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Bruce Deorum
Minmatar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:04:00 - [ 61]
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.08.04 21:05:00 - [ 62]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 04/08/2008 21:08:17Edited by: Cpt Branko on 04/08/2008 21:07:33 Originally by: Dmitri Vasso
If you're gonna fly minmatar BS, I'd say the only way to go is a Maelstrom..
8x800mm's (or 7+heavy neut), 1x mwd, 1x webber (maybe shield boost amp instead of either mwd or webber, mwd really doesnt work well with such a heavy ship), 1x XL shield booster, 1x disruptor, 1x invul, 1x cap booster (fit 800's)
in lows u fit gyro's, tracking enhacners and dmg control, maybe a single PDU for the bonus'.
Naturally, said setup doesn't tank nearly as much as people say, because you're using three mids to tank. So you get a what, 500 DPS tank, if you rig it with shield resist rigs (if you rig it with falloffs, you get a loltank), with **** effective HP (oh, hai, 66K eff HP with shield resist rigs, awesome effective HP for a battleship). Solo-capable Maelstroms are failboats. Get that through your head. Originally by: The Djego
Sweet! A 1k tank!!!!!
How many ships does it take two negate that tank enough so that one more ship can just pretend you dont have a tank?
1 Gank mega (will beat you slowly with no help at all) 1200 dps easy to get.
2x Ishtar (will nullify you tank at range with sentry drones, 1 more will melt you)
2x Deimoses (will melt you at 1300 - 1400 dps combined)
4x Thoraxes (my t1 fit thorax does 400 dps and costs 8 mil)
And none of your friends will be able to help you with your small buffer. 1 on 1 you might be ok.
Hello, any solo-capable Maelstorm fit has a 500 DPS tank. Not 1000. Unless you're soloing by having honourable duels in high-sec without warp outs or transversal tanking or anything dirty like that. I have a gank Rupture (800 plated, not the one you fought on SISI) which does 500 DPS. It's not that much of a tank, you know. Also, your battleship being outbuffered by a HAM gank Drake is just embarrasing  |
Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2008.08.04 21:10:00 - [ 63]
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.08.04 21:12:00 - [ 64]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
[x] Random troll trying to be funny (Astrophobic in this one, as well as every other thread)
He's genuinely funny, and you're just a troll with a list. Was funny the first time around ;P |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:20:00 - [ 65]
Not trolling, spreading knowledge. BTW, your list is overdone, overused, and not funny.
There's a fine line between trolling and constantly posting things that you don't want to hear, but they're accurate. Guess which side I'm on. |
Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:26:00 - [ 66]
Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 04/08/2008 21:32:35
One of the more interesting setups (Tempest) I've fought against had Autocannons, Neutralizers, ECM Burst and ECM drones; it takes you out of the fight a lot until you can clear the drones (pulled him off station and *pop*, still a very close fight though)...
But I suppose 1 vs 1's don't happen anymore right? ;) |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:32:00 - [ 67]
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
One of the more interesting setups I've fought against had Autocannons, Neutralizers, ECM Burst and ECM drones; it takes you out of the fight a lot until you can clear the drones (pulled him off station and *pop*, still a very close fight though)...
But I suppose 1 vs 1's don't happen anymore right? ;)
Nope. |
Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:34:00 - [ 68]
I suppose I'm not really here either.... (  ) |
Aleus Stygian |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:35:00 - [ 69]
Edited by: Aleus Stygian on 05/08/2008 02:55:59 Originally by: AstroPhobic
Nope.
Who the Hell are you talking to? |
Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.08.04 21:36:00 - [ 70]
Originally by: Aleus Stygian
Who the Hell are you talking to?
Who the hell are you talking to? Quoting imaginary stuff is silly. |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:36:00 - [ 71]
Edited by: AstroPhobic on 04/08/2008 21:37:04 Originally by: Gabriel Karade
I suppose I'm not really here either....
()
It's such a small fraction of BS combat it's nearly irrelevant. Station games are completely different than your average fights anyway. Edit: lols at Aleus + Branko  |
Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:45:00 - [ 72]
*has had all your momma's, but none of you can see this he he heh... Not just stations, gates, albeit riskier these days with general roaming gangs you see around (particularly Russians  ). Anyway, 1 Cetus ECM burst gives you up to a 33% chance of breaking another BS lock, combined with ECM drones it can be quite nasty. |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp |
Posted - 2008.08.04 21:52:00 - [ 73]
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
*has had all your momma's, but none of you can see this he he heh...
Not just stations, gates, albeit riskier these days with general roaming gangs you see around (particularly Russians ).
Anyway, 1 Cetus ECM burst gives you up to a 33% chance of breaking another BS lock, combined with ECM drones it can be quite nasty.
The big difference between stations and gates is there's another side to a gate, and there's a repair station inside of the station. If you're really serious about station games though, get a scorpion with a few racial (all the same race, ofc) jammers and full-on gank/buffer. Worst case, you miss a cycle and dock. |
Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.08.04 21:54:00 - [ 74]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
The big difference between stations and gates is there's another side to a gate, and there's a repair station inside of the station. If you're really serious about station games though, get a scorpion with a few racial (all the same race, ofc) jammers and full-on gank/buffer. Worst case, you miss a cycle and dock.
Speaking of station games, before the FW blobs came, Tama used to be fun. A station kicking you off 5km away from dock range - amazingly fun. I got my Rupture killed there by a Moros + rapier once (well, I actually engaged, tried to melt the Rapier). Now that's taking station camping seriously ;) |
Typhado3
Minmatar |
Posted - 2008.08.05 02:39:00 - [ 75]
Originally by: Brugar
Originally by: Aleus Stygian
Artillery is crap. Mass is crap. Target painters are Double ******. And our capitals are, and have always been, utter and purposefully devised crap.
/sigh
I have 32 million skill points, ALL for Minmatar ships. I am truely sickened by this crap of CCP making Minmatar the space bytches of EVE. This next patch determines if I stay or not.
Seriously.
2 and a half years. That is a long time to pay a company to get nothing.
CCP has the next move.
My advice, think about what type of style you play in games (completely ignoring eve, just what style you enjoy regardless of game) then pick which race you like the backstory/feel of. Now you know what sort of pilot to train for, it means that your gonna get hit by random nerfing a fair bit still and you won't be able to compete with the fotm ppl, but at least it's better than training for something then having it crushed then training for something else and having it crushed etc. as for how this worked out for me.... I chose minmatar support/sniper and industrial......  lucky I love mining while working on assignments. As for complaining about the sad state of minmatar. Go for it as it's the only way ccp will actually decide to balance things (worked for nano whiners, I was among the whiners there). As for the ops advice on how to fit a minmatar bs, I'd recomend training up the skills for a typhoon as it is a very useful ship once you have the skills for all it's weapon systems. |
Zarnak Wulf |
Posted - 2008.08.05 03:44:00 - [ 76]
Quick point here: Rupture and Thorax are both very nice cruisers. Each one has a fan base that argues it's the best. If you asked the other side they would at least acknowledge the other's cruiser is a nice one. We don't see that argument even close to happening w/ a Minmatar BS. Damage scaling for weapon sizes might be an issue. Or tracking scaling. Anyways, have any devs put in one way or another their opinion? A "we're looking into it" or a "STFU" would be nice. Either way it would be an answer...  |
Aleus Stygian |
Posted - 2008.08.05 04:29:00 - [ 77]
Originally by: Zarnak Wulf
Anyways, have any devs put in one way or another their opinion? A "we're looking into it" or a "STFU" would be nice. Either way it would be an answer...
They seem to be reading the forum, but not responding where the real ideas are... |
Sal Alo
Minmatar
Pane e Panelle
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:00:00 - [ 78]
"wreck you was and wreck you'll be" |
Trojanman190
D00M.
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2008.08.05 16:31:00 - [ 79]
Edited by: Trojanman190 on 05/08/2008 16:31:51 Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
One of the more interesting setups I've fought against had Autocannons, Neutralizers, ECM Burst and ECM drones; it takes you out of the fight a lot until you can clear the drones (pulled him off station and *pop*, still a very close fight though)...
But I suppose 1 vs 1's don't happen anymore right? ;)
Nope.
Nope. That was you and the station versus him. In order to try to get an edge he had to take agro from the station since, ecm burst (last time i checked) was aoe and hitting a station pirate flags you. If he still almost killed you it sounds like you must have had agro as well or were (I dont mean to be mean) not fit properly / didn't know what you were doing. Unless of course this was an outpost. But even in 0.0 npc stations fire back when agroed. That I have seen personally. |
chinnychinchin |
Posted - 2008.08.05 16:49:00 - [ 80]
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