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Topic |
super hornet
Caldari
Corporation 58
Fat Kids Cause Lag |
Posted - 2008.11.23 11:12:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: super hornet on 23/11/2008 11:25:31
Edited by: super hornet on 23/11/2008 11:24:23
i am wondering if macro mining is worse or not as bad as selling isk.
i mean i was just cruising through a few ice belts and saw 50 potential ice macro miners.
i was reading this thread the other day about the amounts of isk these macro miners make in a week-month it was ridiculous tbh, and the people that but the ice are squeaky clean yet if you buy isk you get repremanded and the guys that are really making the effort to play eve and make some isk from ice mining are seriously forced to sell for a much reduced price.
i know i am probably gonna get some people saying "thats life" and game bodies say "we try to make the game as much like a civilised community as possible"
but even in RL we have black markets people stealing and selling and also Police men who punish both sides of the chopping block.
just need to get peoples views on this.
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The7SensE
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.11.23 11:13:00 - [ 2]
w t f ? |
PhantomMajor
Minmatar |
Posted - 2008.11.23 12:13:00 - [ 3]
Edited by: PhantomMajor on 23/11/2008 12:13:41
Edited by: PhantomMajor on 23/11/2008 12:13:17
well CCP are pro macro and enjoy having these people, as there are so many of them. in the past it was possible to deal with some of these with suicide ganks or stealing of their ice from cans but thanks to CCP's latest patches suiciding them is no longer a viable option.
also the additional protection that CCP provides in the way of noob corp status means they can not be war decked so the are totally immune to the game mechanics. much has been written on this topic with distant promises by CCP to do something but nothing ever comes to pass.
the simplest solution would be to place a time limit on someone being in a noob corp. a 1 month time limit with a non returnable option. afterall it is very easy to make your own corp with a few clicks of a mouse so there is no need for people to stay in noob corps for months or even years.
if CCP can use updates in patches to trace where people bought there isk then the same software can be used to keep a log on people who play eve 23/7 for 365 days a year. there are also numerous software options out there that can block macro programs and i have seen this in operation in such online games as Vietcong. |
RedSplat |
Posted - 2008.11.23 12:23:00 - [ 4]
Macro's = more money for CCP. Dont expect to see anything changed to make it inhospitable for them as it would impact on the legitimate miners as well. |
Strak Yogorn
Amarr
Mind Warpers |
Posted - 2008.11.23 13:03:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: RedSplat
Macro's = more money for CCP. Dont expect to see anything changed to make it inhospitable for them as it would impact on the legitimate miners as well.
no it wouldnt, all ccp has to do is log the accounts being online 23/7 and ban them for account sharing. shouldnt be hard to do, but it seems they would rather keep them ingame ... |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2008.11.23 14:29:00 - [ 6]
TBH if the GTC prices remain this high, I see no reason why anyone would buy ISK...  |
Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari
The Flaming Sideburn's
Art of War Alliance |
Posted - 2008.11.23 16:24:00 - [ 7]
someone mentioned that CCP has plans to "hide" the belts so miners have to scan them down in the future,
dont think it will have a big effect on the macros but i do belive the minerals prices will rise and give "belt" piracy a boost.
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Seragon
Caldari
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Initiative Mercenaries |
Posted - 2008.11.23 18:28:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: super hornet
i was reading this thread the other day about the amounts of isk these macro miners make in a week-month it was ridiculous tbh,
Just to clarify the ridiculous amount of isk these guys make, it's 6, maybe 7 mil an hour with a good booster and someone else hauling. Realistically it's more like 4 or 5. Individually that's a whole lot of nothing. The problem is when you've got a buttload of them out there. Perhaps what CCP needs to do is put in a rat spawn system that escalates the rats based on the number of ships in a belt. The high sec ice macros work because ice is infinite and the rats are pathetic and tanked with your eyes closed. One of those two things needs to be fixed. |
The7SensE
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.11.24 02:44:00 - [ 9]
Both of them are good and both of them are bad. Depends on what side of the fence you're on. For example, if I'm working all day long and I want to enjoy eve when I come home in the evening, I might be tempted to buy ISK (in any form, including GTCs) so I can buy whatever ship I want and fit it however I want to. The other example would be I'm looking for good prices for ore. Trust me, prices would skyrocket if there were no macro-miners. It all depends on your point of view. I don't care about what other people do with their time and/or account(s), I just want to enjoy my EVE experience the way I see fit. PS: besides me stating "i don't give a ****", you will get posts from farmers stating "it's none of your friggin` business" or from people who got their business cramped by farmers stating "down with the farmers, they ruin our experience". I expect tons of crap to hit my fan  |
Killa Rich |
Posted - 2008.11.24 14:21:00 - [ 10]
I am not a fan of macro miners and isk buying. It feels like cheating to me.
But on the other hand, if you get rid of them the prices of ore and ice products will skyrockets and a lot of POSses will be have to shut down. That will skyrocket the T2 prices etc etc.
So it is really a double edged sword
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Skylar Vodkabar |
Posted - 2008.11.24 15:01:00 - [ 11]
Motivated by profits indeed. If a macro miner pays CCP, they are off the hook. |
Valentcia
Amarr |
Posted - 2008.11.24 15:47:00 - [ 12]
low prices are good. people getting rich for doing nothing? ...**** like that happens in real life -_- people who actually do the hard work often miss-out... the world we live in |
VoiceInTheDesert
Inroads
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Posted - 2008.11.24 16:34:00 - [ 13]
Put all ice belts in low sec.
Problem solved. |
Daoi Sith |
Posted - 2008.11.24 16:56:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: PhantomMajor
Edited by: PhantomMajor on 23/11/2008 12:13:41
Edited by: PhantomMajor on 23/11/2008 12:13:17
the simplest solution would be to place a time limit on someone being in a noob corp. a 1 month time limit with a non returnable option. afterall it is very easy to make your own corp with a few clicks of a mouse so there is no need for people to stay in noob corps for months or even years.
this idea is so idiotic I dont know where to begin would the system automatically make up a corp name for them and pay the fee if the wallet is empty ? how about the skill requirements for being a ceo ? what if they havent trained them ? why do you feel the need to wardec miners who you have no proof of being a macro ? easy kills ? are they really impacting YOUR game that much ? read my lips "no new taxes" ... oh wait sorry wrong speech. "there is no way for CCP to know if a user is using a macro" mining is so braindead that a "real" miner and a macro look identical and some players actually enjoy (yuk) mining and nothing more. hence the reason nothing has been done why shouldnt they have a npc corp they can stay in ? this isnt YOUR game, its all of ours. |
Little Fistter
Caldari
Ordo Rosa Crux Templaris
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Posted - 2008.11.24 19:36:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: PhantomMajor
well CCP are pro macro and enjoy having these people, as there are so many of them. in the past it was possible to deal with some of these with suicide ganks or stealing of their ice from cans but thanks to CCP's latest patches suiciding them is no longer a viable option.
Why is suiciding them not an option? I would gladly throw away a Kestrel to burn a macro miner. You mean we can't???WTF is CCP thinking? Oh yeah, macro miners are paying customers...  |
Daemien Murdoc |
Posted - 2008.11.24 23:13:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Put all ice belts in low sec.
Problem solved.
Now that would be interesting... But it will never happen... It is the ice mining macros which make the Eve-Online possible. If you think thats load of crap, the you are either stupid or naive, mostlikely both... Do people have any idea how many POSes there are deployed, consuming ice products 24/7? Or capital ships consuming isotopes at every jump? It is the veteran players and large 0.0 alliances who have the need most need for the ice products. And majority of the ice products come from the ice macros. If those are put out of business, then ice product prices skyrocket. There would probably be shortages of them. No ice -> less POSes and capitals -> veteran players and large alliances starts to complain. If ice prices go up then more people start mining ice instead of ores. Less ore miners -> less minerals -> all prices would go up... This is why CCP lets macros do their work. I dont think CCP allows macros because of those accounts. |
Djan Anaplian
Gallente
Fermionic Hydroponic
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Posted - 2008.11.24 23:23:00 - [ 17]
With all the other problems eve has at the moment, this is hardly worth even discussing. |
Sang Jin
Gallente
Heretic Army
B A N E |
Posted - 2008.11.25 02:44:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Put all ice belts in low sec.
Problem solved.
QFT |
Rivur'Tam |
Posted - 2008.11.25 11:14:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Sang Jin
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Put all ice belts in low sec.
Problem solved.
QFT
^^this But really the farmers pay the subs And if you look at it ccp sell isk via time cards thats why they ****ed because they losing money to the farmers. I don't care much i don't mine and i only use gtcs for my accts but i have 5 so i buy them and like the option there, as for buying isk no chance i'm gonna let my credit card details anywhere near then scamming isk farmers. |
Marchocias |
Posted - 2008.11.25 13:48:00 - [ 20]
Why not:
A)
Put a month or two time limit on new characters. After this time they can stay in the NPC corp, but they're suddenly subjected to a 95% tax rate, and are restricted from using the various modules used by the macro miners.
B)
Move the ice belts out of hi sec (and indeed even more of the more valuable ores)
However, this will result in the inevitable price rises on ores. So you could deal with that by one of two options:
1) (probably best as a temporary measure)
Introduce NPC mining corporations which can supply the minerals and keep prices down. Every downtime, the prices and volumes available need to be adjusted, possibly to slightly higher than the mean price for the previous 24 hours.
2) (a better long term solution)
Make mining quicker. Decrease the volume required by ore, and increase the rate at which it enters your cargo hold. Miners should now be able to turn a decent profit, but the supply will hopefully not dwindle.
Just my two cents. |
Merak Thrawn |
Posted - 2008.11.26 04:03:00 - [ 21]
If CCP only cared about macros, they'd have a small group of GM's dedicated to macro petitions and hunting them down and banning them. But after seeing 30+ obvious macro's and petitioning every last one without anything happen except getting the standard useless GM reply ..."We will investigate and take the the appropriate action". Which apparently is COMPLETELY ignoring macro petitions  Makes you wonder just how many macro accounts there are, since it apparently pays off financially for CCP to ignore macros. |
Hard Facts |
Posted - 2008.11.26 09:47:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Daoi Sith
this idea is so idiotic I dont know where to begin
would the system automatically make up a corp name for them and pay the fee if the wallet is empty ?
how about the skill requirements for being a ceo ? what if they havent trained them ?
Well this is not as hard as you think, pushing them into a corp after a period of time is not a bad idea. now if CCP implemented a change like that they whold most likely find a way for having a 0.- inpact on the wallet of the person(s) that was moved. as for the skill, last time i looked you didnt need any skill to be a CEO, only need it if you want to create a corp and/or have other people join that corp. ;) Originally by: Daoi Sith
why do you feel the need to wardec miners who you have no proof of being a macro ? easy kills ? are they really impacting YOUR game that much ?
read my lips "no new taxes" ... oh wait sorry wrong speech.
"there is no way for CCP to know if a user is using a macro"
mining is so braindead that a "real" miner and a macro look identical
and some players actually enjoy (yuk) mining and nothing more.
I dont think you have never seen a macro, hell even know what a macro is.. and no there are no 100% way to tell if someone is useing a macro.. (tho most of the people i suspect can be timed doing the same thing all day... but hey they must be controlled by god, or a robot) yes there are people that enjoy mining while doing other things, and they should be allowed to do so. But a Macro runs non stop 23 hours, 7 days per weeks on end, if a normal person with a real life can stand mining for that long non stop, he/she should see a doctor asap. the other side of the coin is that they are shearing accounts (Against the EULA). both cases (macroing, account shareing) in my oppinion shuld be met with a perma Ban. Originally by: Daoi Sith
hence the reason nothing has been done
why shouldnt they have a npc corp they can stay in ? this isnt YOUR game, its all of ours.
I and many of my friends have lost much in the form of game style lately. tho some have Quited eve for good, some of us have turned to other things that going after macro miners. and are we not entiled to say our oppinion on what we want to see chaged ?  |
MongWen
Xeno Tech Corp
Self Destruct. |
Posted - 2008.11.26 09:49:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Little Fistter
Why is suiciding them not an option? I would gladly throw away a Kestrel to burn a macro miner. You mean we can't???
WTF is CCP thinking? Oh yeah, macro miners are paying customers...
Well you can try, tho i doubt you will get thru the sheilds before concord spanks ya.. but PhantomMajor's aiming at that the sec hit + the no payback, is the main reason suicide runs are no longer a viable option. |
Rachel Voegel
San Matar Trucking Company
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Posted - 2008.11.26 13:45:00 - [ 24]
Agreed that macro miners should be banned from the game. If mineral prices went up, more people would bother to mine, prices go down, etc.
Regarding the "no npc corps" idea, where would you go if you wanted to leave your player corp but have not found a new one yet? |
RedSplat |
Posted - 2008.11.26 14:09:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Rachel Voegel
Agreed that macro miners should be banned from the game. If mineral prices went up, more people would bother to mine, prices go down, etc.
Regarding the "no npc corps" idea, where would you go if you wanted to leave your player corp but have not found a new one yet?
Unaffiliated. Not war'decable but you should have something like an increased tax rate or penalty on transactions to make being unaffiliated unprofitable to prevent abuse. Unfair? No. Player corps would spring up overnight that would accept anyone no questions asked; not that they dont already exist. |
Rachel Voegel
San Matar Trucking Company
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Posted - 2008.11.26 16:37:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: RedSplat
Unaffiliated. Not war'decable but you should have something like an increased tax rate or penalty on transactions to make being unaffiliated unprofitable to prevent abuse.
That could be implemented in the existing NPC corps. |
ArcDragon
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr |
Posted - 2008.11.26 21:39:00 - [ 27]
Found this on the topic:
http://www.eve-mag.com/archives/893#comment-473 |
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