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CCP Taera

Posted - 2008.08.12 16:23:00 - [1]
 

In the next few weeks our forum will undergo the same refining process that turns Veldspar into Tritanium. These changes will bring new additions, subtractions, mergers and more; you can read all about it in my first dev blog, Forums Refined. We hope these changes make it easier to use, browse, and enjoy our forum.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2008.08.12 16:36:00 - [2]
 

Quote:

And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab.



OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions).

Wrayeth
EdgeGamers
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2008.08.12 16:39:00 - [3]
 

Looks good. It'll be interesting to see how it will affect discussion. I know, at the very least, that it will stop all the CAOD whining about FW topics. Cool

Oh, and it will be interesting to see what happens when Dark Shikari returns and tries to figure out where things are. Laughing

Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.12 16:51:00 - [4]
 

So just reshuffling, no real new features...

Alz Shado
EverFlow
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:03:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Alz Shado on 19/08/2008 14:43:02
One day, even the forum pictures will work as advertised.

Letouk Mernel
Caldari
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:07:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: CCP Taera
the same refining process that turns Veldspar into Tritanium


Hopefully not the exact same process. Turning Veldspar into Tritanium always results in loss of Tritanium, regardless of how good the facilities are, or how mad the skills.

It would be nice if you guys re-organize the Information Portal forum: between the stickyfied posts and the posts with lots of replies and on-going discussion, it's difficult to find the new announcements or figure out what's new and what's old news. It would be nice if that forum got sorted by the date of the original (dev) post, rather than the date of the last (player) reply, but that's probably not possible.

Cesar Malari
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Quote:

And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab.



OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions).

Also for data dump questions and the like. "EVE Technology Lab" has basically become the hangout for all of us "third-party developers" to hang out and swap ideas on using the API, data dumps, and occasionally the cache to do cool things.

Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar
Amarr Will Eat Itself
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:18:00 - [8]
 

Quote:

And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab.


That was the most useful forum section you had! Sad

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Taera
And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for EveTV and the PvP Championships....

Should we take this as an indication that EVE TV and the Championship tournaments have been discontinued?

This is a very active section when the tournament is on, and there really is no other section on your new list that is suitable....

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:25:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Quote:

And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab.



OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions).

QFT

Bad Bad Bad decision on CCPs part. API is GROWING and needs the support of these forums to continue. If you start pushing API and tech related threads that are, you know, useful, into other forums they will be swamped by the general trash that exists everywhere else. Combine that with the uselessness of the search feature and it makes everyone's lives harder. Keep the forum, put it at the bottom or the tech area, and support 3rd party endeavors.

Ix Forres
Caldari
Righteous Chaps
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:35:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Salvis Tallan

QFT

Bad Bad Bad decision on CCPs part. API is GROWING and needs the support of these forums to continue. If you start pushing API and tech related threads that are, you know, useful, into other forums they will be swamped by the general trash that exists everywhere else. Combine that with the uselessness of the search feature and it makes everyone's lives harder. Keep the forum, put it at the bottom or the tech area, and support 3rd party endeavors.


QFT on the QFT. This really, really needs reconsidering. Archives of techlab discussions are invaluable to 3rd party developers and artists, amongst other parties. Pushing 3rd party devs to a 3rd party forum is hardly going to breed discussion between CCP and 3rd party devs- a rift that appears to be growing rapidly, not shrinking.

TornSoul
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:36:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: TornSoul on 12/08/2008 17:39:24
Edited by: TornSoul on 12/08/2008 17:35:56
Agree on keeping "EVE Technology Lab" for API and 3rd party stuff.


And a BIG no to merging "Events" with "Player Gatherings and Events".
Merging ingame events with out of game stuff... Just... Dont.
Those two sides needs to be kept seperate.

Would you even contemplate merging "Out of Pod Experience" with "EVE General Discussion"? I think not.

Not to mention that we arent excactly swimming in ingame related events, now you want them to drown betweeen of all things out of game player gatherings????

Please dont cross that line... (mixing ingame with out of game stuff)


Blackhorizon
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:38:00 - [13]
 

CAOD going in-character, if enforced, I suspect Warfare and Tactics will become the new cesspool.


DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:40:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: DubanFP on 12/08/2008 17:08:51
The new Crime & punishment description

Crime & Punishment
Warn others of the latest scam, hire a mercenary to seek revenge or brag about your kills. This is the place to discuss the criminal elements of EVE.


Whoever wrote that probably isn't very active on the C&P forums. C&P is made up almost entirely of pirates, criminals, scammers and warriors. There's some anti-piracy and anti-scam but that's a very small portion of it. It's written from a "carebear" perspective and puts too much emphasis on the punishment side.


It needs to be more true to its community and start on the Crime side with a little bit of punishment. Carebear newbies are going to walk in, whine, and then get flamed to hell. The description should be more direct about it. Maybe something like


Crime & Punishment
Piracy, scams, mercenaries, and more. Carebears beware; C&P invokes the dark side of EVE's nature

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.08.12 17:43:00 - [15]
 

Here's the issue I have gathered so far.

Dapanman1
Amarr
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
The InterBus Initiative
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:04:00 - [16]
 

So Alliance Tournament dead?

Vessper
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:09:00 - [17]
 

I just want to reiterate what others have stated in that getting rid of the Eve Technology Lab is a really bad idea. Although the thread count isn't all that great, the information it (already) contains within is invaluable to 3rd party developers. It also gives people a place to look for help and advice on the API, data exports and Eve based tools.

Looking through the new layout, I fail to see anywhere appropriate for such threads to go - there's nowhere in the "Eve Technology" section and I'm sure we don't want to be posting in the swamp that will soon become "My Eve".

Whoever thought of this change, could you please give serious consideration in leaving the Eve Technology Lab as it is?

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:09:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
  • Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussions
    From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases this is the in-character political center for all things corporate.



"In-character"? Does that mean it's now the Intergalactic Corporations, Alliance and Organization Summit forum?

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:24:00 - [19]
 

Still no merger between the idea forum and the assembly hall? They're basically the same, why post in the idea forum when you can just hop on and spam the assembly?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:38:00 - [20]
 

Please don't kill the EVE Technology Lab.

Sirius Problem
Darkness Inc.
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:45:00 - [21]
 

FORUM NERF!!

Time to cancel meh subscription Wink


Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:48:00 - [22]
 

So where the hell is EVE Tech Lab stuff going to go? are they just writing off any interaction with 3rd party developers?

Also where are the threads in the graveyard forums going? where are they getting moved to?

Illusori
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:56:00 - [23]
 

EVE Tech Lab is the only forum I read, it's invaluable in developing third party tools, finding out about other people's tools, making use of the API, and the data export, all of which contribute hugely to the large number of exceptional fansites that EVE has.

Removing this community or causing it to splinter into a number of non-official forums is a mind-bogglingly stupid decision, please reconsider it, or at the least give us an explanation that makes sense regarding its removal, one that we can understand: that there is a sane business reason why removing the forum is worth the damage it will do to an enthusiastic and creative part of your playerbase, who invest their time (and money, given we pay to host sites) to promote and accompany your game.

I find myself quite quite bemused by this decision, I'm just hoping the decision has been made in error.

Matalino
Posted - 2008.08.12 18:57:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Sky Grunthor
So where the hell is EVE Tech Lab stuff going to go? are they just writing off any interaction with 3rd party developers?
This!

I haven't heard a worse idea since you removed the buy/sell order forums!

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2008.08.12 19:20:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Chribba on 12/08/2008 19:20:26
Veldspar.. Trit? What?!

To compensate that loss I'm going to turn Trit into Veld over at EVE-Search!

And on topic; Will the forum ID's be changed or modified in any way with the exception of mergers?

edit/And the structure posted in the blog - is it final?

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.08.12 19:22:00 - [26]
 

woo for some changes to the front end, now what about the rear end will I get logged out when trying to respond to a post or will I continue to ctrl+c all of my replies?

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.08.12 19:23:00 - [27]
 

oh and will there be any updated to the rules? as I know c&p tends to have lots of chat logs and killmails neither of which are allowedQuestion

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.08.12 19:36:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Tonto Auri on 12/08/2008 19:37:13
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
Quote:

And finally, several of our forums make their way to the forum graveyard. All readers please take a moment of silence for [...] EVE Technology Lab.



OK, which other forum should be used for API related questions from that point on? EVE Tech Lab was the de facto EVE API forum. None of the remaining forums do seem to be appropriated for API questions (judging from their descriptions).


This. Are you going to kill most used first-hand information source about API programming?
Have you consulted with brain when doing this removal?
Or does that means CCP will discontinue API support at all?

Dztrgovac
Posted - 2008.08.12 19:40:00 - [29]
 

Zomfg they nerfed even the forums.

Ephemeral Waves
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2008.08.12 20:14:00 - [30]
 

Quote:
Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussions
From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases this is the in-character political center for all things corporate.


Since when is CAOD an "in-character" forum?


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