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Adalore Peltier |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:09:00 - [ 1]
Yes, I know the whole premise of space-flight in EVE is the concept of us capsulers; suspended in fluid, tubes up our nose (and god knows where else), and sealed in an egg-shaped pod. Am I the only one who wishes that this was an OPTION for pilots, and not the requirement of all? I'm going to be honest, instead of the whole tube-up-your-nose-suspended-in-fluid-thing, I'd rather be strapped into a cockpit, controls in hand, or a panel of flashing buttons under finger. I'll bet some people even like to imagine they actually have a crew on board. Why not let the EVE mythos support many different types of pilots? Some go full out for the person-in-a-pod experience. Others maybe use a semi-link system, where sensory electrodes and wires are placed at a few choice areas, and perhaps a VR-style helmet and gloves are worn. Some of us might just pilot our frigates the old-fashioned way, strapped into a cockpit with control stick in hand. Others might have a crew aboard their pirate ship, or be the lone man aboard their mining barge who uses drones to help operate the slow hulk of a ship. Just some thoughts. Those scenes of the upcoming "Walking in Station" feature where the guy slides out of a slimey pod and coughs up green liquid and looks like death really made me want to instead sit back in a captain's chair, sip some warm coffee, and finger my velour uniform. Or am I the only person who'd rather NOT have tubes up his nose?  |
ZinderX500
Caldari
Very Predictable Feedback
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:13:00 - [ 2]
You also know that we have some tubes in our a$$ too, right ?  |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:14:00 - [ 3]
Well, let's ask it like this;
When you die, would you be willing to die for good too? No second try, do not pass and go, go straight to oblivion? |
Terraform
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:15:00 - [ 4]
you are aware that if that was the case you'd have trouble seeing behind you, making you a nice ambush victim.
You'd also have trouble controlling the ship on your own, you wouldn't know the exact health of your ship, and your reaction-time versus your enemy would be very very slow.
The pod does come with slight yucky stuff, but ooo the advantages are way greater.
Oh did i mention that if you weren't in your pod you'd get auto-podded everytime your ship was destroyed.
Think about it...
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah
Celestial Imperative |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:15:00 - [ 5]
Uhm...ya know, pods are state of the art tech in the EvE Universe.I mean i dont think that a pilot in any airforce in the world would say "Hey dudes, I am tired with those jets, Id rather fly a biplane,it fits my personality better" |
ZinderX500
Caldari
Very Predictable Feedback
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:18:00 - [ 6]
 Originally by: Yelan Zhou
Uhm...ya know, pods are state of the art tech in the EvE Universe.I mean i dont think that a pilot in any airforce in the world would say "Hey dudes, I am tired with those jets, Id rather fly a biplane,it fits my personality better"
Most likely it would be like this : " Hey dudes, i am tired of this ****ing suit and the oxygen mask. Also, who needs the damn HUD ? I want hardcore mode. " POP |
Yelan Zhou
Amarr
Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah
Celestial Imperative |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:19:00 - [ 7]
Real Astronauts hold their breath in space anyway.Helmets are for girls. |
ZinderX500
Caldari
Very Predictable Feedback
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:20:00 - [ 8]
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Adalore Peltier |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:24:00 - [ 9]
Well, fair enough. Although it would be easy to imagine alternative methods which provide the same results. A console chair which automatically seals itself and ejects like an escape pod could easily explain a system where those of us who don't want to float in goo could still be in a pod in space, etc. A new technology akin to a headband which serves the same "brain scan" function for using clones could allow those that would rather use manual controls the same clone options. Remember that things like instantly being in a pod and having a clone when you get pod-killed are just concept inventions to explain these aspects of the game with the world. You could easily invent new reasons why someone not in a pod could still control their ship in a similar way, get into an escape pod, and use a clone. But it is already sounding like I am alone on this thought. Heh. Not the first time and not the last. Can we at least be sure to mark the two sets of tubes so we don't get them confused?  |
Karille
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:24:00 - [ 10]
You can be a normal pilot as long as you accept permanent death. The pod contains the machinery to transfer your consciousness to the clone. Kinda needs to be hooked into your brain to do that. |
Terraform
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:26:00 - [ 11]
the problem is, WE CANT MAKE THOSE THINGS!
All the pod technology we have was given to us by Joves!
We're useless.... WAAAHAAA!!!
*runs off* |
Adalore Peltier |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:27:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Karille
You can be a normal pilot as long as you accept permanent death. The pod contains the machinery to transfer your consciousness to the clone. Kinda needs to be hooked into your brain to do that.
Yes. What I was asking is, "Can't we pretend there's another option? An alternative?" Not a mechanical one. Mechanically keep everything the same. I guess I am talking about a purely role-playing option. |
Astro Glyde
Wormhole Rescue Service |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:30:00 - [ 13]
With ambulation, I'm guessing the whole notion of goo-filled-eggs will go to the wayside. Besides, that whole 'Matrix' thing is so old. |
Wayson
Minmatar
Sigma Affiliates
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:32:00 - [ 14]
You're a capsuleer, now and forever. If you wanted to roleplay as a 'normal' pilot then I'm afraid you picked the wrong game; the entire reason that capsuleers are the elite is that they replace all the instrumentation and bridge crew with a single individual. I guess if you wanted to RP it you would have to ignore the basic 'lore' of the game. |
Yelan Zhou
Amarr
Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah
Celestial Imperative |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:32:00 - [ 15]
What next? TIE fighters in EvE? Accept the lore how it is.I am a Roleplayer and I am tired of people who always want to change something to fit their style.
If you want to stand on a bridge and shout "fire" play Star Teck.
This is EvE and you are siting in slimy goo while flying a spaceship.
I guess pod pilots take a shower after docking in a station so no, you are not forced to walk into a corridor while green goo is driping from you. |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:32:00 - [ 16]
There are all kinds of canonized reasons for the capsule, but bear in mind that the whole "pod" canon exists to explain how you can get killed and still come back for more, something most games just sort of gloss over. Still, I always thought it would be nice to have a hybrid of the pod and a command chair. You'd still be plugged into your ship systems, with translucent readouts and camera drone interfaces going directly into your brainpan, but you wouldn't be jammed into a pod until/unless you ship is in imminent danger of destruction.
But in the end, just because it's canon, doesn't mean you have to stick to it. Imagine whatever you like. |
Commander Aeris
Caldari
Galactic Trade Guild |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:36:00 - [ 17]
As for an answer to the crew question...we do have crews on our ships  We are just the super-human pod pilots that control their lives with our decision. Hence the whole Demi-God explanation for WiS rooms following you from station to station. And the upcoming plans for planetary governor stuff, where the pod-pilots own continents  |
CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:36:00 - [ 18]
Moved to " Features & Ideas Discussion" forum. |
Wombania |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:36:00 - [ 19]
Edited by: Wombania on 01/12/2008 08:38:32
Look, it's real simple. I'll go step by step.
There is no New Eden.
There are no pod pilots.
There are no combat spaceships.
You are not in a pod.
You are not flying a spaceship.
You are not in New Eden.
You are sitting in a chair.
You are playing a computer game.
If you want to pretend that your character is in a goo filled pod, pretend that.
If you want to pretend that your character is a tyrannosaurus rex who flies with F-16 style controls, pretend that.
If you want to pretend that when your ship blows up, your pod is really a solid state storage device that contains your tyrannosaur's digitized personality, to be rebuilt in a new tyrannosaur when you get into a new ship? Pretend that.
This is not exactly rocket science here. |
Erdiere
Minmatar
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:38:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Astro Glyde
With ambulation, I'm guessing the whole notion of goo-filled-eggs will go to the wayside. Besides, that whole 'Matrix' thing is so old.
Debunk |
Yelan Zhou
Amarr
Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah
Celestial Imperative |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:39:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Wombania
There is no New Eden
Stop lying. |
YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:39:00 - [ 22]
Edited by: YunFu Yan on 01/12/2008 08:40:33
Spending your dayjob time in a pod is a small price for immortality.
There are far worse prices we pay!
Ever thought of the crews you burned through? Must have been hundreds of thousands for me even if some were "rescued" by looters and salvagers.
Lost about 10k alone in a single incident with a freighter. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:39:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Adalore Peltier
Yes. What I was asking is, "Can't we pretend there's another option? An alternative?" Not a mechanical one. Mechanically keep everything the same. I guess I am talking about a purely role-playing option.
From a pure role-play perspective, you'd die if you got killed outside POD. That's the only reason we get cloned, can clone etc, can wake up in new clone. the POD is the technological pinnacle of cloning pilots. What you're asking, is like asking "could we not have a war going on?", it's part of the story, it's part of the lore, it's how it is. |
Alt MKII
Caldari |
Posted - 2008.12.01 08:49:00 - [ 24]
I am one of the few weird ones that roleplayed a non-capsuleer pilot in my first go at eve. My pod was not exactly an eve pod but just an escape pod. When I was eventually podded, I died and went to biomass.
Three months of pure excitement. I would not recomend it though to a casual player.
When you have the option to be a god why chose something beneath it? |
Neth'Rae
Gallente
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:51:00 - [ 25]
There are no cockpits in eve ships, except for fighters.
Also, frigates are huge..
A rifter is larger than a large aircraft..
There's probably a smaller bridge but there's no cockpit, maybe a seat with a stick somewhere for the navigator..
But since player ships use pod technology the bridges and crew quarters etc has probably been removed..
There are bridges and crews on npc ships though.
Spaceships in EVE are more like real-life Naval Vessels rather than aircrafts.. |
YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.01 08:59:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Neth'Rae
T
But since player ships use pod technology the bridges and crew quarters etc has probably been removed..
There are bridges and crews on npc ships though.
There are crews on everything bigger than a frigate. It's been described and discussed countless times in prime fiction and on the forums. |
Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation |
Posted - 2008.12.01 09:02:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Wombania
If you want to pretend that your character is in a goo filled pod, pretend that.
If you want to pretend that your character is a tyrannosaurus rex who flies with F-16 style controls, pretend that.
If you want to pretend that when your ship blows up, your pod is really a solid state storage device that contains your tyrannosaur's digitized personality, to be rebuilt in a new tyrannosaur when you get into a new ship? Pretend that.
 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.??? |
Typhado3
Minmatar |
Posted - 2008.12.01 09:04:00 - [ 28]
jovians built the pod and jovians like tubes up their noses and ass. them jove are wierd you know. |
Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service |
Posted - 2008.12.01 09:46:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: ZinderX500
You also know that we have some tubes in our a$$ too, right ?
you put tubes in your donkey? also, OP. your idea is old as the hills, and no matter how much we might like first person control. it isnt possible without sharding the servers, and that is never going to happen. im in australia. when i double click in space to make a manual course change, it takes about three seconds for the ship to change directions. that means that if i were first person controlling the ship, everything i did would take three seconds to happen. imagine trying to control an interceptor moving at 7km/s like that. |
Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated |
Posted - 2008.12.01 12:42:00 - [ 30]
There are multiple ways in-pod conditions are described in the fiction. The Jovian Wetgrave had some kind of a mask over the head plus the tubes in the nose for breathing. I assume a full-face mask akin to space suit helmets should be possible. While I think the novel didn't mention that most ships don't come with equipment allowing the pilot to exit the pod while in space, when we do have ships that are over a kilometer long I do think it as ridiculous that they couldn't fit such equipment, so when on a safe location you could assume that your pilot is also able to get out of pod. (I do remember some novella about this, not sure where I read it, EON or the Player Fiction forum. I think it was not one of the chronicles.)
As noted, most ships (but not most player ships) are not pod-piloted. Technically, you can simulate this by biomassing your character after podkill. I won't comment on comparing lag and having to relay commands via your officers instead of giving them neurally directly to ship fire control etc. And yes, with the exception of some frigates, all ships do have crew: This has been extensively debated roughly once every or every second month. (See Hands of the Killer chronicle, for example. It is also mentioned in the novel as well as the Forsaken Ruins short story.)
And yes, with enough wealth to buy a continent or so, I'd assume pod pilots can afford going to a solarium (or even buying a pre-tanned clone). With a "helmet instead of tubes" solution your most orifices would be free of the goo. If you're in the pod for only short periods, you might even wear something akin to a diver's suit comfortably without a system to take care of urine or *****, which would likely be needed for longer journeys in the pod. (Safespot! Commander's bio break!) |
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