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Topic |
Julius Kalmaris
Nuclear Lunatics
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:26:00 - [ 1]
So I was watching CNN the other day and there was this big hoo-haa about Obama not loving America and not being a patriotic American. As I watched more I found out that the reason this was being said by McCains grunts was because during a rally Obama didn't have his hand over his heart while the anthem played. Oh and he wasn't wearing an American flag pin on his jacket.
You have to be kidding me right? I know politicians from one end of the spectrum to the other are morons but this is just ridiculous. Critisize a guy's patriotitism for not placing his hand over his heart and wearing a 50.cent pin made in China?
Now I'm not American, unless you consider Canada a state, but does one really need to place his hand over his heart for the nations anthem to show that their patriotic? Or wear a pin to boot. Can the guy not just listen to the anthem, understand the meaning to it, and thank it, his countrymen and founding fathers in his own way? |
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:31:00 - [ 2]
Well, I dont know about the pin issue(im not a politician), but with the national anthem its second nature in america to put your hand on your heart whilst it is played, so much that not doing so is very deliberate.
Though I care more about the issues, I would love to hear his justification for not doing so. |
Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:38:00 - [ 3]
 Originally by: goodby4u
Well, I dont know about the pin issue(im not a politician), but with the national anthem its second nature in america to put your hand on your heart whilst it is played, so much that not doing so is very deliberate.
Though I care more about the issues, I would love to hear his justification for not doing so.
With all due respect to national traditions. Doing neither of the above really makes you a patriot. Any tool can put up a show. |
Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:38:00 - [ 4]
Yes, I'm positive that Obama didn't place his hand over his heard because he hates freedom. He's also apparently a Muslim and a Murderer.  |
Asestorian
Domination. |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:38:00 - [ 5]
I'm not American, but I had heard that the hand over the heart thing was in fact actually only required for the pledge of allegiance, not the anthem, and that he does put his hand on his heart for the pledge. |
Maridius Secundus
Caldari
the oNe corporation
Sylph Alliance |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:41:00 - [ 6]
Well, as i remember it the main issue was that Obama refused to for a long time to not wear a lappel pin of the usa. That and the fact that his wife said that "this is the first time im proud to call myself an american" made people question his patriotism. |
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:44:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: goodby4u on 03/07/2008 17:46:38Edited by: goodby4u on 03/07/2008 17:45:48 Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: goodby4u
Well, I dont know about the pin issue(im not a politician), but with the national anthem its second nature in america to put your hand on your heart whilst it is played, so much that not doing so is very deliberate.
Though I care more about the issues, I would love to hear his justification for not doing so.
With all due respect to national traditions.
Doing neither of the above really makes you a patriot. Any tool can put up a show.
Never said it was, but what I said was putting your hand over your heart during the anthem is so common you have to try not to do so in this country.... And if he was making a deliberate statement I would like to know what it was. I think it is a sign of disrespect to do as he did aswell. As for requirements, no its not necessarily a requirement, but everybody does it anyways. |
Jim McGregor |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:46:00 - [ 8]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/07/2008 17:51:56
Patriotism is like religion - excellent for controlling the minds. Some people will believe Obama is unpatriotic because it was on CNN and there is nothing you can do about it. Every man has to realize what is behind the smoke and mirrors for himself I think.
Follow the money. As always.
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Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:51:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: goodby4u
Well, I dont know about the pin issue(im not a politician), but with the national anthem its second nature in america to put your hand on your heart whilst it is played, so much that not doing so is very deliberate.
Though I care more about the issues, I would love to hear his justification for not doing so.
He also hates babies. |
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:52:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Originally by: goodby4u
Well, I dont know about the pin issue(im not a politician), but with the national anthem its second nature in america to put your hand on your heart whilst it is played, so much that not doing so is very deliberate.
Though I care more about the issues, I would love to hear his justification for not doing so.
He also hates babies.
I KNEW IT! |
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:55:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/07/2008 17:51:56
Patriotism is like religion - excellent for controlling the minds. Some people will believe Obama is unpatriotic because it was on CNN and there is nothing you can do about it. Every man has to realize what is behind the smoke and mirrors for himself I think.
Follow the money. As always.
Im a christian but I dont follow 100% of the bible or even go to any instututions that tell what the bible is.. Im also a patriot but I dont always support politicians, so therefore its a poor mind control method. |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:57:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: goodby4u
Well, I dont know about the pin issue(im not a politician), but with the national anthem its second nature in america to put your hand on your heart whilst it is played, so much that not doing so is very deliberate.
Though I care more about the issues, I would love to hear his justification for not doing so.
Has it occurred to you that, if he'd have been thinking about it, he'd ALMOST CERTAINLY have put his hand over his heart, patriotic or not? Theres absolutely no possible advantage for him to be seen not to do it, and every possible disadvantage. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people don't automatically put their hand on their heart during the anthem- only no-one notices unless they're a presidential candidate. Its certainly not common practice in the rest off the world. |
Captain Hudson
Caldari
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.03 18:01:00 - [ 13]
what a load of bull. |
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:02:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: goodby4u on 03/07/2008 18:03:17 Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: goodby4u
Well, I dont know about the pin issue(im not a politician), but with the national anthem its second nature in america to put your hand on your heart whilst it is played, so much that not doing so is very deliberate.
Though I care more about the issues, I would love to hear his justification for not doing so.
Has it occurred to you that, if he'd have been thinking about it, he'd ALMOST CERTAINLY have put his hand over his heart, patriotic or not? Theres absolutely no possible advantage for him to be seen not to do it, and every possible disadvantage.
I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people don't automatically put their hand on their heart during the anthem- only no-one notices unless they're a presidential candidate. Its certainly not common practice in the rest off the world.
Incorrect, if youve ever been to a large place in america(such as a baseball game etc)EVERYBODY stands up and EVERYBODY takes their hat off and puts their hand on their heart. Infact you can get fined for not standing at attention and putting your hand on your heart when they play the national anthem where I live. |
P'uck |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:05:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: P''uck on 03/07/2008 18:06:21 Originally by: Patch86
Has it occurred to you that, if he'd have been thinking about it, he'd ALMOST CERTAINLY have put his hand over his heart, patriotic or not? Theres absolutely no possible advantage for him to be seen not to do it, and every possible disadvantage.
This. And that's why the whole story is a pretty low blow, even for republicans. |
DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:15:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
He also hates babies.
He doesn't hate babies. When you eat cheeseburgers do you hate cows? No of course not. You don't have to hate something to live at it's expense. |
Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:15:00 - [ 17]
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:16:00 - [ 18]
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Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:19:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: goodby4u
Your from america?
Sure am. I dunno, it always seems like a really pretentious way to show patriotism since everyone just does it reflexively. I intentionally don't do it for that very reason. I'll stand up because I don't want to be the only douchebag sitting down in a crowd of people, but I don't say the pledge or put my hand over my heart. |
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:24:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: goodby4u
Your from america?
Sure am.
I dunno, it always seems like a really pretentious way to show patriotism since everyone just does it reflexively. I intentionally don't do it for that very reason.
I'll stand up because I don't want to be the only douchebag sitting down in a crowd of people, but I don't say the pledge or put my hand over my heart.
Then I guess not everybody does it, but my point still stands that its a reflex. |
P'uck |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:30:00 - [ 21]
if it TRULY is a reflex it really is a bad thing.
also i dont like how some people think patriotism equals unconditional love for your country. |
Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:54:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: P'uck
if it TRULY is a reflex it really is a bad thing.
also i dont like how some people think patriotism equals unconditional love for your country.
This. Patriotism is just a scheme to make the government have more control... And being fined for not putting your hand over your heart? WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HAND? That would suck. But it is just the fed's wanting more control. Look at what's happening in the EU right now. |
Jacob Mei
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:59:00 - [ 23]
Welcome to American Politics, where each side uses mud, horse dung, claims the other is a card carrying Communist/Satan Worshiper/Taliban/Terrorist/friends with the super devil and so on. |
Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2008.07.03 19:00:00 - [ 24]
I'm from the UK, England, and I hate our national anthem as I am anti monarchy. I am however, patriotic to my country. |
Xrak
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Wildly Inappropriate. |
Posted - 2008.07.03 19:04:00 - [ 25]
Right because this is what really matters doesnt it? Not the economy or health service or even terrorism, but whether the guy does an action that means nothing in the bigger picture.
Patriotism rivaling religion for a state of mind control, who'd have thought it.
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire |
Posted - 2008.07.03 19:18:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Originally by: P'uck
if it TRULY is a reflex it really is a bad thing.
also i dont like how some people think patriotism equals unconditional love for your country.
This.
Patriotism is just a scheme to make the government have more control...
And being fined for not putting your hand over your heart?
WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HAND?
That would suck. But it is just the fed's wanting more control. Look at what's happening in the EU right now.
Then he places his nub on his heart. Like I said above, im a patriot yet im definately not trusting of government, and im a christian, yet I dont believe everything in the bible nor do I participate in church as I dont need somebody telling me what the bible is. |
Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.07.03 19:25:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Elliot Reid
I'm from the UK, England, and I hate our national anthem as I am anti monarchy. I am however, patriotic to my country.
Rule Britannia TBH. |
Lennit Purn
The Righteous Few |
Posted - 2008.07.03 19:27:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: goodby4u
Infact you can get fined for not standing at attention and putting your hand on your heart when they play the national anthem where I live.
And you're American? Bull. I'll bet you one million ISK and an apology that you can't find that statute. |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2008.07.03 19:29:00 - [ 29]
Just Political Propaganda Bull****. The thing about Obama hating baby's is also true as the Clinton supporters pointed out that he stopped hugging babies so on the news whenever they talked about him all the news scenes showed him hugging babies.
It's mudslinging like this that makes me avoid politics like the black plague
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Lennit Purn
The Righteous Few |
Posted - 2008.07.03 19:32:00 - [ 30]
Even better is the people who insist on calling him Barack ******* Obama, just to make him sound scarier  |
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