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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2008.08.28 00:18:00 - [1]
 

Is there some data about the approximate average distance between stargates in high sec? Or some actual measurements? Or just qualified guesses?

Matalino
Posted - 2008.08.28 00:33:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Matalino on 28/08/2008 00:38:28
Here you can find a database export with all of the information that you need to compile statistics like that.

From that information I built a few tables of my own that allow me to make quick querries like those you mentioned.

For example, the extact average distance between solar system in secure space (high sec excluding those high sec systems that would require you to jump through low sec space) is 19.022356050502.

The most centrally located secure system is Kamio being an average of 12.5194570135747 jumps from any other secure system.

Jita is an average of 15.4343891402715 jumps from any other secure system and an average of 27.0103846153846 jumps from any system at all.

Or are you interested in the distance you need to travel via warp between stargates instead of the number of jumps that you need to travel between systems. If that is what you need, the data is also there for you to work with, but I don't have any readily available statistics.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2008.08.28 00:39:00 - [3]
 

Thanks, but that's not what I'm after. I'd like to know the average distance between stargates, as measured in AU. I expect it to be a value between 35 AU and 100 AU, but I have no idea whether it is close to one extreme or the other, or is somewhere in between.

Matalino
Posted - 2008.08.28 00:43:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Salpad
Thanks, but that's not what I'm after. I'd like to know the average distance between stargates, as measured in AU. I expect it to be a value between 35 AU and 100 AU, but I have no idea whether it is close to one extreme or the other, or is somewhere in between.

That actually sounds like an interesting puzzle.

I can find out the answer for you if you can give me a day or so to work on it.

Matalino
Posted - 2008.08.28 01:34:00 - [5]
 

It took alot less time than I expected to compile the results:

Average distance between stargates...

for all systems is 28.0023280160161 AU.

in high sec is 29.1060688125325 AU.

in low sec is 28.0997655515204 AU.

in null sec is 27.3981598202945 AU.

The longest distance between stargates...

for high sec is 179.014604718314 AU between the Gammel gate and the Jarkkolen gate in the Ronne system.

for low sec is 180.377713594644 AU between the Edani gate and the Tegheon gate in the Rilera system.

for null sec is 283.335202030139 AU between the H-PA29 gate and the BV-1JG gate in the 9-266Q system.

The shortest distance between stargates...

for high sec is 1919.44696035082 km between the Yeder gate and the Azerakish gate in the Asezai system.

for low sec is 1013.2944385518 km between the Meunvon gate and the Elore gate in the Yveve system.

for null sec is 378.741596342414 km between the Y-1W01 gate and the 9R4-EJ gate in the E-BWUU system.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2008.08.28 02:32:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Matalino
It took alot less time than I expected to compile the results:

Average distance between stargates...

for all systems is 28.0023280160161 AU.

in high sec is 29.1060688125325 AU.

in low sec is 28.0997655515204 AU.

in null sec is 27.3981598202945 AU.



Thanks a lot, that's very helpful.

You see, the reason I asked is because I spend a lot of time "driving" a Freighter, and they are painfully slow. They warp at only 0.7 AU/second (I kid you not!), and since they only fly around 80 m/s (again, I kid you not!!!) they take ages to autopilot from 15 km and to the stargate.

Based on that, I wanted to try to calculate the average time spent per jump, on autopilot, for a Freighter.

The only data point I haven't got is align time, but I am pretty sure that 30 seconds isn't too much (again: I kid you not. Freighter are absurdly slow). So I'll base my calculated estimate on that:

Align time = 30 seconds
Flying 30 AU at 0.7 AU/s = 43 seconds
Flying 12500 meters at 80 m/s = 156 seconds
Total time = 3.8 minutes

The only unknown factor is the align time, and it can easily be worse, but even if it is much worse, we're "only" looking at 5 minutes per jump, on autopilot.

(And note that much of that time is saved if you warp manually, instead of using the autopilot. Also, new players should know that Freighters carrying valuable cargoes risk getting suicide-ganked in high-sec.)


Anyway, thanks for the data, and I hope you or someone else finds my calculation useful.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2008.08.28 02:35:00 - [7]
 

Actually, if it isn't too much trouble for you, could you calculate the farthest distance and shortest distance if you ignore the few most extreme cases? Say, ignoring the 1st percentile and the 99th percentile. (Or 3st and 97th percentile if you are so inclined; Or even just the 10 highest and 10 lowest values. I trust you get my drift.)

I personally have no use for such data, but it might be neat to know some day.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.08.28 03:15:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Salpad
Align time = 30 seconds
Flying 30 AU at 0.7 AU/s = 43 seconds
Flying 12500 meters at 80 m/s = 156 seconds
Total time = 3.8 minutes

The only unknown factor is the align time, and it can easily be worse, but even if it is much worse, we're "only" looking at 5 minutes per jump, on autopilot.


As you have already noticed, autopilot (needs more or less) 3 minutes per jump just for aligning and approaching the gate, about 4 minutes total on average.
Comparing that to the a-bit-over-a-minute average time spent aligning and warping manually, you must have already come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter how far these gates are, now does it ?
The only thing that really matters is actually being at the helm and manually piloting this monster... by a factor of (again, on average) of about three.

Just go with one and a half manual, four autopilot.
It's pretty damned close.
Of course, averages mean jack if your route is the complete opposite due to the fact you have a serious amount of higher-than-average gates on your path.


Therefore, while (to some degree, statistically speaking) this thread might be interesting, for whatever purposes you are trying to use those conclusions, it's an exercise in futility.

Matalino
Posted - 2008.08.28 04:38:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Salpad
Actually, if it isn't too much trouble for you, could you calculate the farthest distance and shortest distance if you ignore the few most extreme cases?
For secure systems, ignoring the longest and shortest 5% of jumps, taking the average of the mean 90%, the average distance between stargates is 26.7907383305976 AU.

Anything else I can do for you?

AdmiralDovolski
Gallente
do you
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.08.28 19:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: AdmiralDovolski on 28/08/2008 19:48:17
Edited by: AdmiralDovolski on 28/08/2008 19:47:56
Edited by: AdmiralDovolski on 28/08/2008 19:47:18
Originally by: Matalino
It took alot less time than I expected to compile the results:


The longest distance between stargates...

for high sec is 179.014604718314 AU between the Gammel gate and the Jarkkolen gate in the Ronne system.

for low sec is 180.377713594644 AU between the Edani gate and the Tegheon gate in the Rilera system.

for null sec is 283.335202030139 AU between the H-PA29 gate and the BV-1JG gate in the 9-266Q system.



i have to say, that system was horrible for me. tried doing it in my 45AUatfullcharge arazu. /takeanapwarp Crying or Very sad

edits: forgot to put another backet on end quote


 

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