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Steve Celeste
Overdogs
Posted - 2008.12.28 15:41:00 - [151]
 

From what i've heard from CCP programming so far, they must have used the names itself as primary key to reference in the database.

So NO, cant be changed Laughing

Technomagez
Gallente
Posted - 2008.12.28 17:22:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: evilphoenix
Originally by: ZinderX500
I agree.

It would also be nice for us to have a chance to also change our names Crying or Very sad


I have a proposal for this:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=930338

And while we're asking to change things, how about changing our race? It is the future, surely a sex change isn't the only thing that science can do for us!


It's the most stupid thing I've ever seen. Real, even modern medicine can't "really" change your gender... and you'll never be able to change your race.... you can't just change a race... through no means...
And in the Eve of world your "Phantastic Racechange" also comes with a free brainwash, so that the races don't fight themselves afterwards, eh? Well, racechange is just... NOT POSSIBLE.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2008.12.28 19:02:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 28/12/2008 19:09:51
Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 28/12/2008 19:06:17
Originally by: Technomagez

It's the most stupid thing I've ever seen. Real, even modern medicine can't "really" change your gender... and you'll never be able to change your race.... you can't just change a race... through no means...
And in the Eve of world your "Phantastic Racechange" also comes with a free brainwash, so that the races don't fight themselves afterwards, eh? Well, racechange is just... NOT POSSIBLE.


Modern medicine can't change your sex, as in all sex charasteristics like chromosomes, but all we have in the game is gender. For all practical purposes, that the game allows, we should be able to do the necessary changes.

Changing your race sounds a bit foolish. I would like to keep the flavour between races and bloodlines if possible and some of the consequenses. Race/Ancestry also has real fuction in the game, like determining your stats, so I'm against changing them.

Edit: typos. I coudn't type properly even if my life depended on it Embarassed

Removal Tool
Unleet Industries LLC
Posted - 2008.12.28 20:27:00 - [154]
 

New ideas:
1)Pre-Op Tranny but hot, like in a Heavy Metal illustration

2)Extremely bad cross-dressing trucker type. You know, a 6'5" dude built like a linebacker with 3 days of beard, deep voice, but in lipstick and a dress.Laughing

3)Leather Pope, enough said.Shocked

DaDutchDude
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.12.28 20:32:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
So what you guys want is a chance to take all your skillpoints and history of a character but move it into another body and maybe change the name too?

I'd say choosing a new body (but keeping the same race, same gender, same bloodline, same name) and keeping all else makes most sense to me. This should also only be a one time deal with a limited end date.
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Would it be acceptable if you could only do this once after WiS is released?

I think it would only make sense then, since you'd be able to see the end result, so it would be an informed choice.
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..., for a fee even?

I think a fee should definitely be put in place: if it takes up CCP time and it only benefits the character wanting the change, those costs should be relayed to that player and not to other EVE players.
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We never wanted to go down this road because itīs immersion breaking, people can hide their history (usually a bad history) and itīs a huge hassle for us because it probably has to be done manually for each avatar.

Well, you'll sort of make a huge paradigm shift by introducing WiS: before, your avatar was hardly relevant because the most you yourself and other people experience of you is the space ship you're flying. To a certain point, the perception could be that you _are_ a spaceship. People respond to what ship you fly, not to what your avatar looks like.

With WiS, you introduce a whole new element to the game: your avatar and its looks actually start to matter a great deal, because they influence other characters behavior in this new environment. Since players from before WiS never had the ability to make an informed choice about this, you should give them an option to make some choices anew.

However, changing gender, name and/or bloodline seems more like regretting a stupid choice and using this change to try persuade you to allow them to rewrite history. And I agree that changes to that extent would indeed break immersion.

Just my 2 cents ...

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.12.28 22:48:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
So what you guys want is a chance to take all your skillpoints and history of a character but move it into another body and maybe change the name too?

Would it be acceptable if you could only do this once after WiS is released, for a fee even?

We never wanted to go down this road because itīs immersion breaking, people can hide their history (usually a bad history) and itīs a huge hassle for us because it probably has to be done manually for each avatar.

On the other hand it seems to be the number 1 request of people desperately wanting to change sexes when WiS hits so itīs something at least Iīll keep in mind.

Canīt promise anything though so donīt get your hopes up.

Doing so would create a dangerous precedent for the future. I think it breaks immersion in EVE, as doing it only one time would create transgendered people that could not be replicated again in a future, leading to whines from newcomers who want to change their gender too.

On the other hand, not bending to requests like this makes people like the OP unhappy, as they don't want to deal with the consequences of their choice made years ago - at the same time, however, to be fair to past and future subscribers, you would have to integrate a sex change feature into the plastic surgery places you were thinking about doing. Honestly, its a bag of worms regardless of what you do, if I were in your shoes I would just bite my lip and say "you know what, we're screwed regardless of what we do, let's just not go into this".

Zyrt
Amarr
Posted - 2008.12.29 01:15:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Steve Celeste
From what i've heard from CCP programming so far, they must have used the names itself as primary key to reference in the database.


They can keep that name, let's call it *original name*, as primary key. Just add a display name and link it to the previous one so people don't get away scamming or something.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.29 02:45:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Technomagez
Originally by: evilphoenix
Originally by: ZinderX500
I agree.

It would also be nice for us to have a chance to also change our names Crying or Very sad


I have a proposal for this:

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=930338

And while we're asking to change things, how about changing our race? It is the future, surely a sex change isn't the only thing that science can do for us!


It's the most stupid thing I've ever seen. Real, even modern medicine can't "really" change your gender... and you'll never be able to change your race.... you can't just change a race... through no means...
And in the Eve of world your "Phantastic Racechange" also comes with a free brainwash, so that the races don't fight themselves afterwards, eh? Well, racechange is just... NOT POSSIBLE.


It's THE FUTURE!!!

Private Piyal
Gallente
Silver Lining Corp
Posted - 2008.12.29 04:13:00 - [159]
 


I chose to play a male character because it is my right to choose, if i want to choose to play female character it is my right to do so. Anyone who discriminate or harrass someone for playing what they want is sexist and go to hell

Iria Ahrens
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.12.29 04:31:00 - [160]
 

About the name change. One game I played that allowed name changes, had a name-change registry, that any player could look at to see any previous names a character went by.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.12.29 05:19:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Technomagez


It's the most stupid thing I've ever seen. Real, even modern medicine can't "really" change your gender... and you'll never be able to change your race.... you can't just change a race... through no means...
And in the Eve of world your "Phantastic Racechange" also comes with a free brainwash, so that the races don't fight themselves afterwards, eh? Well, racechange is just... NOT POSSIBLE.


now roll with me here on this one. While I might or not agree with you take this into consideration.

What about EvE science is "modern"

Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
Posted - 2008.12.29 07:29:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Technomagez


It's the most stupid thing I've ever seen. Real, even modern medicine can't "really" change your gender... and you'll never be able to change your race.... you can't just change a race... through no means...
And in the Eve of world your "Phantastic Racechange" also comes with a free brainwash, so that the races don't fight themselves afterwards, eh? Well, racechange is just... NOT POSSIBLE.


now roll with me here on this one. While I might or not agree with you take this into consideration.

What about EvE science is "modern"


Not to mention, sex changes these days surely can make it 99.9% foolproof that you never owned a willy in your trousers.

Think forward, oh say, 21 THOUSAND years and well, it ain't nothing but a snip and tuck to "upgrade" your clone Laughing

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.29 11:33:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Zyrt
Originally by: Steve Celeste
From what i've heard from CCP programming so far, they must have used the names itself as primary key to reference in the database.


They can keep that name, let's call it *original name*, as primary key. Just add a display name and link it to the previous one so people don't get away scamming or something.

No sane DB developer would have used the name as the primary key.

ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
Posted - 2008.12.29 12:32:00 - [164]
 

good idea for a useless update

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.12.29 14:49:00 - [165]
 

Maybe with the "make your body and remake your face" tools provided with the introduction of WiS the posibility to create a sexually ambiguous character will be present regardless of the base gender.

Personally i say, no change to gender or racial type, this is eve, you make a choice and it stays with your forever or until you biomass and its all over.





Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.12.29 15:35:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Removal Tool
New ideas:
1)Pre-Op Tranny but hot, like in a Heavy Metal illustration

2)Extremely bad cross-dressing trucker type. You know, a 6'5" dude built like a linebacker with 3 days of beard, deep voice, but in lipstick and a dress.Laughing

3)Leather Pope, enough said.Shocked


In favour of first two, do need description of third to decide.


dojocan81
Caminus Trux Germani
Ewoks
Posted - 2008.12.29 16:30:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: dojocan81
ccp, do not allow people to change the gender ... those people should live with it



Why limit it? I can understand if it causes huge problems to implement, but otherwise it should be something you can change. It is not a top priority feature, but it would be a nice thing to have. It wont hide your history in EVE, it can be done with todays technology IRL, it won't limit other players or give you an advantage over them, so why not? It is a major body modification and should be expensive, but still something a demigod, with near endless funds and who creates his own morality should be able to do.


because, if they add this "feature" into eve if WIS hits TQ, everyone and his mom will run with omgsexylatex clothes and huge boobs around ... thats why those people want a gender change ...

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2008.12.29 23:11:00 - [168]
 

I just have to say that you guys crack me up. Some of you have some serious insecurities. Very Happy

Xiao Endo
Caldari
Strix Armaments and Defence
Posted - 2008.12.30 03:15:00 - [169]
 

Being able to make changes like this are against everything that EVE stands for, as an immersive roleplay game. I am incredibly dissapointed that CCP Eris is even considering the OPs suggestion for a tenth of a nanosecond. Hopefully she's really just politely giving the idea the brush-off in a "don't call us, we'll call you" kind of way.

The system that we have now for it is fine. You can change gender easily in EVE by starting a new character. If you don't mind ditching your old character's skillpoints, you can even keep your name. How cool is that?

noc D
Posted - 2008.12.30 04:51:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: noc D on 30/12/2008 04:52:34



i never understund that guys who prefere women characters in game. prolly lack of emphaty. now feel the pain with walk in station. i'll watch your pretty a** while drinking my quafee. and be sure i dont care who are sitting front of the computer.




noc D
Posted - 2008.12.30 05:09:00 - [171]
 

Edited by: noc D on 30/12/2008 05:09:41


+ loving to see who want to change sex



Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
Posted - 2008.12.30 06:27:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: noc D
+ loving to see who want to change sex


*coughs*

What?! Very Happy

It's NOT perverted. It's not! Crying or Very sad

Jesslyn Daggererux
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2008.12.30 06:53:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
So what you guys want is a chance to take all your skillpoints and history of a character but move it into another body and maybe change the name too?

Would it be acceptable if you could only do this once after WiS is released, for a fee even?

We never wanted to go down this road because itīs immersion breaking, people can hide their history (usually a bad history) and itīs a huge hassle for us because it probably has to be done manually for each avatar.

On the other hand it seems to be the number 1 request of people desperately wanting to change sexes when WiS hits so itīs something at least Iīll keep in mind.

Canīt promise anything though so donīt get your hopes up.


Its unfortunate that CCP might accomodate this. If you guys do this, make sure its not the $10.00 portrait change fee. A change like this should bite, and bite hard. Minimum $75-100.


100 euros or dollars? i could get a REAL sex change for 100 euros in some countries.

Taradis
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2008.12.30 09:10:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Rheum Rhabarbarium
Male voice and female character might be an issue for some players, considering eve voice is (supposedly) going to be a big part of ambulation.

Other than that, I see no real problems.



you could always do a bad female voice impression

Taradis
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2008.12.30 09:12:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 25/11/2008 14:22:23
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
So what you guys want is a chance to take all your skillpoints and history of a character but move it into another body and maybe change the name too?

Would it be acceptable if you could only do this once after WiS is released, for a fee even?

We never wanted to go down this road because itīs immersion breaking, people can hide their history (usually a bad history) and itīs a huge hassle for us because it probably has to be done manually for each avatar.

On the other hand it seems to be the number 1 request of people desperately wanting to change sexes when WiS hits so itīs something at least Iīll keep in mind.

Canīt promise anything though so donīt get your hopes up.


Obviously I can't speak for everyone here, but I'll enjoy recreating my female character (being male myself) and will accept her treatment as a result.
My corpies know who and what I am, which atleast to me, is the most important.
All my Avatar is, is a way of interacting with the game, she happens to be female. No big deal in my opinion. If I end up getting chatted up by a lot by hopeful blokes looking to score then they're in for a shock. Laughing That's basically just PvP in another form.Very Happy




rofl Laughing

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2008.12.30 09:40:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Benco97 on 30/12/2008 09:41:18
Originally by: Xiao Endo
Being able to make changes like this are against everything that EVE stands for, as an immersive roleplay game.


I fail to see how it breaks immersion, It's just another RP aspect.
Surely at least in Gallente space this would be a known procedure.
You'd still be the same character with the same background, employment history and everything else you'd simply be a different sex. It is in NO way immersion breaking considering how much more advanced EVE society is compared to ours and that in real life people opt for sex change operations.

Admittedly it's pointless, it doesn't really effect anything and it could be very difficult to implement, it could also be a mature subject which CCP simply don't want to introduce into their game and that's perfectly understandable but IMMERSION breaking? You're having a laugh.

edit- My point being, It shouldn't just be a magical instant sexchange, it should be recorded that you've had it done and then it's a roleplay issue.

Trader20
Posted - 2008.12.30 09:45:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
your caldari , beautiful and caldari never mix i mean look at the raven :P

Umm wat about the domi, sorry but raven over domi (in looks) in pvp I gotta go wit the domi.

Rusalke
Caldari
Darkless Industries
Posted - 2008.12.30 10:16:00 - [178]
 

Edited by: Rusalke on 30/12/2008 10:32:09
Originally by: Steve Celeste
From what i've heard from CCP programming so far, they must have used the names itself as primary key to reference in the database.

So NO, cant be changed Laughing


Names should never be used as primary keys, thought makes me shudder if they did.

CCP can change names very fast, I seen someone with a possible offensive name get renamed. Then he asked the game master to rename his char again to his new name choise and they did.

So for a renaming service all they have to do is add a pretty web interface to it and charge a fee.

But what would be good to have programmed is a name history window, like your employment window.

A sex change is just as easy to program, as sex has no link in game mechanics at all, its just a cosmetic feature of the client display.

Corp renaming well that might be more complex but again its probable just a cosmetic field.


quoren strife
Gallente
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
Posted - 2008.12.30 15:43:00 - [179]
 

Hell, after 2.5 years playing this game, I've gotten a bit used to this ugly mug, but it will be interesting to see how much of a crackhead i can turn him in to when he has legs Very Happy

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2008.12.30 15:50:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
So what you guys want is a chance to take all your skillpoints and history of a character but move it into another body and maybe change the name too?

Would it be acceptable if you could only do this once after WiS is released, for a fee even?

We never wanted to go down this road because itīs immersion breaking, people can hide their history (usually a bad history) and itīs a huge hassle for us because it probably has to be done manually for each avatar.

On the other hand it seems to be the number 1 request of people desperately wanting to change sexes when WiS hits so itīs something at least Iīll keep in mind.

Canīt promise anything though so donīt get your hopes up.


I'll keep my blue smurf toon but if I could change my name, I'd be a very happy panda.


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