Posted - 2009.01.08 15:50:00 - [5972]

 

Originally by: Liu

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page 200!!!!!

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yeah!! we made it!!! i guess now its time for a dev answer

Posted - 2009.01.08 17:25:00 - [5974]

 

Jesus christ, people are still *****ing over this?

Seriously, get a life. Complaining about not being given something for free is pathetic. Go get a job.

Posted - 2009.01.08 18:23:00 - [5976]

 

Wow!
I am suprised CCP has not conviniently lost this thread by now!

Posted - 2009.01.08 23:47:00 - [5978]

 

Originally by: stormyfs911

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Originally by: Oliver Price

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Wah, I can't train skills for free anymore. Wah, I can't afford 8 alts anymore, and have to find people in game that can produce the services I need. Wah, CCP is really messing us over, I want to quit. Wah, wah, wah.

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Yes, it technically was 'free training' if you apply the 'real life money is the only money that counts' rule, however the price of the skillbook was still the same, and not paying for that month means that you have one month less to reacquire your iskies to buy the next skillbook.
Essentially you're kicking yourself in the ******* to save £20.

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Seriously, regardless of if it was a bug or a feature that CCP promoted, it was, unfair. There are free MMO's out there, and some of them are really decent. If you don't want to pay to play, find one. CCP still has the best ideas on running an MMO giving you free updates, and the ability to play for free via the purchase of GTC's, and selling characters for isk. Even though GTC's are getting ridiculous, but that's a supply and demand issue, not CCP's issue.

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Feature.
Available to everyone.
Yes, free MMOs, but none are like Eve.
Free updates? HEH. I'll get to that...
And as for the supply and demand of GTCs not being CCP's issue... Is your memory really so short, that it doesn't remember it was CCP that shot down the 30 and 90 day GTCs? Surely that makes it very specifically their issue, as they caused it.

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Don't get me wrong, if CCP ever decided to start charging for updates, I would leave to, not because I hate the game or the company, but because I don't want to pay for updates. That's the choice I make, same as you. Quit if you, but at least have some self respect.

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OK, now we come to the crux of the issue... 'Free updates'. Yay. Time for some basic maths. (All prices shown are from http://www.shatteredcrystal.com with the WoW prices being the US/Oceanic realms)
Eve 60 Day GTC - $34.99
WoW 60 Day GTC - $29.99

6 payments on each (year's subscription) comes out as:
Eve - $209.94
WoW - $179.94 (a saving of $30)

Now, yes, I will admit that the Lich King expansion costs $39.99 so you'll have to throw in an extra $10, but bear in mind that the true WoW expansions (the only two they've actually labelled as 'expansion') contain more than a couple different renders, not to mention the FREE bugfixes/rebalances you get from Blizzard that aren't dressed up as an expansion.
Yes, I'm looking at you SpeedNerf/Orca Expatchion.

BTW, that little popping noise you just heard?
That would be me, driving the PIN OF TRUTH into your FACADE OF FREE EVE EXPANSIONS.

Good day.

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/signed

Posted - 2009.01.09 11:53:00 - [5980]

 

Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar

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Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou

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Jesus christ, people are still *****ing over this?

Seriously, get a life. Complaining about not being given something for free is pathetic. Go get a job.

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go get a clue

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Nah, you would be the clueless one. Welcome to life, this is how it works.

Posted - 2009.01.09 22:24:00 - [5982]

 

Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou

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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar

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Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou

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Jesus christ, people are still *****ing over this?

Seriously, get a life. Complaining about not being given something for free is pathetic. Go get a job.

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go get a clue

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Nah, you would be the clueless one. Welcome to life, this is how it works.

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We know this is how it works.

Ignorant comes to thread, hasn't read it, misses point, posts like you did, looks like tit.

Congratulations.

Posted - 2009.01.10 09:36:00 - [5984]

 

I just came back after a 5 month break.

Seeing that one of the features i liked the most is beeing taken away, I dont plan to reactivate when the account runs out again.

And why? Because my family and I travel. We travel around 2 months pr year, and during that time I plan ahead, and I used that time to get skills like "battleship level 5" and stuff like that.

I reactivated when I came back and I wasnt "5 levels behind" as I would have been in other games.
This was what i LOVED about EVE.

and no - i plan to let my 20 bill rot before handing out 0.02 isk.

Posted - 2009.01.10 20:59:00 - [5986]

 

well first of all what i love about eve is that u dont need to be online for skill training
that s one the reasons y i quşt playing wow when i was working i would not have much time to spend on internet and i was behind my guild but in eve its not like that.
for years people have used ghost training.it might be on the agreement or some stuff like that i dont care i just look at the ethic behind it. i did not read all the 200 pages but i just checked few.
all i can say is that its not fair to the CCP
but i see that there are players who can not check the game for a long time but to be honest if ur an eve fan COME ON u would at least check once or twice a month.
i m still doing my military service and i was away from eve for more than 5 months but i still managed my skill training how? simple call your buddy!!!
for those old players i m sure u got few buddies in the game rite?
coz u have been playing it for years
sounds funny for me, your situation sorry

anyways
but one thing thou, CCP should also make skill training queue if they r tending to keep the away players.By this way i believe they would not loose those players away for months and since they are paying i dont see any problem for CCP either.This might push the servers database but still is not it worth not loosing these players???the training queue does not need to be infinite just let to queue 3 or 5 skills thats it
and maybe for those ghost trainers who transfers their chars to 1 account maybe u can enable training on all chars with expense of sp divident / characters training (if u r getting 2244 sp per hour from 1 char and with this mode if u train 3 chars make that char get 2244/3=831sp per hour)

anyways
i believe players like me would agree with CCP's this act.
for all those active players
fly safe and enjoy the game o/

Posted - 2009.01.11 10:55:00 - [5988]

 

Originally by: Saphirro

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What do you have up your sleeve for global warming? That we all move to Mars?

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Since the Earth is flat, "global" warming is a myth anyway.

Posted - 2009.01.11 19:41:00 - [5990]

 

/bumped and signed

Posted - 2009.01.12 13:05:00 - [5992]

 

Well, this year seems very important for eve, with the upcoming walking in stations, tech3 and true exploration (in my preferred order, reverse release order). On the other hand, all these issues have alienated me and made me more skeptical about CCP's actions in general.

I laughed very hard on the announcement of the upcoming expansion that was as vague as could be.

I recently started doing all the lvl5 advanced training skills so, for me, that means I'm in a wait and see mode.

I'll keep my eye out for a particular MMO that should be released this month.

I hope CCP finds a way to reverse all this bad vibe, but I'm not holding my breath and no longer feel and advertise EVE as if I had stocks of CCP.

Like many trolls pointed out, it's just a game. :P

Posted - 2009.01.12 23:27:00 - [5994]

 

The bubble may yet burst...


Google - 'Rata Nrnima bunyip issler'

Posted - 2009.01.13 15:53:00 - [5996]

 

Originally by: OneSock

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Well since I let my account lapse, CCP sent me a 5 day extension to tease me back in. Might as well use it, but no it's not going to make me resub. After this I'll prob play WoW and maybe resub a couple of months when the next content turns up.

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With a bit of luck they'll do another 5 day thing to entice people back then, too. And I can harvest my DCs on my research accounts at the same time. Everyone's a winner \o/

Posted - 2009.01.14 02:48:00 - [5998]

 

Originally by: Vagel

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I just came back after a 5 month break.

Seeing that one of the features i liked the most is beeing taken away, I dont plan to reactivate when the account runs out again.

And why? Because my family and I travel. We travel around 2 months pr year, and during that time I plan ahead, and I used that time to get skills like "battleship level 5" and stuff like that.

I reactivated when I came back and I wasnt "5 levels behind" as I would have been in other games.
This was what I LOVED about EVE.

and no - i plan to let my 20 bill rot before handing out 0.02 isk.

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You can afford to travel for two months out of every year and your *****ing about the tiny amount of $$ it requries to keep the game runnnig???

Man, you've really got more issues than a simply Ghost Training issue...

Posted - 2009.01.14 08:10:00 - [6000]

 

Originally by: Bo'Tox

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Originally by: Saphirro

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That's fine, except it constitutes account sharing and is against the EULA or ToS - either way, one of the terms and conditions.

You could end up with your account banned, or one of those people you thought was your buddy ripping you off.

Nice solution.
What do you have up your sleeve for global warming? That we all move to Mars?

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Account sharing is simply a safety net for CCP so that if you complain about loosing your ships/ modules and isk because you shared your account then they can say "Too Bad, so Sad.."
If you trust your RL friends then I dont see an issue..... EULA or no EULA...

Lawyers and Rules Laywers can flame that way.

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if it's done on titan pilot accounts; then, it can't be wrong... can it?


unsubbed training is still nerfed, yes?

shame. soooo in all those other games i get rested XP, am i getting rested skillpoints now that eve nerfed their equivalent of rested xp?

you don't pay for rested xp do you? i just magically occurs right? but you can also have 50-100 characters in those games and level one thru it's rested xp while the others gain more rested xp...

but... you can only train one at a time on eve... so unsubbed training wasn't exactly equal to rested xp, but it was something. and something was better than nothing.

oh wait, all that is logical... that requires someone intelligent to read it and not just some random troll regurgitating "i no caN re4d, u r loosEr, g0 diIi'.


i'm starting to think ambulation will be out around the time darkfall hits retail.