Posted - 2008.09.19 21:40:00 - [2]

 

The main factor affecting the price of these modules is supply: Miner II's can be built by players, Cu's must be looted from NPC's.

In addition to that there is the higher skill requirement and harder fitting requirements of the Miner II's, but those are likely to be secondary to the supply factor.

Posted - 2008.09.19 21:46:00 - [4]

 

Thank you.
I don't understand why supply is important. For example, if two items have the same attributes, why would I want to use NPC supplied one? Is there an advantage? Or necessity?

But of course, higher kill req. and harder fitting makes sense.

Posted - 2008.09.19 21:54:00 - [6]

 

Originally by: Zmarc

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I don't understand why supply is important. For example, if two items have the same attributes, why would I want to use NPC supplied one?

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In theory, if you had two items that had the exact same statistics, then you would have no reason to choose one over the other except for price. The prices of each item would be determined by how easy it is to get onto the market for sale, and at what cost. In that case, just pick whatever is cheaper. I cannot come up with any examples of different items that are the exact same (maybe some high level faction / officer modules), though.

I'm probably not explaining it all that well, but if you are interested in some basic economics then the guys over in the Marketing forums might be able to help (or flame; on second thought, Google/Wikipedia might be better).

In short, the market is smart.

Posted - 2008.09.19 22:40:00 - [8]

 

Originally by: Zmarc

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Thank you.
I don't understand why supply is important. For example, if two items have the same attributes, why would I want to use NPC supplied one? Is there an advantage? Or necessity?

But of course, higher kill req. and harder fitting makes sense.

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If the items were EXAXCTLY EQUAL< then no, there'd be no reason to choose.

As it is, though, there IS a reason.

The way items work in EvE, there are two main "tiers" of items. Tier 1, which in this specific case would be the Miner 1, and Tier 2 or T2, which again in this case would be the Miner II.

Miner 1s are "seeded" at most of the major trade hubs, and are very commonly available. They, as you'll note, are also the cheapest.

In between the "base" Tier1, there are the meta 1-4 ones, called the "named". ones. They have the same skill requirements as the Tier1 base unit, but often are easier to fit, OR do more, or both. In your specific case, the CU named, being meta 4, mines almost twice as much per cycle than it's lower end brother, the Miner 1.

"Named" items are NOT seeded ANYWHERE - they are ONLY available as ddrops from killing NPCs. This creates a artificaial scarcity of supply, anbd since people don't want to train Mining 4 to use the T2 version due to the time it takes... well, the CU version gets a high price because of it.

Used to be that Tier2 weren't "seeded" either - with the addition of "invention" back in Revelations, it became possible for players to invest the time and effort required into creating a blueprint for Tier2 items, and for players them to be able to manufacture them. So, supply wnet up, and prices on Tier2 fell.

There IARE levels above Tier2, as well - these are the "faction" or "officer" versions of the Tier2 items - such a item for mining lasers would be the ORE Mining Laser, only available from the ORE LP shop. EXACTLY the same as a Miner II, lower skill requirements.

This applies to other than just mining lasers, just so you know - this applies to EVERY module in the game - there'll always be a "base" Tier 1, at least one "named" that is drop-only, and a Tier2 version that needs (usually) At least the enabling skill at IV, sometimes V (for T2 drones, you need Drones V, raciak Drone Specialty 1).

Hope this hepls you, at least by being a bit more general :)

Posted - 2008.09.20 07:28:00 - [10]

 

Originally by: Zmarc

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Correction:

higher kill req. => higher skill requirement

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Just an FYI - there is an Edit function that allows you to edit your posts and correct types. It's right above on the same line as the date and the Quote command for YOUR posts only.

Posted - 2008.09.20 16:54:00 - [12]

 

Originally by: Ancy Denaries

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Just want to point out that Tier =/= Tech.

Tier 2 =/= Tech 2.

Tech
Tech 1 and Tech 2 is what you described. Advancements in technology. Tech 2 items also have that orange triangle in the top left corner of their icon with a "II" in it. Tech 2 items are almost always better than any named variety.

Tier
Tier is basically an attempt to put ships in some form of advancement order. Tier refers to the amount of skill required to fly the ship. For instance, the Caldari Raven battleship needs Caldari Battleship II, and is thus a tier 2 ship. It's still a TECH 1 ship though. The Rokh, which requires Caldari battleship 3, is thus a Tier 3 ship.

Slightly confusing, but there is a difference.

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And a difference, that when talking about ANYTHING other than ships, is academic and rarely used :)

Since we were talking about MINING LASERS, didn't thing that was worth the bother.

Posted - 2008.09.20 20:00:00 - [14]

 

Originally by: Johann Callasan

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Originally by: Ancy Denaries

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Just want to point out that Tier =/= Tech.

Tier 2 =/= Tech 2.

Tech
Tech 1 and Tech 2 is what you described. Advancements in technology. Tech 2 items also have that orange triangle in the top left corner of their icon with a "II" in it. Tech 2 items are almost always better than any named variety.

Tier
Tier is basically an attempt to put ships in some form of advancement order. Tier refers to the amount of skill required to fly the ship. For instance, the Caldari Raven battleship needs Caldari Battleship II, and is thus a tier 2 ship. It's still a TECH 1 ship though. The Rokh, which requires Caldari battleship 3, is thus a Tier 3 ship.

Slightly confusing, but there is a difference.

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And a difference, that when talking about ANYTHING other than ships, is academic and rarely used :)

Since we were talking about MINING LASERS, didn't thing that was worth the bother.

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Describing different tiers could be confused with meta levels of items, however.

It makes more sense for everyone involved if "Tech" was used over Tier when refering to tech 2 stuff.

Posted - 2008.09.21 05:16:00 - [16]

 

Originally by: Ancy Denaries

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Tech
Tech 1 and Tech 2 is what you described. Advancements in technology. Tech 2 items also have that orange triangle in the top left corner of their icon with a "II" in it. Tech 2 items are almost always better than any named variety.

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In some cases (many cases?) meta level 4 ("best named") has the same performance as tech 2, but lower fitting requirements (needs less CPU, or less powergrid), than tech 2 (meta level 5).

That alone makes meta level 4 very attractive in many cases, often much more so than the lower skill requirements, and as a result meta level 4 modules are often very expensive.

I remember paying 15M ISK each for 7 Arbalest (meta 4) Heavy Launchers, a long time ago. Later on I replaced them with tech 2 Heavy Launchers costing around 2M ISK each.

(For missile lauchers, the tech 2 version also lets you benefit from the missile specialization skillz, which is an attractive way of getting higher DPS on the cheap).