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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2008.08.28 16:04:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Aramova
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
And yes you can lose your barge to an industrial or a noob ship, and don't stand a chance to a T1 frigate.


You never saw my fleet Hulk setup have you? Kills ceptors and frigs dead. Seriously...


Only if they are dumb enough to enter webrange no?

When I was in FW I found a Caldari militia Hulk in a neutral region that my improved shuttle (a Raptor) could not kill otoh. Packing seldom any close range ammo didn't help my case.

Nigel Sheldon
Caldari
Skaro Mining Reborn
Posted - 2008.08.28 16:05:00 - [62]
 

I must admit that I will never ever understand why pirates pick on obvious noobs, are you really trying to force people away from the game, thus making ccps's takings go down to (MAYBE) a point where it is unviable to continue producing the game.
Yes it's a pirates way of making money, but seriously how much can you make from these poor noobs, you would make much more mission running!
When you are noob and getting up and running in the first place it's hard enough to make the game enjoyable, but then to pick on them, ganking them and playing dirty tricks on them is damn right unfair...yes it's a cruel world and everything, but come on! The more people play the game, the better it will get cause ccp will have more iskies to play with...forcing noobs out of the game only goes against developing a better game for all.
Personally I think noobs should be given a certain sector in space where they can learn the game and mine LOW ISK stuff so they can get their foot in the game..yes this will cause a lot of idiot pirates grief, but the more people who play the game the better it will become.

But like I said, it's a cruel world for noobs....pirates in my opinon are just cowards who aren't good enough to be in fleet combat!


Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2008.08.28 16:12:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Nigel Sheldon
The more people play the game, the better it will get cause ccp will have more iskies to play with...forcing noobs out of the game only goes against developing a better game for all.



After 2+ years of seeing the population growing and the game worsening (lag mostly) excuse me if I put down the pink tinted shades. Population lowering would improve the game (lag) and the customer service (petition answer time) for one. Would be a nice wake up call for CCP too.

Valan
Posted - 2008.08.28 16:15:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Aramova
Originally by: Atlas Elestra

note CCP considers Jetcan mining an EXPLOIT....

Which is prolly why the can flipping tactic is what it is...



lol, and where did you get that notion from? Rolling Eyes

What else is an exploit? Guns in highsec? Are we going to get a Brady Bill passed in Jita?




CCP didn't declare it an exploit because they couldn't come up with an alternative and everyone does it because lets face mining is seriously tedious.

It was declared an unintended game mechanic hence if you jettison something into space someone else can steal it. Carebears whined that people were stealing with no reprisal so CCP implemented flagging.

If you want to keep things in space use a secure can.

There have been a lot of unintended game mechanics in the past and CCP declare them exploits or not on a whim. Seems if you're well connected you get away with it.


Roymundo
Caldari
Malevolence.
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2008.08.28 17:24:00 - [65]
 

i'm new to this. is it possible to flip the can, move the contents, and then dock for the 15 mins untill the theft you die notice is gone. am i right that you can then go and retrieve that ore as your own without consequence?

Tiberius Maddox
Posted - 2008.08.28 17:47:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Kira Novia
I'm gone to Kisogo, flipped a new-players can, kill them, explained to them why and how it happened, and then purchased them a brand new mining frig with the best t1 frig gear for mining.

Am I griefing or teaching?

You decide.


Gee, I wish someone would teach me some lessons on battleships like that. I could use some new stuff! Smile

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2008.08.28 19:14:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Roymundo
i'm new to this. is it possible to flip the can, move the contents, and then dock for the 15 mins untill the theft you die notice is gone. am i right that you can then go and retrieve that ore as your own without consequence?


It's pretty unlikely than a "colleague" or the original owner won't have dealt with it by then tbh. And if it is about the ore, just steal in a hauler, but frankly swapping and docking for 15 minutes... Mine it yourself.

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2008.08.28 22:38:00 - [68]
 

Flipping cans in 1.0 systems is actually petitionable. Its considered griefing by GMs.

-Karl

MaidMarion
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.08.28 23:15:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: MaidMarion on 28/08/2008 23:18:11
Originally by: Atlas Elestra

note CCP considers Jetcan mining an EXPLOIT....

Which is prolly why the can flipping tactic is what it is...



Exploit - NO.

Unintended game mechanic - yes.

This is why CCP condones can flipping outside starter systems.

How to tell your cans been flipped - it changes color to yellow, no?
Not sure if open window representing can closes when you been flipped, but it should.. (haven't had the privilege in awhile).


5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2008.08.28 23:44:00 - [70]
 

I don't know where people come up with all these made up rules.

- Can baiting is petitionable

- Can flipping is not.

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Personally I have no problem with people can flipping, the only thing I consider below the belt is looking in starter academy system belts for targets.

- If the person in question is such a noob they're not likely putting a jetcan to full use, that's what giant secure containers are for.

- Get your alt to sit next to you and store the ore for you, CCP like metagamers as they pay for more accounts.

- Why are you mining anyway? It's incredibly boring and incredibly unprofitable. the time/isk ratio for it is totally broken like a lot of things in this game. Go do missions like everyone else and their mother.

GM Krymus

Posted - 2008.08.29 00:23:00 - [71]
 

To provide some much needed clarification on this topic - doing anything to trick new players into situations where you can destroy their ships in a rookie system isn't allowed (can flipping and leaving cans outside the station undock with 'free stuff!' would both fall under this, for example'). If you encounter such a thing going on, please petition it as soon as possible under 'harassment' so that we can look into it.

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2008.08.29 00:35:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: GM Krymus
To provide some much needed clarification on this topic - doing anything to trick new players into situations where you can destroy their ships in a rookie system isn't allowed (can flipping and leaving cans outside the station undock with 'free stuff!' would both fall under this, for example'). If you encounter such a thing going on, please petition it as soon as possible under 'harassment' so that we can look into it.


Glad to see it confirmed. Again. Thanks.

Tiirae
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.08.29 00:39:00 - [73]
 

Lamb Korma, tbh.

DMAN666vic
Posted - 2008.08.29 02:46:00 - [74]
 

Nasty trick

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.08.29 03:07:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Aramova
Originally by: Atlas Elestra
note CCP considers Jetcan mining an EXPLOIT...


lol, and where did you get that notion from? Rolling Eyes


CCP has said that they did not intend for jet cans to be used as temporary ore storage. Having infinite free huge containers for mining that weren't intended is technically an exploit. It's just that CCP hasn't changed it and tolerates the exploit.


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