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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations |
Posted - 2008.11.20 12:56:00 - [ 91]
Let's keep us this high quality thread alive. |
Rin Kaeda
Gallente
Social Outcast's
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Posted - 2008.11.20 13:45:00 - [ 92]
 Originally by: Plave Okice
Originally by: Ruri Dant
not to talk about the Pilgrim which was and is a piece of flying junk.
I got this far before realising you have no idea what you're talking about, then didn't bother to read any further.
Indeed, I didn't get any further. |
Ruri Dant
The Riot Act |
Posted - 2008.11.20 14:22:00 - [ 93]
Originally by: Rin Kaeda
Originally by: Plave Okice
Originally by: Ruri Dant
not to talk about the Pilgrim which was and is a piece of flying junk.
I got this far before realising you have no idea what you're talking about, then didn't bother to read any further.
Indeed, I didn't get any further.
LOL LOL, a pilot that comes up to me and says, the pilgrim is a good ship MUST be a complete fool (not to say worse). There is NO situation where the pilgrim is superior to the Curse, none. It has no range bonus on the neuts, needs recon at 5 for fitting it properly with the correct cloack (wich now has a 30 secs recalibration time), and most importantly whereas the Curse has a slim but present possibility of engaging 1 vs 1 turret ships the Pilgrim is worthless on it's own. And if you in a gang you gonna go for Curse anyway, lol. try get your shortsucking pilgrim in a nanogang, at least the curse can stay at range, suck cap, throw drones, AND not be in 12 km from a badass BS (who might have neuts) Go to some pvp school for kids, special kids. See you miss the point i'd like the pilgrim to be an effective ship to use, specially for the warp cloacked thingy, but it simply aint. ---- Siebenthal your corp (2 man as in balls go in pairs) has wardecked us, hope you noticed it's mutual, come see us or was it just because u wanted to show me you fail at Eve? |
ShadowMaiden
Amarr
Atrocity. |
Posted - 2008.11.20 14:43:00 - [ 94]
Originally by: Ruri Dant
* delete as applicable
Hello, I'm random EvE nobody #27845. Most of you have will have never seen me in game or on this forum. A few of you know me from [insert link for this weeks drama filled post] where I was in a rather heated online argument about [insert subject of sh*t no-one cares about]. I have to say I'm disappointed in the EvE community. I won't name names in this post even though the entire community knows who I'm talking about. That way I can always point to my post saying, "I NEVER SAID YOUR NAME!" This gives me the moral high ground. I didn't like the way that you did that thing you did, and the [killmail links/mocking posts*] about me hurt my feelings. Yes, I realize there are different opinions in a community this size but I'll let the comments of a few nasty bitter posters/actions of people in-game colour my whole perception of this place. So I'm leaving forever. Forever ever? And ever ever? Yes. Although I will still answer all the comments people leave me and I'll reappear if my name is mentioned. But after that, I'm TOTALLY gone.
Now I'll write about all the cool things I used to like about this community/game and talk about how it has changed for the worse. But I don't realize that by knocking the community, I'm basically insulting everyone who chooses to stay even if they weren't involved in [insert link for this weeks drama filled post]. I make people feel like they have to justify why they'd remain in such an evil community. After all, if I'm leaving, it has to be horrible. I’ll make some general negative comments about the entire community, once again making us into a mono-faceted group of people just because we have one thing in common. Not like me, however because I'm different. I see the dark undercurrent beneath the EvE community. Obviously, EvE is serious business to me, because when I click the link titled, "delete account" it doesn’t make me write this post. No, I want to leave with a BANG! I want to appear righteous. But here is the part I don't understand, even if I'm polite and have several valid points, no one will care because a goodbye post is just rude internet etiquette. So by being rude, I'm just as bad as the people I'm angry at. But keep a look out for me in the future! Because almost everyone who has written a goodbye post continues to lurk and eventually comes back a few months later, hoping the community has forgotten.
Now I will prepare to be baffled by the immensely negative response my post gets.
Signed, EvE nobody #27845
Fixed. |
Pax Scindus
Gallente
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club
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Posted - 2008.11.20 15:02:00 - [ 95]
First, Maiden, youre my new hero of the boards.
Secondly, This reminds me of every person ever, who has written a suicide letter.
ITS FOR ATTENTION.
I dont WANT your stuff.. anyone this moronic cant have anything of value.
Its like 65% of this forums signatures say... adapt or die.
In closing,
Dont let the proverbial door hit you on the ass on your way out.
-Pax |
Pax Scindus
Gallente
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club
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Posted - 2008.11.20 15:04:00 - [ 96]
Ah, yes... and a big **** you from the remaining EVE community. |
Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.11.20 15:41:00 - [ 97]
Originally by: Pax Scindus
****poasting
And here's a big **** you from the part of EVE community which has a higher IQ then room temperature  |
Pax Scindus
Gallente
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club
|
Posted - 2008.11.20 15:56:00 - [ 98]
Insulting my intelligence?
Well done, sir. You surely have forged a new medium in the art of e-flaming.
*Sigh* |
Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
|
Posted - 2008.11.20 17:18:00 - [ 99]
Rapier useless? How? Drakes already were nearly unbeatable 1v1 when fitted right. Really, they tank about 850 DPS with rigs and the right setup. Maybe shield tanking without extenders? You do realize that passive buffer isn't the only way to go right? AF boost for the win. Nuff said. If it needs more signature, get a Rapier to web and triple paint it. I have a feeling my Zealot, Curse that I'm getting soon, Sacrilege, and others are still able to easily beat a Rifter. Seeing as I nearly made piecemeal out of a Zealot with a Geddon, and shredded a crow with t1 light drones and ****ty drone skills, I'm not worried. Hell my Sentinel should make short work of a t1 frigate. While I do see how solo PvP went semi-poof, I never liked solo PvP because 90% of the time (I said 90%, sometimes it's different) the fight is decided before it beings. You also provide no explanation as to how the game now pushes for a bunch of t1 BS (which it already did last time I checked... I see a lot of t1 BS used) with t1 support (which might I add was NERFED with this because they have low survivability and can't do the same speedtanking they did before) Just fit a friggin painter. Or fly Amarr ships  And of course the "CCP ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN MONEY WAHHH!!!" argument. Just give it a rest. Players already were effective in only a few months, they just have to know what they're doing, which they still do. And of course. Can I have your stuff? |
Te Sdrumo
Onorata Societa |
Posted - 2008.11.20 19:02:00 - [ 100]
Originally by: Verx Interis
Rapier useless? How?
Drakes already were nearly unbeatable 1v1 when fitted right. Really, they tank about 850 DPS with rigs and the right setup.
Maybe shield tanking without extenders? You do realize that passive buffer isn't the only way to go right?
AF boost for the win. Nuff said. If it needs more signature, get a Rapier to web and triple paint it.
I have a feeling my Zealot, Curse that I'm getting soon, Sacrilege, and others are still able to easily beat a Rifter. Seeing as I nearly made piecemeal out of a Zealot with a Geddon, and shredded a crow with t1 light drones and ****ty drone skills, I'm not worried.
Hell my Sentinel should make short work of a t1 frigate.
While I do see how solo PvP went semi-poof, I never liked solo PvP because 90% of the time (I said 90%, sometimes it's different) the fight is decided before it beings.
You also provide no explanation as to how the game now pushes for a bunch of t1 BS (which it already did last time I checked... I see a lot of t1 BS used) with t1 support (which might I add was NERFED with this because they have low survivability and can't do the same speedtanking they did before)
Just fit a friggin painter. Or fly Amarr ships
And of course the "CCP ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN MONEY WAHHH!!!" argument. Just give it a rest.
Players already were effective in only a few months, they just have to know what they're doing, which they still do.
And of course.
Can I have your stuff?
ahahaha i really want to waste the my time, answer to you.. a drake passive tank (t2 stuff and t1 rigs) has about 1000defence but the point is ,with a max skilled torp-raven before QR u can kill it,now u can't!(uh maxed bs isn't able to kill a t1bc? lol ) omg rapier fitted with 3 paint and a web? and the your target can easy turn on mwd\af and go out of point range or reapprocing the gate cause the 60% web suks!but hey u've 3 paint!!!!flied in rapier for only 2 years and never thinking to fit 3 paint...i'm really nub! lol a crow shredded by t1 light drone with ****tly skill it must have had a so nice fit!!! At last u like to play in fleet (where the ability of a single one is unimportant) and i'd like to play solo or in really small fleet,always outnumbered (where the skill of the pilot is a must)so, u like QR and i hatred it oh and hello to the 2man corp who has wardec us, i'm just waiting for u logging back in rens(if u really use this char)... ppl without honour can only hide behind an alt :) |
Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.11.20 20:46:00 - [ 101]
Originally by: Pax Scindus
Insulting my intelligence?
Well done, sir. You surely have forged a new medium in the art of e-flaming.
*Sigh*
Flamers doing *sigh* at forum flaming? Shocking! What has the world come to? |
Nicola Sardonicus |
Posted - 2008.11.20 21:10:00 - [ 102]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Pax Scindus
****poasting
And here's a big **** you from the part of EVE community which has a higher IQ then room temperature
The "part of EVE community which has a higher IQ then room temperature" knows the difference between "then" and "than." |
Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
|
Posted - 2008.11.20 23:29:00 - [ 103]
Originally by: Te Sdrumo
ahahaha i really want to waste the my time, answer to you..
a drake passive tank (t2 stuff and t1 rigs) has about 1000defence but the point is ,with a max skilled torp-raven before QR u can kill it,now u can't!(uh maxed bs isn't able to kill a t1bc? lol )
Is the t1 BC able to come anywhere CLOSE to beating the BS? Originally by: Te Sdrumo
omg rapier fitted with 3 paint and a web? and the your target can easy turn on mwd\af and go out of point range or reapprocing the gate cause the 60% web suks!but hey u've 3 paint!!!!flied in rapier for only 2 years and never thinking to fit 3 paint...i'm really nub!
Well then 2 painters and 2 webs. Their signature is about double what it was before, and they're down to 16% speed. If that's still too fast, have someone in an Arazu use a scram on them to shut off their MWD. And don't tell me that you want to go solo, Recons were never meant to go solo (except when cynoing), that's for HACs. Originally by: Te Sdrumo
lol a crow shredded by t1 light drone with ****tly skill it must have had a so nice fit!!!
Have you been sarcastic enough? Given that drones now stay on their target as long as they can catch up, and the Crow is relativley slow now, it's not surprising that light drones can hold themselves on a crow, and since an interceptor pretty much has no tank, it dies fast. Also, neuts help. But you don't need them. Originally by: Te Sdrumo
At last u like to play in fleet (where the ability of a single one is unimportant) and i'd like to play solo or in really small fleet,always outnumbered (where the skill of the pilot is a must)so, u like QR and i hatred it
I never said large fleet, I just said I don't like 1v1 because the fight is usually decided before it starts. small fleets are the best balance because there's ways it could go either way based on the ability of the pilot during the fight and the FC. Even in large fleets the ability of individuals is important. In one fleet battle I was in, the fast response by the support, as well as their ability to allocate points with minimal communication and quickly, meant the difference between killing half the enemy fleet and not killing half the enemy fleet. |
Ruri Dant
The Riot Act |
Posted - 2008.11.20 23:57:00 - [ 104]
HEEEELLLOOOO,
you ******* joking, BS has to kill BC end of story, ALL BS should kill ALL BC (if all t2 fitted and no more) in a 1 on 1 engagement and their "battle potential" should be correspective, the "battle potential" should go like this:
figate,
t2 frigate
cruiser
BC
t2 cruiser
BS
t2 BC
t2 BS
then capitals.
The "Battle Potentials" "reach should be maybe limited in effectiveness from the top to the bottom of the list, a frigate and a BS should not be able to kill each other, but they should be effective on their neighbours in a factor of 2 range.
To all who have flamed you suck, you dont understand, the world is mad and i'm a genius (sarcasm ok?), why am i so ****ed off? because i ****** enjoyed this game a LOT,, u know log on pewpew, small warfare imperial so u know where the targets operate, get in a ship and try to make the best of it. Now it's not easy. Still gotta figure if i can enjoyed it, if i can i'll make a public apology to CCP, still thinking still thinking....
R
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Ruri Dant
The Riot Act |
Posted - 2008.11.21 00:04:00 - [ 105]
P.S.
obviously the chart is over simplified and there should be a variance included for diverse creative fittings or "elite" skill achievements (skills at lvl 5 give you extra fitting possibilities, as already is for example on the pilgrim with recon at 5) |
Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
|
Posted - 2008.11.21 00:33:00 - [ 106]
Originally by: Nicola Sardonicus
The "part of EVE community which has a higher IQ then room temperature" knows the difference between "then" and "than."
Mastery of the English language is proof of the intelligence and quality of my trollpoasting! |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire |
Posted - 2008.11.21 02:58:00 - [ 107]
Interesting discussion (when you skip the trolling and insults).
Within hours of the release being announced, our corporate forums were awash with ideas, new stategies and new tactics, ship setups and discussions. "Will this work?", "what about that?", "would it be better if?" - Some worked, some didn't.
This is a game and our corp members treat it as such. There was a rules change, we adapted. This is all part of the fun of the game.......not spending months training for this ship or that, but using the skills you have to their maximum potential and finding new ways to do things. Skilling for one ship, undocking and going through the same routine every time - you might as well run missions IMO.
My 0.02 ISK - I'm not claiming I'm right, or wrong, I just post.
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Lauri Andromedae |
Posted - 2008.11.21 07:35:00 - [ 108]
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Trellish
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2008.11.21 21:06:00 - [ 109]
Hmmm... OP, I just don't agree with this. Amarr pilot myself and loving it. Certain specific skills such as falloff now need attention they haven't had previously. Curse and pilgrim were slightly helped by this imo... not hurt. Arazu has been helped a lot. Falcon hasn't changed a lot... what do you mean by uber? You see many solo falcon ganks going on? Seems to me to have the same role it always has had. Rapier is a little less useful, but I'm still awful happy to have one in my fleet. As for the drake/raven bit... put a painter on that raven and watch your torps dmg double vs the drake. You just haven't worked out some of the changes yet. Painters are now absolute must have modules.... for large ships at least.
Shield tanking... no way it's been killed. Dunno on jaguars though... haven't fought with/in one yet. |
Trellish
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2008.11.21 21:08:00 - [ 110]
Edited by: Trellish on 21/11/2008 21:24:03 Originally by: Ruri Dant
Originally by: Rin Kaeda
Originally by: Plave Okice
Originally by: Ruri Dant
not to talk about the Pilgrim which was and is a piece of flying junk.
I got this far before realising you have no idea what you're talking about, then didn't bother to read any further.
Indeed, I didn't get any further.
LOL LOL, a pilot that comes up to me and says, the pilgrim is a good ship MUST be a complete fool (not to say worse).
There is NO situation where the pilgrim is superior to the Curse, none. It has no range bonus on the neuts, needs recon at 5 for fitting it properly with the correct cloack (wich now has a 30 secs recalibration time), and most importantly whereas the Curse has a slim but present possibility of engaging 1 vs 1 turret ships the Pilgrim is worthless on it's own. And if you in a gang you gonna go for Curse anyway, lol. try get your shortsucking pilgrim in a nanogang, at least the curse can stay at range, suck cap, throw drones, AND not be in 12 km from a badass BS (who might have neuts)
Go to some pvp school for kids, special kids.
See you miss the point i'd like the pilgrim to be an effective ship to use, specially for the warp cloacked thingy, but it simply aint.
----
Siebenthal your corp (2 man as in balls go in pairs) has wardecked us, hope you noticed it's mutual, come see us or was it just because u wanted to show me you fail at Eve?
Um... man 30 sec recalibration time? I suggest you go try one out again... also... pilgrim can be fitted quite effectively at recon 4. Lastly, patch is a boost to pilgrim... it always had to be a close in ship and the new scram module allows one to fit that instead of a point/web combo. Gave room for an additional module. Actually pilgrim is semi decent again. not uber... but flyable. Oh yeah, and as regards the pilgim vs curse... I dunno why you're comparing them directly. They fly better if you use one in one way, and the other in a different way. It's a little bit of apples and oranges. Obviously if you try to fly/fit a pilgrim like you do a curse... it's a fail due to the fact that they don't have exactly the same bonuses. But saying there's no situation where a pilgrim is better than the curse? Well... even the cov ops cloak makes obvious short work of that statement. |
Ruri Dant
The Riot Act |
Posted - 2008.11.22 03:33:00 - [ 111]
Edited by: Ruri Dant on 22/11/2008 03:39:19
tell me HOW the pilgrim is a viable ship to fly, i THINK i know exactly why it sucks (and i dont mean cap) tell me why and how it can be used against anything that is not jammed by a falcon or not for opening cynos, and BTW please dont say something stupid as "it can do excellent intel because it can wrp cloacked" there is buzzards and anathemas and them frigs for that.
The only reason u fly an Amarr Recon is because u want to Energy Neut/Nos AND/OR turret tracking disrupt, prepatch i was rocksolid there is(was) NO configuration that would make the pilgrim a reasonable ship to spend money on, the Curse was much more viable albeit being a slow recon it would do it's job fine, now it's more slow than my grannies weelchair and is a decent GANG ship nossing and turret destabilizing and launching drones all from a safe distance (provided you have tacklers).
Now all you noobtards please tell me HOW THE **** did this patch make the pilgrim a viable option, you know half my SP are Amarr i wouldnt mind using them and i'm man enough to say i'm wrong, but i suspect you just dont have much of an idea of what this post is about anyway.
---Had to edit---
Flyable, you say flyable, the arrbitrator is ******* flyable, the IBIS IS FLYABLE. The edge dude, the difference between winning and losing is this, you win if you dont have tards like you in the team, Eve is a sum of small simple but important factors, they ALL must be accounted for and then you select the most viable option for what you expect to face, there was not and never will be a "perfect fit" for all occasions, depending on the forces with and against there is always some adjustment that could be done to maximise efficency.
the only possible scenario where i find the pilgrim more efficent than a Curse is one, open a cyno and get killed |
Siebenthal |
Posted - 2008.11.22 03:59:00 - [ 112]
Originally by: Ruri Dant
Siebenthal your corp (2 man as in balls go in pairs) has wardecked us, hope you noticed it's mutual, come see us or was it just because u wanted to show me you fail at Eve?
I'm crying. You made me cry. |
Trellish
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2008.11.22 16:56:00 - [ 113]
Originally by: Ruri Dant
Edited by: Ruri Dant on 22/11/2008 03:39:19
tell me HOW the pilgrim is a viable ship to fly, i THINK i know exactly why it sucks (and i dont mean cap) tell me why and how it can be used against anything that is not jammed by a falcon or not for opening cynos, and BTW please dont say something stupid as "it can do excellent intel because it can wrp cloacked" there is buzzards and anathemas and them frigs for that.
The only reason u fly an Amarr Recon is because u want to Energy Neut/Nos AND/OR turret tracking disrupt, prepatch i was rocksolid there is(was) NO configuration that would make the pilgrim a reasonable ship to spend money on, the Curse was much more viable albeit being a slow recon it would do it's job fine, now it's more slow than my grannies weelchair and is a decent GANG ship nossing and turret destabilizing and launching drones all from a safe distance (provided you have tacklers).
Now all you noobtards please tell me HOW THE **** did this patch make the pilgrim a viable option, you know half my SP are Amarr i wouldnt mind using them and i'm man enough to say i'm wrong, but i suspect you just dont have much of an idea of what this post is about anyway.
---Had to edit---
Flyable, you say flyable, the arrbitrator is ******* flyable, the IBIS IS FLYABLE. The edge dude, the difference between winning and losing is this, you win if you dont have tards like you in the team, Eve is a sum of small simple but important factors, they ALL must be accounted for and then you select the most viable option for what you expect to face, there was not and never will be a "perfect fit" for all occasions, depending on the forces with and against there is always some adjustment that could be done to maximise efficency.
the only possible scenario where i find the pilgrim more efficent than a Curse is one, open a cyno and get killed
Well, just as an example, the pilgrim is certainly much more viable for going and finding a battle in a belt... the whole warp cloaked thing is more than a little bit useful at times... especially for getting up close to an ship which is foolishly not watching local... uncloaking, and killing. Curse can do the same thing obviously, but without the ability to get in close without someone knowing it, it's less good at suprising someone... which sometimes seems is the only way to consistently get one on one battles. As for how the patch helped the pilgrim... the main help was by the creation of the new scram module. The pilgrim always needed to be under 10k anyway, so using the new module means you can drop the point/web combo and just use the new module... you then rely on your neuts to stop the ship from AB if that's the module that was fitted. It's not a massive boost, but frankly the extra mid module slot this makes available is quite useful... pilgrim has also received some help from the new mechanics involving speed/signature/tracking/etc. No more than all other ships of the same class though. Is it uber? If you define uber as a ship that can take on just about any ship and either kill it or get away if things aren't going well the way the vaga used to be able to... then no, it's not uber. Is it a viable way to fly? Yes. |
Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD |
Posted - 2008.11.22 18:16:00 - [ 114]
Originally by: Ruri Dant
HEEEELLLOOOO,
you ******* joking, BS has to kill BC end of story, ALL BS should kill ALL BC (if all t2 fitted and no more) in a 1 on 1 engagement and their "battle potential" should be correspective, the "battle potential" should go like this:
figate,
t2 frigate
cruiser
BC
t2 cruiser
BS
t2 BC
t2 BS
then capitals.
The "Battle Potentials" "reach should be maybe limited in effectiveness from the top to the bottom of the list, a frigate and a BS should not be able to kill each other, but they should be effective on their neighbours in a factor of 2 range.
To all who have flamed you suck, you dont understand, the world is mad and i'm a genius (sarcasm ok?), why am i so ****ed off? because i ****** enjoyed this game a LOT,, u know log on pewpew, small warfare imperial so u know where the targets operate, get in a ship and try to make the best of it. Now it's not easy. Still gotta figure if i can enjoyed it, if i can i'll make a public apology to CCP, still thinking still thinking....
R
Ahh, I disagree. A t1 BS should not be able to wtfbbqpwn a t1 BC depending on the skills of the pilots, fitting of the ships, and circumstances of the engagement. I point to real life examples... a cluster of cruisers/destroyers beating back the largest remaining fleet of battlecruisers and battleships in the battle of Leyte Gulf (luck played heavily on their side). The sinking of the Bismarck by single torpedo strikes from biplanes. Certainly it isn't going to be easy, but it can happen. And if you really want to complain about giant shield tanks, look at the passive broadsword. |
Sanka Cofie
Amarr
The Yaar Offices of Pointe Webb and Podemall
|
Posted - 2008.11.22 19:27:00 - [ 115]
Motion to Let This Thread Die, All in Favor Say... well actually Don't Say Anything At All So it Dies More Quickly. |
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