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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:06:00 - [61]
 

According to the rules, you can't even do it in jest.

Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited.
You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.


I have someone that has done this for months now. I had not petitioned it because I had no clue it was against the rules.

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:06:00 - [62]
 

I'm reminded of the, "I'm your CEO's alt" scams. I don't know why, I just am.

Maybe it's the classic:

Scammer: "I'm your CEO's alt, please loan me 1 billion ISK so I can do [whatever], and I'll pay you back tomorrow when I can access the corp's wallet."

Player: "Um, I AM an alt of the CEO, and I'm pretty sure I'm not you, because I didn't type what you just did."

Richard Angevian
The Crusaders.
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:09:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Richard Angevian
Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)



FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.


If you are smart, and plan things in advance, you can move isk without any possibility of CCP being able to take it from the party that received it. Been there, done that :)

Bottom line is that they never should have intervened in this case in the first place. An idiot who didn't bother to do ANY checking on a transaction in which he was going to spend BILLIONS is someone who deserves to be scammed, and who would have fallen prey to ANY scam.

People pretending to be what they aren't or pretending to be someone else is how every con job ever pulled off has been played. If con jobs of any sort in EVE is sanctioned (and far bigger ones than this have been) this one should be.

Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move.

If I ever bought a mothership from someone not in my own alliance, you can be damn sure I'd use Chribba, and yes, I'd take the effort to make sure that not only was it the authentic one, I'd research the background of the seller too.

That's the bare minimum effort that the "victim" in this case should have taken, didn't, got taken.

BTW, name and shame the "victim". I think he deserves some ridicule.




EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:15:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Richard Angevian
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Richard Angevian
Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)



FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.


If you are smart, and plan things in advance, you can move isk without any possibility of CCP being able to take it from the party that received it. Been there, done that :)

Bottom line is that they never should have intervened in this case in the first place. An idiot who didn't bother to do ANY checking on a transaction in which he was going to spend BILLIONS is someone who deserves to be scammed, and who would have fallen prey to ANY scam.

People pretending to be what they aren't or pretending to be someone else is how every con job ever pulled off has been played. If con jobs of any sort in EVE is sanctioned (and far bigger ones than this have been) this one should be.

Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move.

If I ever bought a mothership from someone not in my own alliance, you can be damn sure I'd use Chribba, and yes, I'd take the effort to make sure that not only was it the authentic one, I'd research the background of the seller too.

That's the bare minimum effort that the "victim" in this case should have taken, didn't, got taken.

BTW, name and shame the "victim". I think he deserves some ridicule.






Well i wasn't going to name the victim as I thought he took it on the chin like a man. He obviously didn't and ran crying to CCP. So here's a tip Last King......DO YOUR RESEARCH.

EVECitizen

GM Krymus

Posted - 2008.08.13 23:17:00 - [65]
 

To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.

Regards,

GM Krymus

Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:18:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 13/08/2008 23:18:45
Originally by: Richard Angevian

Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move.



Given that this has been their policy since the beginning of EVE, I don't think we're in any harm of the world ending here.

Edit: Keep up the good work GM Krymus =)

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:22:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: GM Krymus
Blah blah we love carebears


I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.

EVECITIZEN

Jimer Lins
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:23:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus
Blah blah we love carebears


I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.

EVECITIZEN


Not your decision. The EULA's been around for a long time, and that part of it hasn't changed in many years.


Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:24:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus
Blah blah we love carebears


I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.

EVECITIZEN


There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:26:00 - [70]
 

you all are making my forum spy go wild with sending me notices Laughing

As for the topic, impersonating players have been forbidden in the EULA since years back, no question about it.

Nice bio you got... did you come up with that one yourself? Ahh no you copied mine, ok.


EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:26:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus
Blah blah we love carebears


I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.

EVECITIZEN


Not your decision. The EULA's been around for a long time, and that part of it hasn't changed in many years.




When did I say it was my decision. I'm only expressing my point of view.

EVECitizen

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:30:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Chribba
you all are making my forum spy go wild with sending me notices Laughing

As for the topic, impersonating players have been forbidden in the EULA since years back, no question about it.

Nice bio you got... did you come up with that one yourself? Ahh no you copied mine, ok.




Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community.

EVECitizen

Tassadar Beta
Amarr
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:30:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743


I got caught, halp! whine! its not fair! I should be allowed to violate the EULA!

EVECitizen


I know what I'd like to violate


EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:31:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus
Blah blah we love carebears


I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.

EVECITIZEN


There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay.


As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently?

EVECitizen

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community.

EVECitizen
I heard it was more fun that way, guess I was lied to Razz

And yeah the information is valuable indeed, and hopefully preventional as well as like said, it could be a viable way to get banned. So don't impersonate people, build your own reputation instead of leeching off others.

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus
Blah blah we love carebears


I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.

EVECITIZEN


There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay.


As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently?

EVECitizen

Because impersonating a character based on a similar name or claiming to be an alt of them is an out-of-game method.

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Tassadar Beta
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743


I got caught, halp! whine! its not fair! I should be allowed to violate the EULA!

EVECitizen


I know what I'd like to violate




Don't be shy what would you like to violate?

EVECitizen

Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:33:00 - [78]
 

so if a bunch of characters get their names changes to "EVECitizen#######" would they not technically be impersonating each other?? like if one becomes a well-known trader, the others with names only different by a few numbers could scam his customers...

EVECitizen19821743
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:35:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: EVECitizen19821743 on 13/08/2008 23:34:51
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community.

EVECitizen
I heard it was more fun that way, guess I was lied to Razz

And yeah the information is valuable indeed, and hopefully preventional as well as like said, it could be a viable way to get banned. So don't impersonate people, build your own reputation instead of leeching off others.


Haha leech off you. I couldn't think of anything more boring than facilitating trades for other people. I wasn't doing it for the reputation :)

EVECitizen

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 - [80]
 

Do not pyramid quote - Mitnal

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: GM Krymus
To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.

Regards,

GM Krymus


What about parodies? For example, Ginger Magician and Ginger Maggotician. Look up the portraits, it's quite well done. Someone obviously got ganked. Razz

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 - [82]
 

I would like to remind you youngsters that impersonating other players (and NPCs) has been against the rules since the dawn of the game. So please none of that "EVE is turning care bear" crap.

Matalino
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:37:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently?
Reputation is about the only thing you have in-game with any real value.

Barring impersonation is the only way to maintain that value.

If you want to run a scam based on built up trust, you need to build that trust yourself.

Read up on the greatest scams in Eve, they were all pulled by first establishing trust, not impersonating it.

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:38:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently?
Reputation is about the only thing you have in-game with any real value.

Barring impersonation is the only way to maintain that value.

If you want to run a scam based on built up trust, you need to build that trust yourself.

Read up on the greatest scams in Eve, they were all pulled by first establishing trust, not impersonating it.


WHERE THE HECK YOU BEEN MAN?Surprised Long time no see, nice to see some of the old regulars back Very Happy

Matalino
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:43:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Tortun Nahme
WHERE THE HECK YOU BEEN MAN?Surprised Long time no see, nice to see some of the old regulars back Very Happy
Back??? I never left. Maybe we have just been visiting different sub-forums.

Panzerr
Gallente
Capra Cu Trei Iezi
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:46:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Davina Braben
Quote:
Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail.


Twaddle.



Attempted murder = you try, you fail. you go to jail.

next time read it twice before trying to be smart Wink

Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:47:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
WHERE THE HECK YOU BEEN MAN?Surprised Long time no see, nice to see some of the old regulars back Very Happy
Back??? I never left. Maybe we have just been visiting different sub-forums.


oh... well... uh Hi! lol

Gottii
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:48:00 - [88]
 

Moral of the story...never use Chribba's name in vain...


Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:51:00 - [89]
 

me thinks is about time to lock this thread...

OP admitted to doing this (impersonating) for the sole purpose of scamming..twice....

and yeah, CCP's EULA (which been around forever) says no inpersonating...

in your case you admitted to waiting for the real one to log off, and then does your thing with some "social engineering" AKA manipulation.


the only thing going on now is OP and one (?) person doesnt like this....


but yeah... CCP's rules... from the beginning....


not much to argue there.... other than petitioning CCP to get rid of the EULA =P ...


but yeah, good luck with that XD


Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.08.13 23:51:00 - [90]
 

If you don't know Chribba well enough to know what corporation and alliance he is in you have no business using him as a middleman, wth kind of pansyassing is this coming here crying about you not knowing whom you gave your stuff?


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