Posted - 2008.10.15 00:05:00 - [3]

 

IF you did not know you were playing it, the choice would not be yours.

Posted - 2008.10.15 00:11:00 - [5]

 

im totallying pwning this game

Posted - 2008.10.15 01:40:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Benco97

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No, however... I often think that perhaps I am the only real person, It makes perfect sense because I know I'M real but I know nothing about anyone elsem, how do I know you're real, there is no proof at all.. However, I'm erring on the side of "No, you're just crazy" and refraining from testing the limits of my fictional universe.

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Oh wow so I'm not the only one who has thought about the whole "What if I'm the only real one in this place"

Posted - 2008.10.15 02:44:00 - [9]

 

Well, for the world to suck this much it would have to be made by SoE.

And the universe can't be that bad off, can it?

Posted - 2008.10.15 06:22:00 - [11]

 

Originally by: Benco97

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No, however... I often think that perhaps I am the only real person, It makes perfect sense because I know I'M real but I know nothing about anyone elsem, how do I know you're real, there is no proof at all.. However, I'm erring on the side of "No, you're just crazy" and refraining from testing the limits of my fictional universe.

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Descartes ftw. I just had a philosophy midterm and had to know what Descartes thought... and I've wondered this before too O_o

(for those of you who don't know philosophy a little bit, Descartes was the one that said "I think, therefore I am.")

Posted - 2008.10.15 06:53:00 - [13]

 

I'm playing Better Than Life right now, and boy, is it awesome!

Posted - 2008.10.15 12:13:00 - [15]

 

ZOMG ZE MATRICKS

Posted - 2008.10.15 13:56:00 - [17]

 

Edited by: Myrhial Arkenath on 15/10/2008 13:58:29
"All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream."

Been thinking, could it be that the fact that we ask questions such as 'is this real' or 'what is the meaning of life' is a side-effect/flaw of self-awareness?

Posted - 2008.10.15 15:24:00 - [19]

 

Existentialism has always been an enjoyable topic to me. I frequently wonder if we exist, and if we really have souls, or are just electrical anomalies across a neural network.

That being said... And someone else already said this... Who's to say I'm not in a coma, and I'm imagining all of you?

Posted - 2008.10.15 18:06:00 - [21]

 

Originally by: Pwett

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Who is to say you're not a comma?

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I'm a semicolon

Posted - 2008.10.15 18:47:00 - [23]

 

Originally by: Gautan Virdamot

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Still beats an exclamation mark.

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He's just happy to see you.

Posted - 2008.10.15 21:49:00 - [25]

 

There exists a theory that says that the universe is not only a computer simulation, but that everyone inside it is also a computer simulation. Think of it, universe is a circle, the circle is simulated, than all that exists within the circle, must be simulated.

You may invoke Descartes to say that you think therefore you exist, but how can you be sure that you're not an advanced AI?

Unshamelessly stolen from not only Wikipedia:

The philosopher Nick Bostrom investigated the possibility that we may be living in a simulation.[1] A simplified version of his argument proceeds as such:

i. It is possible that a civilization could create a computer simulation which contains individuals with artificial intelligence.
ii. Such a civilization would likely run many—say billions—of these simulations (just for fun; for research, etc.)
iii. A simulated individual inside the simulation wouldn’t necessarily know that it’s inside a simulation—it’s just going about its daily business in what it considers to be the "real world."

Then the ultimate question is—if one accepts that theses 1, 2, and 3 are at least possible, which of the following is more likely?

a. We are the one civilization which develops AI simulations and happens not to be in one itself? Or,
b. We are one of the many (billions) of simulations that has run? (Remember point iii.)

In greater detail, his argument attempts to prove the trichotomy, that:

either

1. intelligent races will never reach a level of technology where they can run simulations of reality so detailed they can be mistaken for reality (or this is impossible in principle); or
2. races who do reach such a level do not tend to run such simulations; or
3. we are almost certainly living in such a simulation.

Bostrom's argument uses the premise that given sufficiently advanced technology, it is possible to simulate entire inhabited planets or even larger habitats or even entire universes as quantum simulations in time/space pockets, including all the people on them, on a computer, and that simulated people can be fully conscious, and are as much persons as non-simulated people.

A particular case provided in the original paper poses the scenario where we assume that the human race could reach such a technological level without destroying themselves in the process (i.e. we deny the first hypothesis); and that once we reached such a level we would still be interested in history, the past, and our ancestors, and that there would be no legal or moral strictures on running such simulations (we deny the second hypothesis)—then

* it is likely that we would run a very large number of so-called ancestor simulations to study our past;
* and that, by the same line of reasoning, many of these simulations would in turn run other sub-simulations, and so on;
* and that given the fact that right now it is impossible to tell whether we are living in one of the vast number of simulations or the original ancestor universe, the likelihood is that the former is true.

Assumptions as to whether the human race (or another intelligent species) could reach such a technological level without destroying themselves depend greatly on the value of the Drake equation, which gives the number of intelligent technological species communicating via radio in a galaxy at any given point in time. The expanded equation looks to the number of posthuman civilizations that ever would exist in any given universe. If the average for all universes, real or simulated, is greater than or equal to one such civilization existing in each universe's entire history, then odds are rather overwhelmingly in favor of the proposition that the average civilization is in a simulation, assuming that such simulated universes are possible and such civilizations would want to run such simulations.

Some papers analyses "serious mathematical and logical errors" in the Simulation Argument.

Posted - 2008.10.16 09:59:00 - [27]

 

Thing is, if you had a sufficiently powerful simulation in which you simulated the circulation of atoms and charges and whatnot perfectly on a microscopic scale, the larger scale things like organisms wouldn't be aware of the fact that they were in a simulation.

So yes, we could be in a simulation. However, I consider this unlikely, and if it were true, who cares anyway? Were stuck in it. Unless I can hack my way out. Hmmmm.