| Author |
Topic |
CrushProject
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2008.07.13 15:01:00 - [ 121]
i still think its crazy that just a couple of months ago 90 day gtc's were just over 300m. Then they went up to 400m. Now they are gone completely and 60 day gtc's are over 400m.
All this in a game that is decaying to the point of heavy stagnation makes it hard to justify... |
Krasnij Okjabre
the united
Negative Ten. |
Posted - 2008.07.13 15:21:00 - [ 122]
I'd be more than happy to pay for my 2 accounts by bank card if CCP were a little bit more flexible insofar as the cards they accept. Credit card only is restrictive, especially if like myself you have no desire to own one. $15 a month on card plus interest to the gouging company that provides said card. If they accepted Maestro/Switch I would be a happy player. I think a 33% (roughly) hike in GTC is outrageous, more so when you factor in the limitations of time the cards now offer.
I agree with many of you that the 30 day card was easy for newer players and those with multiple accounts to manage. As a result of CCP's changes I 'panic bought' several 90 day GTC and paid my accounts up until January next year... after that, I may have to reconsider my options.
My main gripe with this issue is that I cannot pay for my play via my bank card so I can avoid paying interest. Come on CCP, sort summin out with regard to flexibility. Is fine for you to sit in your ivory towers dictating how and what we should pay, but give us all a little room with this.
Kras. |
Blaster Pax |
Posted - 2008.07.13 15:50:00 - [ 123]
Hi, all.
I started playing this game early last year, right before my wife and I had our first baby. I paid for my first time card to start playing more than a trial account, and since then was able to play through trading ISK for time cards, and was able to play multiple accounts. Real money over the past year has been for real items, such as diapers, power and phone bills, sometimes even something to eat. My 15 month old sometimes eats more than I do in a run of a day, because money is short. That's fine. Anyway, I am down to 2 accounts active now, as one expires today, since I got one 60day time card for another since they went on sale. The other 8 accounts are offline. I should be able to afford another before my active accounts run out, but at over 400 mil (if anyone is selling them), I'm not holding my breath. So, if my remaining accounts run out because I can't devote multiple hours a day making the ISK, I may not continue playing the game to get to the potential I had envisioned.
And at this point, Eve doesn't have the priority it used to, even though my characters are finally getting to the point I wanted them to get to after many months of planning. It's a shame. But oh well.. thanks for reading my rant. If you want to flame me or anyone else in this thread who is having a hard time swallowing the new cost of this game, feel free to poor gasoline all over yourself and light a match. The rest of you, have a nice day. |
Lorgoth
BearingPoint
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Posted - 2008.07.13 16:04:00 - [ 124]
you got 9+ accounts?
o.0
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Blaster Pax |
Posted - 2008.07.13 17:07:00 - [ 125]
I have 11 in total. With the 30 day and 90 day time cards I was able to afford paying ISK for time, making new characters as my budgeting allowed. But with the price of 60 day cards now I've lost some of that ability, also I've lost quite a bit of willpower and eagerness to keep them going as well. |
silver babe |
Posted - 2008.07.13 18:53:00 - [ 126]
Edited by: silver babe on 13/07/2008 18:53:35
back to the top... cause this topic is vital! |
Dieter Gol |
Posted - 2008.07.13 19:01:00 - [ 127]
Come on folks, lets get a grip here. I personally think that even at $17.50 a month, EVE is a pretty good deal. The fact that CCP has a method for letting the hard core players convert in game ISK to real-world subscription cash is pretty cool in itself. Cripes - I'm new to the game (less than 4 months in) and I can already make enough ISK in a week to cover a 60day GTC, and I know damn well that you long time players out there can probably do that in a day (or less given some of the multi-billion ISK contracts I see out there).
Yes, costs are going up. I manage a rackroom full of servers myself, and I've watched my electric costs go up 50% this year. Couple that with developers, the cost of a huge internet pipe, and the hope of actually making some profit, and I can see why the subscription cost of the game is rising. Gone are the days when it was one or two guys in a garage writing games - it costs big money to be able to bring this game to you, and if the price has to rise a bit for them to be able to do it in a first class manner, I'm up with it.
If a cost rise of $4.50 a month per account is breaking your bank, you need to be doing something other than playing online anyway. |
Blackwater Park |
Posted - 2008.07.13 19:11:00 - [ 128]
I have been playing this game off an on for the past couple years, and at some point i started playing for my two accounts just by buying GTC's with isk. I recently reactivated my account by getting someone to do the secure gtc trade thing with my inactive account, since I had left 200 mil on it last time I had played. I played for a month, and when my time ran out I went to go buy another gtc, only to find that the cheapest ones are now way more than the isk I had saved for a GTC. This unexpected increase in price has forced me to stop playing Eve. I now have an inactive account with a little under 300 mil on it, so there is basically no way I can start playing again.
Good job CCP |
Avis Blaze |
Posted - 2008.07.13 21:00:00 - [ 129]
C'mon CCP ... say something ... You would of been better off just announcing a rise in price .. not shoving it down our throats! And if you are at it .. please let me know how is it with applying VAT based on a European Directive that is No longer in force as clearly indicated in the link you kindly provide " VAT included " Waiting! |
Finrai |
Posted - 2008.07.13 21:24:00 - [ 130]
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The Racketeer |
Posted - 2008.07.13 21:54:00 - [ 131]
Edited by: The Racketeer on 13/07/2008 21:57:23well back when there was a choice and the prices were reasonable... i was able to maintain 4 0.0 industrial accounts who each have secondary specializations with a reasonable amount of in-game time. With the removal of all but 60 day GTCs and the 33% price hike the options i have are.. try and come up with 1.68 Billion ISK every 60 Days to maintain the accounts with GTCs or pay $155.96 USD and buy the GTCs myself. Unfortunately i cant do either and i am going to have to let half of the accounts go inactive and pay for only two. being that my accounts are individually specialized thats half of my game play options witch makes the game only half as fun.  it looks as if.. the 33% price hike is hurting everyone with multiple accounts. In many cases needing to drop 33-50% of the accounts they own to be able to afford staying in-game. How is this going to affect those that are providing in-game and out of game services? Are we going to see a 33% or similar price hike for the cost of services? To top it off CCP said the reductions in the types of offered GTCs is to simplify the billing processes. In other words a cost cutting feature for them.. so why the 33% hike in the cost of game time? |
PhalanxPrime
Caldari
Random Development
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:28:00 - [ 132]
Bump
Does anyone know a way for the devs to see this? I mean like ASAP. |
James Lister
State Outfitters |
Posted - 2008.07.13 23:30:00 - [ 133]
Any complaints about US paying less for the same service are not really valid. The market in US for game subscriptions in US is about 15 USD per month. Some are less, a very few are a buck or two more. If EVE online attempts to charge 23 USD per month they will price themselves out of the market. While EVE is a unique game most people could make do with other entertaining titles for 2/3 the cost, especially with the collapsing economy putting price pressure on every aspect of life.
I'm not sure what the motivation is with the 60 day GTC but they can afford to alienate over 1/3 of the customer base that uses GTC and still not take any losses. Perhaps they are targetting farmers and those of us who use GTC are collateral damage? Maybe less people paying more is a more efficient business model for EVE? Anyway, welcome to the new improved price plan of EVE, and don't hold your breath for it to change for the better. |
PhalanxPrime
Caldari
Random Development
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:40:00 - [ 134]
 Originally by: James Lister
Any complaints about US paying less for the same service are not really valid. The market in US for game subscriptions in US is about 15 USD per month. Some are less, a very few are a buck or two more. If EVE online attempts to charge 23 USD per month they will price themselves out of the market. While EVE is a unique game most people could make do with other entertaining titles for 2/3 the cost, especially with the collapsing economy putting price pressure on every aspect of life.
I'm not sure what the motivation is with the 60 day GTC but they can afford to alienate over 1/3 of the customer base that uses GTC and still not take any losses. Perhaps they are targetting farmers and those of us who use GTC are collateral damage? Maybe less people paying more is a more efficient business model for EVE? Anyway, welcome to the new improved price plan of EVE, and don't hold your breath for it to change for the better.
I have to agree with you there, the solution would be to decrease the euro amount though, not increase the US amount. Regardless, THE REAL ISSUE IS THERE ARE NO MORE 90 DAYS! BRING EM BACK!!! |
James Lister
State Outfitters |
Posted - 2008.07.14 00:01:00 - [ 135]
also, why are the prices on 60d cards going up if everyone is ****ed off and cancelling accounts? This would suggest that the supply is retracting faster than the demand. Are the GTC sellers ****ed off too?
Vote with your wallets, people. Put on a long skill and let your accounts lapse. Check out wow or aoc or something for awhile. Come back in a couple of months and see what has happened. I doubt anything will change, but if we all stand together EVE will notice. GTC sellers will not get their isk which will certainly have an effect on the in-game economy. CCP will also lose a revenue stream. |
ENFEMUS
Invictus Australis
Merciless. |
Posted - 2008.07.14 00:38:00 - [ 136]
Originally by: Hrian d'Fat
Edited by: Hrian d''Fat on 24/06/2008 21:13:29
Fact:
1 Euro = 1.5515 U.S. dollars
You might or might not know, but the USD and EUR costs were / are the same, so someone paying through CC in eur pays 14.95 a month, while someone else paying through CC in USD pays 14.95 a month. The only difference really is, that 14.95 USD is mere 9.63 EUR.
Now consider all those people paying from GTCs getting their 3 months at a price, thats almost half of what was intended.
It was only a matter of time before CCP had to do something.
There are just a few issues here:
1) Its a shame how they did try to PR this as a step made to make the life of someone - in our case i think it was the GTC dealers - easier, by adjusting their GTCs to some never heard standards.
2) Its ridiculous, that not only did they increase the prices, they did it twice by eliminating the 30d GTCs, esentially forcing people who pay through GTCs to buy two months even if they only want to buy one.
What CCP should have done:
Tell us that the current economic situation makes it necessary to increase the prices on GTCs (why werent the USD prices bumped up on CC transactions btw?).
Increase the pricing of 30 and 90d GTCs accordingly.
What CCP should still explain is why people paying in USD are paying only about half of what people paying in EUR pay. Are the europeans little piggy banks they can milk more or what?
Im pretty damn sure, that offering the same service for different prices depending on region is not considered a nice business practice, given there is no valid explanation for the difference of course.
In our case, i doubt there is any.
I think this is a clear case of negative discrimination. I DEMAND THE SAME PRICES AS U.S. CUSTOMERS GET, OR AT LEAST A CORRECT BREAKDOWN OF EXTRA COSTS INVOLVED IN SELLING THEIR SERVICE TO ME.
First off I want to say your ******ed. second lets address some of your statements here There is a difference in the euro <> USD exchange rate, this is true. This is the price of doing business in other countries its called "Global Marketing". You asses the market and economy of other countries and see if you can make a profit out of the Currency exchange rate. The US economy is current in the toilet. Its all based on the cost of living. what costs Euros 15 pounds is the same the an American spending $15 dollars. Your first couple of statements I agree with. The forcing of the 60 day at about the same price of a 90 day. My suggestion to you is to take a small international marketing class before making such claims.  |
James Lister
State Outfitters |
Posted - 2008.07.14 07:33:00 - [ 137]
Also, 5 years ago the euro was about at parity with the dollar. 1:1 more or less. It made sense to charge the same on both sides of the pond. But honestly this topic has nothing to do with exhange rates since it has the same relative effect on both currencies. |
Belmarduk
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.07.14 13:51:00 - [ 138]
*mantra*
IF you dont need GTC urgently aka have got the account(s) paid for a year or so in advance - DONT buy GTC now !!!!!
With this stupid panic buying we are only pushing the prices up even further - the only winners are greedy GTC-Sellers... |
Kublai Khaan
Gallente
Black Viper Nomads |
Posted - 2008.07.14 13:59:00 - [ 139]
"greedy" isk sellers sell 60 days for ~400mil because thats what it costs in REAL LIFE MONEY,you dolts,its not measured in days of game time,try and accept that with your brains.And those same greedy people ALLOW you to buy GTCs with ISK.And can i have all the stuff of the thousands cancelled accounts in this thread? srsly,you are all quite silly. |
Ghost Goat |
Posted - 2008.07.14 14:15:00 - [ 140]
Originally by: Kublai Khaan
"greedy" isk sellers sell 60 days for ~400mil because thats what it costs in REAL LIFE MONEY,you dolts,its not measured in days of game time,try and accept that with your brains.And those same greedy people ALLOW you to buy GTCs with ISK.And can i have all the stuff of the thousands cancelled accounts in this thread? srsly,you are all quite silly.
dream on , 60 days worth 300 mil ,and thats exactly how much it will cost very soon . Buyers , we have t power , just do not buy ,and t prices will drop , guarented. |
Belmarduk
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:45:00 - [ 141]
Originally by: Kublai Khaan
"greedy" isk sellers sell 60 days for ~400mil because thats what it costs in REAL LIFE MONEY,you dolts,its not measured in days of game time,try and accept that with your brains.And those same greedy people ALLOW you to buy GTCs with ISK.And can i have all the stuff of the thousands cancelled accounts in this thread? srsly,you are all quite silly.
It is absolutley ok that the 60 day cost more now than 1/3 less that the 90 day cost BECAUSE they cost more in RL-money. They are worth (given the worth the 90 day used to be) about 330mio to 350mio - going up to 380 mio is high price but still reasonable - 400 mio + is NOT reasonable ! I am not going against gtc-sellers on the whole ! Its a symphiosis ! Btw I could turn the view-point around - If "we" werent you would have to WORK for your isk ingame ;) If thousands WOULD quit - have fun selling your GTC ;) I will be there when (and will be) when the GTC start crashing down :) Its CCP´s fault - not the isk-buyers OR GTC-sellers - 33% rise IS NOT OK....... |
Avis Blaze |
Posted - 2008.07.14 16:51:00 - [ 142]
I don't think that this matter will be attended.
... pity ... |
PhalanxPrime
Caldari
Random Development
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Posted - 2008.07.14 22:42:00 - [ 143]
Originally by: Avis Blaze
I don't think that this matter will be attended.
... pity ...
BUMP and comment It's worth a shot either way. Too many people are dependent on the 90 day's, including myself, so we should put all effort to bring them back (and the 30 days of course!  ) Anyways, LETS KEEP THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE ALL THE TIME, CCP HAS TO REALIZE THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM!!!!!! |
PhalanxPrime
Caldari
Random Development
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:30:00 - [ 144]
Since this hasn't been bumped since my last post I'll comment...
How would people feel if CCP decided to raise 90 days to 45 USD/EU if they brought it back?
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:41:00 - [ 145]
Im going to be honest with you all here.
If you cant afford the monthly cost of playing eve, you shouldn't be playing. Period.
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Ghost Goat |
Posted - 2008.07.15 00:53:00 - [ 146]
Edited by: Ghost Goat on 15/07/2008 00:53:39lol , its funny that you say that,seeing as you just sold a GTC  . you got it backwards m8 , it's you who shouldn't play eve if you don't know how to make ISK . |
UKM Thorgrim
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.15 01:02:00 - [ 147]
i fully agree and with the current climet in the real world.. somthing has to give. Guess . what..
Bye bye eve..
and Hello free to play other online games.
and no you can't have my stuff..
i'll let it rot.. as i now can't get on to Move all my stuuf and put both toons into Noob corps. for sale ..
so 1 x 2005 & 1 2006 toons down .
have fun all & fly safe. |
Kenny Dalglish |
Posted - 2008.07.15 01:05:00 - [ 148]
Originally by: James Lister
also, why are the prices on 60d cards going up if everyone is ****ed off and cancelling accounts? This would suggest that the supply is retracting faster than the demand. Are the GTC sellers ****ed off too?
Vote with your wallets, people. Put on a long skill and let your accounts lapse. Check out wow or aoc or something for awhile. Come back in a couple of months and see what has happened. I doubt anything will change, but if we all stand together EVE will notice. GTC sellers will not get their isk which will certainly have an effect on the in-game economy. CCP will also lose a revenue stream.
Again, I seriously doubt that'll make a difference. You never see the people called "sxqgpasltjz" etc posting complaining about high prices, I think their macros even include auto WTB posts for GTCs. That said, they'll continue to pay whatever price people ask. :/ |
PhalanxPrime
Caldari
Random Development
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:58:00 - [ 149]
Originally by: rValdez5987
Im going to be honest with you all here.
If you cant afford the monthly cost of playing eve, you shouldn't be playing. Period.
And why the Hell is that? |
Reelname Censored |
Posted - 2008.07.15 03:03:00 - [ 150]
I have been spreading your message (which is a message of reason) it has made me very unpopular with the greedy! :( |
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