Posted - 2008.07.18 00:39:00 - [3]

 

Rick Astley approves of this message.

Posted - 2008.07.18 05:05:00 - [5]

 

Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 18/07/2008 05:05:33
word!

now to my rocket launcher defender phoenix!

Posted - 2008.07.18 06:01:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Tzujeih

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Their damage is too low, their travel time is too slow, and the smartbomb issue.
Citadel tops simply shouldn't be popable.

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This. And there's no short range, high DPS option for capital missiles.

Posted - 2008.07.19 05:52:00 - [9]

 

Not too sure how you do it, but it is a good idea!

Posted - 2008.07.19 10:55:00 - [11]

 

Posted - 2008.07.23 18:23:00 - [13]

 

Citadel torps badly need boosts, and a lot of them. Drop their ROF(30 seconds instead of 48 would put damage fits of the Phoenix and Naglfar about equal with the Moros for DPS, which is appropriate given that they have flight time as a concern), increase their HP dramatically, and triple their speed while reducing their flight time by 2/3. It'd dramatically improve my Defender Missile suggestion too, but that's incidental. Making the other two dreadnoughts playable is a worthwhile change in its own right.

Posted - 2008.07.25 03:27:00 - [15]

 

WIN WIN and more WIN

Posted - 2008.07.25 08:17:00 - [17]

 

Edited by: Shadowsword on 25/07/2008 08:16:50
I don't see the "smartbomb issue" as an issue.

First, it require a pretty heavy investment, 3 faction smartbombs to be 100% effective as a missile defense. That means 3 slots on ships that have 5 high slots (for carriers). And a carrier with only 2 high slots for remote/neut/other is severely limited in usefullness. Add to that a hefty cap drain when they're active, something like -56 to -80 cap/second for 3 smarties, that mean your tank won't be as good as it would be without them.

Second, for once there's a defense effective against missiles. Because defenders just don't cut it. It's hte only effective defense for a non-seepd ship. And you want to nerf it?

Third, the "can tank an infinite amount of phoenixes" is pretty lol, as you could say the same with a carrier "tanking an infinite amount of Revelations" if it fits 2 overdrives and keep a high transversal. That will never be a problem because you'll never see a dread fleet with only phoenixes.


I won't comment on dps, as I haven't used them. But, because of considerations like high alpha strike, complete damage type selection, and no cap used, they should be the least damaging of the XL weapons.

Last, I think there should be capital cruise missiles, to give phoenixes a long-range option, and citadel torps should be reduced in range. Dps of both should then be tuned to be competitive but not overpowered.