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Joker Deville
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2008.09.16 20:43:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Joker Deville on 16/09/2008 20:45:53
Gtc's have gone up by 25% in the last month from 400mill for a 60 day gtc, which was already overpriced, to 500mill.
In part, is sellers themselves creating fake buy orders for hilarious prices just to raise the bar, and because players NEED gtc's nomatter what and with 70%+ of them having no idea about economy's theory of supply/demand, sellers are getting away with it.
I'm aware that CCP makes money from this high prices, but this has now become ridiculous, gtc's have become eve's oil.
It is time CCP puts regulation concerning the pricing of GTC's or bring back 30day / 90day gtc's.
Regulations concerning pricing of gtc's should become ccp's and the council's main concern, simply put: who cares if the game is bugged if 50%+ of the player base stops playing because they cant afford it.
As many others, I will slowly start seeing myself playing JUST to pay for gtc's and not to actually to enjoy the game, and with 4 accounts this is turning more into a job than a hobby.
I encourage everyone to give out seriously thought ideas and support this, if prices do not go back to what they were i will most probably cancel my subscriptions, like many, until CCP does something about this or pricing go back to reasonable levels. |
Joker Deville
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:45:00 - [ 2]
supporting my topic |
Lia Gaeren
Caldari
Pole Dancing Vixens
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:48:00 - [ 3]
Edited by: Lia Gaeren on 16/09/2008 20:49:15 Originally by: Joker Deville
I'm aware that CCP makes money from this high prices...
How, exactly, do they make money? The GTC is a fixed price to whoever you're buying it from, regardless of whether they sell it on to you for 10 isk or 10 billion isk. edit - I learned how to spell and do grammar a bit better. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party |
Posted - 2008.09.16 20:49:00 - [ 4]
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 16/09/2008 20:49:49
I agree that they should bring back the 30 and 90 day GTC's.
But I can't support fixed prices.
It's all supply and demand. The supply has simply gone down, thus price increase. Can't blame that nor fix it. |
Joker Deville
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2008.09.16 20:55:00 - [ 5]
Vista,
Im not in any way supporting fix pricing, but CCP should realize it is time that they step in and set a limit, much as governements intervene with certain commodities to make sure buyers dont overprice it.
I think we can all agree that if buyers got together, the prices of gtc's could easily be 600mill+, and although most would say that wouldnt happen, that is what they said about oil pricing at the pump. Nomatter how high the prices are, theres always ******s willing to buy it because they just dont know any better.
And if CCP doesn't intervene and put a stop to this insane inflation, those kind of prices will soon be a reality, and anyone may quote me saying it once it does. |
Moostang
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.16 20:56:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Moostang on 16/09/2008 20:59:08 Originally by: Joker Deville
I'm aware that CCP makes money from this high prices, but this has now become ridiculous, gtc's have become eve's oil.
Wont they make less from high prices. People buy gtc's with in game isk so they can afford to have their account or in most cases, multiple accounts. 3-5 accounts cost 45 to 75 us dollars per month!! Now in my case, I used to buy 90 day gtc's for around 300m and could keep 5+ accounts running every month. Now I have had to cut down to 3 accounts because 75 a month is rediculous and not worth it and I refuse to pay more than 350m isk for a 60 day when I used to get 90 days for less. So in reality, they are losing accounts because people cant afford or refuse to pay so much with rl or ingame money. CCP can either control ingame prices for gtc's and make them resonable or bring back 90 day gtc's, or lastly, continue to lose accounts. |
Zloj MaNGooST
Solar Dragons
SOLAR FLEET |
Posted - 2008.09.16 21:07:00 - [ 7]
imo, some regulation should be done. dunno about max. price, but 30 and 90 day gts could fix problem back =) |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate |
Posted - 2008.09.16 22:50:00 - [ 8]
Price limits are a sign of economics gone slightly mad, and I can show with only minimal difficulty that they're a foolish idea that hurt those that they're supposed to help in virtually all cases.
Also, the whole point of the law of supply and demand is that you don't have to know bugger all about how it works for it to work. People produce more of something when it's more valuable, and consume more of it when it's less valuable. If GTCs are getting too expensive for you, buy fewer of them - set long skills on 2-3 of your accounts, and let them lie fallow for a month. Or let them lapse entirely, or even sell one of the charactyers to finance the other three. But don't tell people willing to pay for a GTC that they're not allowed to because there's a CCP-imposed shortage. |
Matrixcvd
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.16 23:55:00 - [ 9]
this is a joke right? you can't begin to tell me that its ethical to price fix something that is a commidity just because you chose to use it as your only means of paying for your game time? that is just a giant comedy. its the only autherized RMT, if you can't afford imaginary dollars to pay for real objects get a new hobby |
FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
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Posted - 2008.09.17 00:13:00 - [ 10]
Edited by: FunzzeR on 17/09/2008 00:16:23
I might be able to agree with the notion of bringing back 30 and 90 gtc.
However placing a price ceiling on the prices is a terrible idea. As artificial restrictions would mess up the supply of gtc, and if I apply RL economic concepts, there would likely be a shortage of GTC available to meet demand, ceteris paribus.
Secondly, such restrictions would go against the free market/no regulated environment that make EVE interesting in the first place.
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Silvana Kor'ah |
Posted - 2008.09.17 00:57:00 - [ 11]
Completely nonsense. Sorry pal, but how can you say 500m is overpriced? I sped 35 $ for it, spend it on a single Navy Raven and loose it the next day. And how fast do 0.0 players earn that 500m? A 3 days work? If you ask me, 500m is still underpriced, not overpriced. You see, it's all relative  Therefore NO to fixed prices, things are just fine as they are. 30 and 90 days GTC would be fine, but that's a decicion of CCP only |
Jinx Barker
Caldari
GFB Scientific |
Posted - 2008.09.17 01:53:00 - [ 12]
Fixed prices? You joking, right? What is this communism? I agree on 30 Day and 90 Day, I wish they were back. Oh, and I do buy GTC to support my EVE habit, and I do pay the ridiculous prices.  |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2008.09.17 03:48:00 - [ 13]
It's a good thing I'm all nuclear then, don't care for the GTC/oil 'issue' at all, it's not even remotely important since none of our members are paupers. |
Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2008.09.17 04:35:00 - [ 14]
leave it alone.
introduce 30day/90day, increase anti isk seller activity all ok in my book, but setting a fixed price is stupid and should never be done. |
Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire |
Posted - 2008.09.17 08:38:00 - [ 15]
Mabe you never noticed but the prices went up with 33% for a 60 day GTC.
No wonder people want more isk.. there is nothing fake about buying or selling GTC. If youd ont want to pay for the GTC then buy your own game time.
Your playing for ingame isk and are still complaining..
**** like this ****es meh off. |
MS Stanis
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2008.09.17 16:10:00 - [ 16]
This is my 4th mmorpg and it its the first time I have ever seen it possible, to pay for an mmorpg with game money.
If you cant pay for the game with rl money dont play mmorpg and tbh this issue shouldnt even be consuming neither CSM or CCP's time.
You should be playing guildwars.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
Holy Empire of The Unshaven |
Posted - 2008.09.17 16:55:00 - [ 17]
Bring back 30 and 90 day and the problem would fix itself.
The problem is the per month cost in real money went up on the GTC, so, guess what? People are going to ask the same amount (or more) of isk that they always did per unit of real life money. Meaning, the cost going "up" in isk is largely an illusion. Paying for the game with GTC is now the most expensive way to play (per month) in many countries, including the US. If you play with GTC your going to pay for it, either in RL money or in isk. Period. CCP obviously wanted it this way.
IMHO, CCP should not have gone with this move at all. But, they have never once in over five and a half years listened to me, so I doubt they are going to start now.
Bottom line: We (the community) are going to loose accounts over this; there is no question. And, CCP doesn't care or they wouldn't have done it. So, if they don't care if they loose accounts over this why would they care enough to fix prices to protect YOUR isk? My point? That this thread has no point. Bring it up with the CSM if you want to, but its a waste of time. CCP isn't going to do anything about it. |
procurement specialist |
Posted - 2008.09.17 18:30:00 - [ 18]
CCP ALREADY SPOKE. THEY SAID THAT EVE WAS WORTH IT. |
Somealt Ofmine |
Posted - 2008.09.18 02:36:00 - [ 19]
Where to start.
CCP makes the same amount regardless of how much isk you pay for a GTC. The price in real currency is set by them.
I'm not sure that bringing back the other denominations would help anything. At the end of the day, it all comes down to how cheap does isk need to be in real currency before people are willing to buy it.
I doubt very seriously that anything like 50% of the player base is paying for their play time with isk. Have you seen that statistic somewhere?
If it's starting to feel more like a job than a hobby, maybe you don't need 4 accounts?
I don't want to sound like a cheerleader here, but I think it's really cool that CCP allows time rich, cash poor players to pay for their play time with isk, and time poor, cash rich players to pay for isk with money in a way that doesn't break the EULA. If they tried to "fix" prices, what you'd find is that demand would go down, and you'd have trouble finding someone to sell you a GTC for isk at all. The communists tried the price fixing thing. It didn't work out so well. Lead to empty stores and long lines to buy toilet paper.
There is a price at which those who sell GTCs will run into resistance, and find no buyers. The market will determine that price. Not much CCP can do about it, other than make isk more scarce, which would have serious in-game side effects. |
eliminator2
Gallente
Vindicated Blast.
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Posted - 2008.09.18 07:21:00 - [ 20]
its ok with whats happening in real life eve might soon shutdown i mean ammerca's major bank has gone bust all airports are going bust all prices are still increasing less and less jobs are happening so sooner or later the whole world will be affect buy this wich it will happen soon and then EVE among other things will shutdown because no money so enjoy eve before there is no eve :D
but yea it needs to be sorrted eve have made the worst decision ever on this |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2008.09.18 14:22:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Draygo Korvan
leave it alone.
introduce 30day/90day, increase anti isk seller activity all ok in my book, but setting a fixed price is stupid and should never be done.
Exactly this. |
Zylawy |
Posted - 2008.09.18 21:34:00 - [ 22]
I just checked. 60 day GTC are at 650 million ATM.
Although this is expensive, I think what the post was about is that it cost more to buy a 60 day GTC then it does to pay monthly. (since I last checked)
but I dont think CCP should make someone only get 400 million for a 60 GTC, its supply and damand. |
Alvar Kesh
Gallente
Ealurian Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:37:00 - [ 23]
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Tmarte
Caldari
Slackers Incorporated |
Posted - 2008.09.30 16:15:00 - [ 24]
Edited by: Tmarte on 30/09/2008 16:16:12 Originally by: Joker Deville
Vista,
Im not in any way supporting fix pricing, but CCP should realize it is time that they step in and set a limit, much as governements intervene with certain commodities to make sure buyers dont overprice it.
Isn't setting a ceiling to the price of a GTC an indirect way of fixing it's price? |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate |
Posted - 2008.09.30 16:31:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Tmarte
Isn't setting a ceiling to the price of a GTC an indirect way of fixing it's price?
It's a fairly direct way, actually. It's not like these people are asking it to be capped at 10 billion, after all. |
Uzume Ame
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.09.30 16:40:00 - [ 26]
Won't happen and shoult not happend, also comparing GTC to other necessary good is not even wrong. Governments "rarelly" fix prices for luxury goods. |
Sir SmellyFart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.30 17:19:00 - [ 27]
The problem here is that GTC cards now cost more per month in real cash than when the 90 day cards were around. So yes, CCP is making more money if the playerbase would be stable or larger than b4 the 90 day cards got removed.
So yes, they can take action to bring down the price of GTC's, it would mean lowering prices on them. :)
I for one am all for that as I still think we got screwed over with the 60 day cards.
Setting fixed prices for GTC cards in isk is a bad idea though :) |
Uzume Ame
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.09.30 17:32:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Sir SmellyFart
The problem here is that GTC cards now cost more per month in real cash than when the 90 day cards were around. So yes, CCP is making more money if the playerbase would be stable or larger than b4 the 90 day cards got removed.
Working as intended, I agree with adding 30 & 90 days GTC again but they won't reduce they prices, so these would be added with new prices proportional to current 60 days GTC. If anyone thinks they would change this he's a fool and should learn a bit of economics too. |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online |
Posted - 2008.09.30 19:01:00 - [ 29]
No. Bad idea.
Yes the GTCs are ridiculously priced... all you have to do is not buy them. Eventually those who want to get isk for gtc... will lower prices.
If people are still willing to buy at such a ridiculous price... then why would these gtc traders lower prices?
The claim that people are faking sales... is absurd. |
DEATHsyphon
Gallente
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE |
Posted - 2008.09.30 21:40:00 - [ 30]
Meh, Put up WTB orders and spam it in the "other" channel in the trade tab if your buying a couple at a time you can still get them for 350-400Mill |
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