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Topic |
Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
Bloody Amarr's
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:16:00 - [ 1]
Drake passive shield tank is way too powerfull 750dps tanked forever and 400 dps given. If only it got incresed dps and give 1 more medium slot and some cpu, i would call it best bs in game. Doomsday proof, recharges so fast.
Sollution is to narf passive recharging of shield. Remove 2 low slots add power grid and +1 med slot in order to effectivly fit shield booster, cap booster and heavy assault missiles. |
Dendo Ordoss
Black Legion Command
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:21:00 - [ 2]
best way would be to remove passive recharge all the way if u ask me.
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Dzajic
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:11:00 - [ 3]
CCP tried something but ended nerfing BC shield recharge time only slightly. Just hit it with the nerf sledgehammer like you love so much CCP. |
Jeirth
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:23:00 - [ 4]
Edited by: Jeirth on 26/07/2008 17:25:06
Okay drake, has a great SHIELD tank, if you use all the mids and most of the lows for it, and then really only if its got rigs too.
This means its not going to run around with web and scram or web and disruptor without nerfing its tank, something that doesnt happen to armour tankers.
This also means means the aggressor to the drake gets to dictate range and when to de-agress, drake isnt known for its handling or speediness is it.
Being a shield tank its got a great big hole in its resists right from the start.
PC's do a lot more damage than npc's and it only gets to use cruiser size weaponry.
No support
Edit: Oh and the drake is a battlecruiser not a battleship. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:38:00 - [ 5]
It's gotta use all its slots to do that. Yes, it is annoyingly hard to kill, but it can't do jack to the aggressor so it doesn't matter. |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari |
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:16:00 - [ 6]
Hint to the OP:
Ferox, Myrmi and Hurricane can all mount passive tanks almost as strong as the drake. And by almost as strong its within a couple of %.
Guess what? They can't kill anything either when setup that way...... |
Kazuma Saruwatari |
Posted - 2008.07.26 18:43:00 - [ 7]
What's a drake going to do with a super-passive tank setup? Nothing but blow spitwads at you.
Its the perfect bait-tank. In fact, it isnt a good bait-tank to begin with because everyone knows the Drake is going to be a tough nut to bust open to get to the pod, so why bother with it? |
Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED |
Posted - 2008.07.26 19:42:00 - [ 8]
the drake is fine |
LetsDoThis |
Posted - 2008.07.26 20:07:00 - [ 9]
Drake tank usually uses all midslots, lowslots, and rigslots.
I imagine if you did the same thing with other BC you'd have similar results. Like the prophecy. |
Kransthow
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2008.07.26 22:31:00 - [ 10]
It's Balanced cos the drake can't do **** |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2008.07.27 02:42:00 - [ 11]
Drake is fine. |
Silence Duegood |
Posted - 2008.07.27 03:08:00 - [ 12]
Drake is fine. The op, however, is not.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service |
Posted - 2008.07.27 03:11:00 - [ 13]
the drake is overrated. i tried it once. good tank, to be sure. but i could have done more damage to the enemy by getting out and widdling in their fuel tank. i don't know where you pulled 400DPS from. |
ranna sleeper
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 03:15:00 - [ 14]
god go figure, a minmatar player who's so far cried about drakes, missile vs gunnery train times, and pretty much any other caldari aspect of the game... cry more little girl cry more.
oh noez guys, a drake that's not screwed over by a neut barrage, a ship that can actually halfway tank like a bs at the cost of dps output, oh noez that's op.
being someone who started caldari and went with minmatar later on, i can see the strength of the drake, but i can also see the weekness |
Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service |
Posted - 2008.07.27 03:33:00 - [ 15]
 Originally by: ranna sleeper
god go figure, a minmatar player who's so far cried about drakes, missile vs gunnery train times, and pretty much any other caldari aspect of the game... cry more little girl cry more.
oh noez guys, a drake that's not screwed over by a neut barrage, a ship that can actually halfway tank like a bs at the cost of dps output, oh noez that's op.
being someone who started caldari and went with minmatar later on, i can see the strength of the drake, but i can also see the weekness
the scathingness is there, but you need to work on the delivery. your current method makes you look petulant ;) |
Lt Angus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 04:31:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Sir Substance
the drake is overrated. i tried it once. good tank, to be sure. but i could have done more damage to the enemy by getting out and widdling in their fuel tank. i don't know where you pulled 400DPS from.
2 dmg mods and heavy missiles and drones is 450 600dps with HAMs and 3 dmg mods |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2008.07.27 05:02:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Lt Angus
Originally by: Sir Substance
the drake is overrated. i tried it once. good tank, to be sure. but i could have done more damage to the enemy by getting out and widdling in their fuel tank. i don't know where you pulled 400DPS from.
2 dmg mods and heavy missiles and drones is 450
600dps with HAMs and 3 dmg mods
Show me a fitting with a tank that perma-sustains 750dps while doing 600dps and has the ability to stay in range to deal that dps and you have an argument. Otherwise, no. |
Lt Angus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.27 05:15:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Lt Angus on 27/07/2008 05:19:03Edited by: Lt Angus on 27/07/2008 05:17:38Edited by: Lt Angus on 27/07/2008 05:15:12 Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Lt Angus
Originally by: Sir Substance
the drake is overrated. i tried it once. good tank, to be sure. but i could have done more damage to the enemy by getting out and widdling in their fuel tank. i don't know where you pulled 400DPS from.
2 dmg mods and heavy missiles and drones is 450
600dps with HAMs and 3 dmg mods
Show me a fitting with a tank that perma-sustains 750dps while doing 600dps and has the ability to stay in range to deal that dps and you have an argument. Otherwise, no.
why would i want to perma sustain 750dps and i presented no argument appart from drake can and does do 450 dps but since you bring it up, 1 dmg mod, 3 SPR II, 3 large extender IIs, 2 invuln 1 photon 7 hml II and 3 purger rigs tanks 750 while doing 400dps of course useless and thats why the drake is ballenced |
GrandDad Trotter
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Posted - 2008.07.27 07:03:00 - [ 19]
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2008.07.27 07:06:00 - [ 20]
Welcome to a few nerfs ago. Ever try and do DPS in a passive tank drake? It's just like ubertanking a dominix, only not as dangerous. |
Valuv
Wraith.Wing
Wildly Inappropriate. |
Posted - 2008.07.27 14:18:00 - [ 21]
Edited by: Valuv on 27/07/2008 14:24:17 Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
Drake passive shield tank is way too powerfull 750dps tanked forever and 400 dps given. If only it got incresed dps and give 1 more medium slot and some cpu, i would call it best bs in game. Doomsday proof, recharges so fast.
Sollution is to narf passive recharging of shield. Remove 2 low slots add power grid and +1 med slot in order to effectivly fit shield booster, cap booster and heavy assault missiles.
You are full of fail. Show me a 750DPS tank passive drake with 400DPS. If you happen to post a setup, please dont show me setups without mwd or only tanking highest inherent shield resists and ignoring others. Drake is fine. |
ZhouXi |
Posted - 2008.07.27 18:18:00 - [ 22]
Wow, this post must have ignored every other post in existence about how terrible passive tanking is for pvp.
A Drake that is using a full-out passive tank has the following problems that balance it by making it embarrassing to bring to pvp:
A) It moves as slow and handles as well as some type of space snail, because all of its lows are filled with SPRs and possibly a BCU if they are willing to skimp on the tank, allowing enemies to fly circles around it. (Rig slots are also devoted to tanking.)
B) It is completely unable to stop enemies from warping away from it, web them, disrupt their tracking, jam them, or do anything else remotely useful, because it has devoted all of its mid slots to tanking. This means any enemy can freely disengage, while the drake pilot cries and wonders why he stinks at pvp.
c) It is so crappy, in fact, that it usually SURVIVES fleet pvp, because the enemy fleet commander knows that it has no means of hindering their fleet in any way, and its dps is relatively mediocre due to using low slots for tanking. Who calls a drake primary if it is obviously using a passive tanking setup? Might as well kill the useful ships first!
D) I'm sure there are many other facets I am overlooking about how this is completely balanced, as a passive setup basically makes a ship worthless in pvp, except as bait which was previously mentioned.
I vote not to 'narf' it. |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva |
Posted - 2008.07.27 18:30:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
Drake passive shield tank is way too powerfull 750dps tanked forever and 400 dps given. If only it got incresed dps and give 1 more medium slot and some cpu, i would call it best bs in game. Doomsday proof, recharges so fast.
Sollution is to narf passive recharging of shield. Remove 2 low slots add power grid and +1 med slot in order to effectivly fit shield booster, cap booster and heavy assault missiles.
You're grossly exagerating. Either you passive tank 750 dps, or you do 400 dps, but you don't do both at the same time. Unless you have a drake with 7 low slots? What need a nerf is Large Shield Extenders. Something like 350 pg (to be reduced to 262.5 pg with skills), and sig radius penalty replaced by a speed penalty, would do the trick. |
Mr Friendly
The Lost and The Damned |
Posted - 2008.07.27 19:34:00 - [ 24]
I was flying around in my passive shield tanked exploration-Drake the other day and got jumped by 3 guys. I almost got a Deimos kill, but he warped off... I almost got a Jag kill, but he warped off. Meanwhile, I couldn't kill the Myrm who had me locked down as my dps is awful in a passive set up... the Deimos pilot came back in an Ishtar and killed me with Praetors (lol).
The most I could do was harass them and make it expensive to kill me by shooting their t2 drones (which is what I did). I couldn't kill them or get away. They could and did kill me.
The Drake is fine as is. Obviously the problem is YOU. Learn to play Eve.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2008.07.27 19:41:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
the drake is fine
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Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.27 19:42:00 - [ 26]
They should nerf the shield recharge time again. Compared to other T3 battlecruisers the Drake by far is way overpowered. Its passive shield tank is way overpowerd. |
ZhouXi |
Posted - 2008.07.27 21:05:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
They should nerf the shield recharge time again. Compared to other T3 battlecruisers the Drake by far is way overpowered. Its passive shield tank is way overpowerd.
Overpowered for what? PVE? |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2008.07.27 21:58:00 - [ 28]
A passive tanked drake is essentially worthless in PvP, which is the only place that 'balance' actually matters.
Oh, and a Myrm can actually run a better passive tank. And do more DPS. |
Jim Raynor
Caldari
Bad Kitty Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate. |
Posted - 2008.07.28 07:02:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
Drake passive shield tank is way too powerfull 750dps tanked forever and 400 dps given. If only it got incresed dps and give 1 more medium slot and some cpu, i would call it best bs in game. Doomsday proof, recharges so fast.
Sollution is to narf passive recharging of shield. Remove 2 low slots add power grid and +1 med slot in order to effectivly fit shield booster, cap booster and heavy assault missiles.
narf. thumbs down. there's only 2 types of drake setups and one is worthless for pvp you just called for its narfing. narf drakes fine when fitted for actual pvp, uber passive drakes are just drakes that are hard to kill, they have no firepower and couldn't blast a whole through a wet paper bag so, who cares? uber bait ship? maybe, but i don't think uber bait ships do much to upset the pvp balance in eve. narf |
J'Mkarr Soban |
Posted - 2008.07.28 07:52:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
Drake passive shield tank is way too powerfull 750dps tanked forever OR 400 dps given.
Note the change there. Or. Not supported. Seems perfectly balanced to me. |
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