Posted - 2008.11.05 11:40:00 - [2]

 

Posted - 2008.11.05 11:56:00 - [4]

 

Originally by: Salpad

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What exactly is it, in the upcoming patch, that will make cruise ravens useless for running level 4 missions?

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The cluelessness of Cruise Raven mission-runners.

Posted - 2008.11.05 12:25:00 - [6]

 

Originally by: Dr Fighter

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Originally by: Chimii Lecto

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Yes. You cannot use your cruise raven anymore.

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If you fire a cruise missile at anything thats not a BS or BC your client will crash and delete your boot.ini.

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I lol'd... :3

Posted - 2008.11.05 12:33:00 - [8]

 

But what exactly is it that CCP are changing?

Posted - 2008.11.05 15:35:00 - [10]

 

So in case you ever want to kill any elite npc cruisers, pack precision cruise missiles or fit a web. Alternately, fit heavy missile launchers on your Raven

Posted - 2008.11.05 15:48:00 - [12]

 

Originally by: Jach Wong

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So in case you ever want to kill any elite npc cruisers, pack precision cruise missiles or fit a web. Alternately, fit heavy missile launchers on your Raven

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This meens raven pilots have to train T2 Cruise Missiles! THIS IS MADNESS!

Posted - 2008.11.05 15:54:00 - [14]

 

Originally by: BiggestT

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Originally by: Elhina Novae

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Originally by: Jach Wong

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So in case you ever want to kill any elite npc cruisers, pack precision cruise missiles or fit a web. Alternately, fit heavy missile launchers on your Raven

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This meens raven pilots have to train T2 Cruise Missiles! THIS IS MADNESS!

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Too bad precisions suck :-/

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/Signed

Posted - 2008.11.05 16:30:00 - [16]

 

Originally by: Elhina Novae

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Is it really that bad? I have no experience of T2 Cruise Launchers myself (next on my list to train), but according to EFT the DPS loss isn't that bad. The only negative thing I could see is the fact that your velocity sucks even more then it used to :P

Warhead Rigor Catalyst seems to be a problem solver also?

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EFT DPS doesn't reflect the actual damage you'll be doing against a particular NPC ship because it doesn't know what you're going up against, so instead it assumes full damage. Think of EFT as telling you your DPS potential and not your actual output.

What that really means is that smaller missiles will have a better chance to achieve their full EFT DPS potential with the upcoming patch across a wider range of rat ships than cruise missiles or torps, which is why people predict the new champion of L4 mission-running will become the Nighthawk. While that's always been true regarding smaller missiles, the difference was overcome by the sheer amount of base damage for cruises and torps. Now that difference is being overcome by NPS signature radius and speed.

Rigs and target painters would help ships like the Raven/CNR/Golem overcome this issue, but that will mean re-configuring the ship to help fit those while still maintaining some level of shielding and DPS output. Sounds like a fun challenge actually, and it should be interesting to see how people adapt.

Posted - 2008.11.05 16:38:00 - [18]

 

Fit a single HAM launcher, the rats will never suspect it :). LOL

Posted - 2008.11.05 17:04:00 - [20]

 

Edited by: Heliose Demintisivo on 05/11/2008 17:12:01

Originally by: Salpad

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What exactly is it, in the upcoming patch, that will make cruise ravens useless for running level 4 missions?

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I dont think Cruise will be "Useless", but they will be less effective against smaller targets. Ill keep looking, but here is waht i could find on the missles so far.

Originally by: DEV BLOG:

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How is that feature working with missiles since it is not an instant weapon type?
One “uber” missile is launched per group and we stack the hitpoints accordingly. However this would create a problem with the current implementation of defenders on TQ, since they would insta-pop the stacked missile and reduce your DPS output to 0. For example, having two heavy missile launchers grouped together would launch a 60 hitpoints big missile to your target. Since a defender does 76 damage, it would nullify twice as much damage as it does in current mode.

To prevent that, we need to do minor tweaks to missile hitpoints. In the chart below, we are only changing missile hitpoints to be equivalent to defender damage to unify the situation. The goal remains not to change general missile damage or resilience. So in the situation above, a stack of two heavy missiles will now have 140 hitpoints while one defender will remove half of it.

-----------TQ Damage TQ Hitpoints New damage New hitpoints
Citadel-------1800-------650--------1800-------1920
Torpedo--------450-------240--------450-------- 280
Cruise---------300--------50--------300--------- 70
Heavy assault--100--------30--------100--------- 70
Heavy----------150--------30--------150----------70
Light-----------75--------15---------75----------70
Rocket----------25--------10---------25----------70
Defender--------76------- 5---------70------------5


We also reduce the missile stack damage depending on its remaining overall hitpoints. So if the group of two heavy missiles gets reduced from 140 to 70 hitpoints, it will do 50% less damage to the target. This last rule only applies to stacked missiles, not ones launched in normal mode.

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Posted - 2008.11.05 18:02:00 - [22]

 

is grouping launchers to make one uber missile is optional?

Posted - 2008.11.05 18:09:00 - [24]

 

Ignore everyone please continue to use cruisers kk.

Posted - 2008.11.05 18:28:00 - [26]

 

Edited by: Murina on 05/11/2008 18:53:13

Originally by: Endless Subversion

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Originally by: Murina

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Ravens and cruise have been "balanced" along with nano...deal with it.

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Don't be surprised when this gets quoted back to you post falcon-nerf.

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YAY my stalker returns...

Since 2003 ive dealt with nerfs and though falcons are fine as they are, even if they do get nerfed i will adapt again and still be better than you.

Posted - 2008.11.05 19:51:00 - [28]

 

Originally by: Jach Wong

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Edited by: Jach Wong on 05/11/2008 19:43:13
Edit for posting error.

Originally by: Elhina Novae

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Originally by: Jach Wong

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So in case you ever want to kill any elite npc cruisers, pack precision cruise missiles or fit a web. Alternately, fit heavy missile launchers on your Raven

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This meens raven pilots have to train T2 Cruise Missiles! THIS IS MADNESS!

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Most Raven pilots I know have T2 cruise skills. The point is that cruise missiles already do shamefully little damage, and having to use precision cruise to kill elite cruisers is just ridiculous. The bounties wouldn't cover the cost of the missiles.

This is no less silly than fitting medium blasters on a Hyperion.

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What about regular cruise missles plus drones? Surely that combination would work, although it might take a bit of time.

Posted - 2008.11.05 20:07:00 - [30]

 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz

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Ravens and cruise have been "balanced" along with nano...deal with it.

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Small issue is that cruise missiles didn't need balancing to begin with. They already suffer from (A) ****-poor damage output and (B) long flight times to counter the fact that they deal [mostly] fixed damage.

This is nothing more than a CCP attempt to curb level 4 mission runner efficiency while saying it's in the name of nano-nerf balance.

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I fly a raven for missions, and my missionrunning speed won't change cause of this. Fit your ship differently thats all you need to do