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KeepAccountGoingForever
Posted - 2008.12.15 21:47:00 - [1]
 

Can someone explain how ore radius translates into units of ore?

Copying Machine
Posted - 2008.12.15 22:40:00 - [2]
 

I have no idea what "ore radius" is, but if you mean "ore volume", then every ore has its own translation ration. But you don't need to translate ore volume into units, really. The mining laser is calibrated in volume per cycle, so just translate volume into isks directly.

Stozy
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.15 22:53:00 - [3]
 

The bigger the radius, the more ore the astroid has.

KeepAccountGoingForever
Posted - 2008.12.15 23:50:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: KeepAccountGoingForever on 15/12/2008 23:51:12
Originally by: Stozy
The bigger the radius, the more ore the astroid has.


But whats the formula for radius -> ore yeilded?

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Mr Xofar
Plus One Noob
Posted - 2008.12.16 02:40:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: KeepAccountGoingForever
Edited by: KeepAccountGoingForever on 15/12/2008 23:51:12
Originally by: Stozy
The bigger the radius, the more ore the astroid has.


But whats the formula for radius -> ore yeilded?

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I've been looking for that formula for years, and honestly, I don't think there is a straight forward, radiusX = Yunitsofore formula. You can only get within "close" approximation, and then even that isn't always reliable.

At one time I created a lookup table of radius' and units of scanned pyrox. I couldn't get a significant consistency to come up with a forumla reliable enough to say for sure how much ore was in the roid.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.12.16 09:06:00 - [6]
 

You know you can use a survey scanner to see how much ore is in an asteroid right? If you just want to know out of curiosity, that's cool, but I'm afraid I can't help you there.

PuRuSkA
Posted - 2008.12.16 11:57:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: PuRuSkA on 16/12/2008 11:58:05
seem to me if a radius is near 90.0m³ it is very few amount of unit not to say 0 :)
i don't know if that change ore to ore, but the best you could do is observe with a survey scanner note radius and unit amount and make out some graphic/chart :)

oh and do this monday or friday after dt so the roid would actualy not missing unit :)

Commander Aeris
Caldari
Galactic Trade Guild
Posted - 2008.12.16 12:13:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: PuRuSkA
Edited by: PuRuSkA on 16/12/2008 11:58:05
seem to me if a radius is near 90.0m³ it is very few amount of unit not to say 0 :)
i don't know if that change ore to ore, but the best you could do is observe with a survey scanner note radius and unit amount and make out some graphic/chart :)

oh and do this monday or friday after dt so the roid would actualy not missing unit :)


Dont want to sound harsh...but radius is the line extending from the centre of a circle (or other object) to the outer edge



Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
Posted - 2008.12.16 14:51:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Blazing Fire on 16/12/2008 14:57:46
Originally by: Commander Aeris

Originally by: PuRuSkA
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Dont want to sound harsh...but radius is the line extending from the centre of a circle (or other object) to the outer edge





You do know that the radius of an asteroid decreases while you mine it, right?

The OP wants to check the amount of ore in the roid without using the survey scanner just by looking at the roid's radius.

For sure the different roids have different amounts as they have different initial sizes.

If anyone knows the formula let me know, I look for it also.

EDIT:
Well not exactly the radius. It remains the same no metter how much ore is in it. There is also a "Size" column in the overview which is different for the roids of same type. People were using it to estimte what is left in the roid. Lately this value don't change also. At least for me.

So the only option for now is the survey scanner.



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KeepAccountGoingForever
Posted - 2008.12.17 03:33:00 - [10]
 

So we're saying Radius -> Ore Content is impossible to say?:p

Mr Xofar
Plus One Noob
Posted - 2008.12.17 05:07:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: KeepAccountGoingForever
So we're saying Radius -> Ore Content is impossible to say?:p
Correct. Use a scanner. And the radius does not change, it remains the same even if you stop and restart the laser.

I suppose that will change in some update, one day, in the distant future...very distant; when they introduce roid mining effects on the roid itself,...maybe. Meh, don't count on it.

PuRuSkA
Posted - 2008.12.20 05:55:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: PuRuSkA on 20/12/2008 12:45:00
Edited by: PuRuSkA on 20/12/2008 05:56:25
Originally by: Commander Aeris
Originally by: PuRuSkA
Edited by: PuRuSkA on 16/12/2008 11:58:05
seem to me if a radius is near 90.0m³ it is very few amount of unit not to say 0 :)
i don't know if that change ore to ore, but the best you could do is observe with a survey scanner note radius and unit amount and make out some graphic/chart :)

oh and do this monday or friday after dt so the roid would actualy not missing unit :)


Dont want to sound harsh...but radius is the line extending from the centre of a circle (or other object) to the outer edge





you don't sound harsh just noob :)
acording to the REAL formula of sphere radius a vedlspar ore of 100m radius would have
4/3(3.14*radius³) = 4 186 667 m³ of ore which mean at 0.10m³ for each unit 40 milions unit, and we all know that is not true

true observation of roid is the only way to know and i tell you i never saw an ore radius under 90.0 and when it is close to 90.0 it is very small roid with not much unit

and yeah the radius of a roid don't update before downtime and maybe not before the next respawn not sure if it does each down time

Wink

G'kek
Posted - 2008.12.20 17:27:00 - [13]
 

I'd be quite interested in this myself. I've squeezed a MLU onto my retriver and as a result I can't actually fit a survey scanner on my ship. :-p

ingenting
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.12.21 07:36:00 - [14]
 

There is no way to get the ore amount from the radius.

For example you have a big roid of veldspar, say 100k units, and you mine until it's only a few K left, it's still the same radius, IIRC (at work so cant say for sure).

Xavier Iblis
Posted - 2008.12.21 18:42:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: PuRuSkA
Edited by: PuRuSkA on 20/12/2008 12:45:00
Edited by: PuRuSkA on 20/12/2008 05:56:25
Originally by: Commander Aeris
Originally by: PuRuSkA
Edited by: PuRuSkA on 16/12/2008 11:58:05
seem to me if a radius is near 90.0m³ it is very few amount of unit not to say 0 :)
i don't know if that change ore to ore, but the best you could do is observe with a survey scanner note radius and unit amount and make out some graphic/chart :)

oh and do this monday or friday after dt so the roid would actualy not missing unit :)


Dont want to sound harsh...but radius is the line extending from the centre of a circle (or other object) to the outer edge





you don't sound harsh just noob :)
acording to the REAL formula of sphere radius a vedlspar ore of 100m radius would have
4/3(3.14*radius³) = 4 186 667 m³ of ore which mean at 0.10m³ for each unit 40 milions unit, and we all know that is not true

true observation of roid is the only way to know and i tell you i never saw an ore radius under 90.0 and when it is close to 90.0 it is very small roid with not much unit

and yeah the radius of a roid don't update before downtime and maybe not before the next respawn not sure if it does each down time

Wink



<nerd>

You're assuming that the Asteroid is completely Veldspar (or other ore). Much more likely that it's a heterogeneous mixture of Veldspar and other unusable rock/metals and that the mining lasers are designed to target the veins of Veldspar in the otherwise unusable rock. So from that 4.186 x 10^6 m^3, maybe only 200,000 is actually Veldspar. Hence why we here "Asteroid Depleted" and it being a "Shattered hulk" than "Asteroid Consumed"... Then again, the Asteroid does disappear when you're done.

</nerd>

Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.12.22 13:02:00 - [16]
 

Radius is like the information you get when you look at a planet: it doesn't mean a thing.


foobarx
Posted - 2008.12.22 18:10:00 - [17]
 

You do know that the radius of an asteroid decreases while you mine it, right?

This is wrong. The size of the asteroid never changes as a result of mining. That's supposed to change at some point, but it hasn't yet.


 

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