Originally by: Zoraya Rouge

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Yes I'm an alt

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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Comparison Chart. - Remade the ones in the devblog and put both charts into one :)

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Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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Edited by: Jenny'' JoJo on 25/07/2008 19:56:54

Originally by: GO MaZ

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Edited by: GO MaZ on 25/07/2008 18:38:44

Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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ECM and ECM Bust > Remote rep.

Also remote rep without ECM is easy to beat. Only the primary or secondary gets remote repped. Just pick off people outside remote rep range etc. Remote rep ships lack damagemods etc. Very vurnerable to competent fleets. In fact, some of the top pvp alliances never use remote rep.

Oh Wait, that means you have to look at the battlefield tactically insted of firing MWD?

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ITT: Someone tells shadoo about remote rep.


P.S. dear god you're stupid

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Nope. Learn to adapt. Eve is about evolving. If you do not adapt, you die.

Anti-remote rep tactics are very good. Remember how you used to tell people to "use brain to beat nano"? Well, use brain to beat remote rep.

Remote rep ships have low damage, some lack even full set of turrets. Remote rep range is less than web range making RR gangs inflexible and sitting ducks if your fleet/gang uses tactics. You can ECM/Dampen them. Bump them out of rep range. You an trick them into repping primary and secondary while you switch to attacking another target.

You can attack remote repping gangs by attacking everybody. You can use HEAVY NEUTS. No Cap = no remote rep (yeah remember how you lot used to say the same stuff to nano victims?).

You can also spread fire over several targets which breaks remote rep chains easaly. Remote rep gangs are complete rubbish currently, used mostly by people who lack tactics.

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Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Areo Hotah

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I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily.
I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.

Observations from me fighting nano gangs:
-nobody takes booster pills
-Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot.
-Hardly anyone uses snakes
-There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors
-I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.

I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.

I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.

I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.

There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.

I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.

Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?).
Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.

Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).

Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.

Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement":
Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.
Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.

Cause:
Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships.
Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.

Areo

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: Zoraya Rouge

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Yes I'm an alt

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why can't you post your opinions with your main?

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Originally by: Jenny' JoJo

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Nope. Learn to adapt. Eve is about evolving. If you do not adapt, you die.

Anti-remote rep tactics are very good. Remember how you used to tell people to "use brain to beat nano"? Well, use brain to beat remote rep.

Remote rep ships have low damage, some lack even full set of turrets. Remote rep range is less than web range making RR gangs inflexible and sitting ducks if your fleet/gang uses tactics. You can ECM/Dampen them. Bump them out of rep range. You an trick them into repping primary and secondary while you switch to attacking another target.

You can attack remote repping gangs by attacking everybody. You can use HEAVY NEUTS. No Cap = no remote rep (yeah remember how you lot used to say the same stuff to nano victims?).

You can also spread fire over several targets which breaks remote rep chains easaly. Remote rep gangs are complete rubbish currently, used mostly by people who lack tactics.

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Originally by: Furry Crusader

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I like where this thread is going.

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Originally by: Khanid Voltar

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Originally by: Euriti

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Originally by: Areo Hotah

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I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily.
I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.

Observations from me fighting nano gangs:
-nobody takes booster pills
-Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot.
-Hardly anyone uses snakes
-There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors
-I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.

I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.

I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.

I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.

There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.

I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.

Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?).
Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.

Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).

Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.

Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement":
Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.
Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.

Cause:
Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships.
Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.

Areo

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Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.

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