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Solsson |
Posted - 2008.05.15 11:40:00 - [ 151]
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Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts. |
Posted - 2008.05.15 11:52:00 - [ 152]
the majority must suffer so that the minority can have a laugh, it's only a further fall into decadence for the west. |
Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts. |
Posted - 2008.05.15 11:58:00 - [ 153]
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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:05:00 - [ 154]
thankyou |
Aclyn Seriy
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank |
Posted - 2008.05.15 13:51:00 - [ 155]
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Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
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Posted - 2008.05.15 16:00:00 - [ 156]
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari
The Elevens
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Posted - 2008.05.15 20:54:00 - [ 157]
 Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Benco97
I don't see how you could test a group of homosexuals to see how an adopted child's life would be (...)
I have no issues with homosexual couples being good parents. Again my focus and attention goes towards the child`s best and well being. More troubling is the fact that the child doesn`t have a mother and a father to call their own, the issue of not having a male and a female role model in the family. Identity trouble and complications could arise in the child`s mind since he/she will perceive homosexual life as "normal" and "correct" hence leading to a disturbed upbringing. What about society who they live among, where children can say "my dad is..." or "my mum is.." where the child says " I dont have a dad/mum, I got two of the same" The poor thing will get bullied as a result in most cases. Next ask yourself, how is a child conceived? Is it through the same sexes or through two different ones? Here lies my moral dilemma on the case, on the note I would compare this to human cloning where Man plays God to achieve its will.
That reasoning is total BS. By your logic, every child of a heterosexual union would not be bullied, which we all know is false. Children need no reason to be cruel to other kids and preventing any couple from having a child based on your statement is insane. I am tired of hearing of homosexual rights, though. It is human rights, one standard for everyone that I want. Nothing matters as long as you do no harm. |
Kastar
Paragon Horizons
THORN Alliance |
Posted - 2008.05.15 22:13:00 - [ 158]
Edited by: Kastar on 15/05/2008 22:18:58 Originally by: Shalia Ripper
Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Benco97
I don't see how you could test a group of homosexuals to see how an adopted child's life would be (...)
I have no issues with homosexual couples being good parents. Again my focus and attention goes towards the child`s best and well being. More troubling is the fact that the child doesn`t have a mother and a father to call their own, the issue of not having a male and a female role model in the family. Identity trouble and complications could arise in the child`s mind since he/she will perceive homosexual life as "normal" and "correct" hence leading to a disturbed upbringing. What about society who they live among, where children can say "my dad is..." or "my mum is.." where the child says " I dont have a dad/mum, I got two of the same" The poor thing will get bullied as a result in most cases. Next ask yourself, how is a child conceived? Is it through the same sexes or through two different ones? Here lies my moral dilemma on the case, on the note I would compare this to human cloning where Man plays God to achieve its will.
That reasoning is total BS. By your logic, every child of a heterosexual union would not be bullied, which we all know is false. Children need no reason to be cruel to other kids and preventing any couple from having a child based on your statement is insane.
I am tired of hearing of homosexual rights, though. It is human rights, one standard for everyone that I want.
Nothing matters as long as you do no harm.
It's nowhere stated that kids of heterosexuals would not be bullied. You make the same mistake as many by putting words in someones mouth. Things that are not said or hinted at at all. A kid's world can be cruel. Kids are extremely cruel towards each other. The point of this answer is that it would probably be even worse in this situation. To the guy that answered to my post in an overly sarcastic way... just meh. Especially the interracial remark is very low. Who said that? Aren't you overreacting or assuming a bit too much ???? You can't go around the fact that our society is built around certain conventions. Do I feel that every exception to these conventions should be allowed ... ? No ! I do not have an issue with gay people, even though I would feel better if my kids turn out to be straight. The moment they want to adopt and want to raise families together is where I draw the line though. Does morality pop in this ? Not for me. I just think it's a bad idea and I'm not comfortable with the idea. EDIT: just thought to add this. It's allowed in Belgium (I live there) I think. So be it, it has been decided. What I'm always wondering with these kind of ethical things is what will be next. You can't deny that people are a weird lot and often move to something else to fight for as soon as they achieved something. This is actually what I'm really affraid off. That at one point we'll be going too far in the entire tolerance thing and that the real issues will be neglected. I mean, don't we have toher fish to fry atm ? Kas out |
Natsume Chidori |
Posted - 2008.05.15 22:25:00 - [ 159]
Originally by: Devoras2
Originally by: Benco97
I don't see how you could test a group of homosexuals to see how an adopted child's life would be (...)
I have no issues with homosexual couples being good parents. Again my focus and attention goes towards the child`s best and well being. More troubling is the fact that the child doesn`t have a mother and a father to call their own, the issue of not having a male and a female role model in the family. Identity trouble and complications could arise in the child`s mind since he/she will perceive homosexual life as "normal" and "correct" hence leading to a disturbed upbringing. What about society who they live among, where children can say "my dad is..." or "my mum is.." where the child says " I dont have a dad/mum, I got two of the same" The poor thing will get bullied as a result in most cases.
Well, that would be interesting if any of it were true in the slightest. It's been shown that it has no significant effect on a child's development. Quote:
Next ask yourself, how is a child conceived? Is it through the same sexes or through two different ones? Here lies my moral dilemma on the case, on the note I would compare this to human cloning where Man plays God to achieve its will.
Again, why are you using biology as a basis for morality? Why the hell does it matter if you need a male and a female to produce a biological offspring? If we used your example, the only form of government we had would be tribal and husbands would kill any children from their wives' previous marriage. |
Kastar
Paragon Horizons
THORN Alliance |
Posted - 2008.05.15 22:31:00 - [ 160]
Originally by: Natsume Chidori
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Well, that would be interesting if any of it were true in the slightest. It's been shown that it has no significant effect on a child's development.
Measured by whom's standards ? In philopsophy or sociology it's common that about everything can be proven depending on how and where you survey. It has also been shown that it can harm. Look like it this way. Take a group of which everyone is more or less the same. Now put in someone that's vastly different. See what happens next. |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 22:51:00 - [ 161]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 15/05/2008 22:53:57I still say to all the anit-g@y and/or religious individuals, the only way that you can stand on the pedastle that you have brought to this thread, is if you adopt multiple children yourselves. Unless all straight couples adopt multiple children, all of theses children will be raised without any parents, and I dare say 1 or 2 g@y parents are still better the none. And since I think it may have been missed I will quote annoing Originally by: annoing
Also, while I agree 100% that g@ys should be allowed to marry, to adopt, to become parents, to live in equality within society, I dont believe it is their right to adopt without the same stringent checks that I would expect any potential adoptive parents to recieve. However, they should be allowed to have the same chances as hetrosexuals.
Slade P.S. I believe hate mongers make the worst parents |
Natsume Chidori |
Posted - 2008.05.15 22:58:00 - [ 162]
Originally by: Kastar
Originally by: Natsume Chidori
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Well, that would be interesting if any of it were true in the slightest. It's been shown that it has no significant effect on a child's development.
Measured by whom's standards ? In philopsophy or sociology it's common that about everything can be proven depending on how and where you survey. It has also been shown that it can harm.
Do peer-reviewed scientific studies satisfy your standards? Quote:
Look like it this way. Take a group of which everyone is more or less the same. Now put in someone that's vastly different. See what happens next.
Except that there are hundreds of factors that will lead to a child being teased during their adolescent years. What makes you think that having two fathers or two mothers would be any different than having glasses or any other excuse children will use to tease each other? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:35:00 - [ 163]
Don't worry, the religious groups will be blind to this whole thing until they get bored of their current crisis  |
Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance |
Posted - 2008.05.16 02:29:00 - [ 164]
Originally by: Everyone Dies
marriage is a privilege not a right
get your facts straight homo-lovers
looks like the Norway government are weak and pathetic.
this we, the norwegian people, already knew since duh its the same ****ing ******ed politicians we vote on every single time. oh and marriage is a right her in norway. |
Seroquel |
Posted - 2008.05.16 03:16:00 - [ 165]
i don't see a valid reason why the government should be involved in recognizing marriage at all. it should be the responsibility of the people getting married to write up their will and handle any other legal matters. there doesn't need to be any government involvement. as far as sanctity of marriage goes... having your church recognize your marriage is all that matters.
what are people afraid will happen if governments don't define what marriage is and isn't? i can't see how someone else's weirdo marriage is going to affect anyone else's. |
Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
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Posted - 2008.05.16 03:18:00 - [ 166]
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Lrd Byron |
Posted - 2008.05.16 08:16:00 - [ 167]
Originally by: Benco97
Still, you're right, tests should be done. It is my opinion however than any good testing will find no difference between the upbringing of a child in a homosexual couple's care and the upbringing of a child in a heterosexual couple's care (Assuming that both couples are of sound body and mind obviously, there are sick people out there irrespective of their sexual alignment)
I don't think they should. Even if testing is found to indicate that children raised by homosexuals are on the whole worse off than others, that should not matter. First of all its impossible to determine if the child is worse off because of his parents or because of some stigma that gets put on him because of his parents. Something like a self fulfilling prophesy. Second, determining what constitutes "on the whole worse off" is hopelessly subjective. Third, its a hell of a slippery slope. If we need to test to see if homosexuals are good enough to be parents, do we need to test atheists and Bhuddists and every other person who minorly deviates from the norm to? Why don't we bring back the poll tax and literacy tests for voting while we're at it. No thanks. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2008.05.16 08:28:00 - [ 168]
Originally by: Everyone Dies
marriage is a privilege not a right
get your facts straight homo-lovers
looks like the Norway government are weak and pathetic.
Homophobic bigotry makes sad pandas and ignorant societies. |
Digital Solaris |
Posted - 2008.05.16 08:51:00 - [ 169]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Everyone Dies
marriage is a privilege not a right
get your facts straight homo-lovers
looks like the Norway government are weak and pathetic.
Homophobic bigotry makes sad pandas and ignorant societies.
Leave him be, you bald meanie, he is only terrfied of what the big black gay man will do to his little tender whitetrash bum! |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.16 08:53:00 - [ 170]
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Digital Solaris |
Posted - 2008.05.16 09:00:00 - [ 171]
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Kastar
Paragon Horizons
THORN Alliance |
Posted - 2008.05.16 10:53:00 - [ 172]
Originally by: Natsume Chidori
Do peer-reviewed scientific studies satisfy your standards?
Off course, can you refer me to some ? |
Akiba Penrose
The Praxis Initiative |
Posted - 2008.05.16 15:14:00 - [ 173]
Originally by: Kastar
Originally by: Natsume Chidori
Do peer-reviewed scientific studies satisfy your standards?
Off course, can you refer me to some ?
Here you can find "Research Bibliography on Children of LGBT Parents-Current Studies and Literature Review" If you want to read the studies/reports you need register at some archive. (cost a few buck) Oxford Journals or Blackwell synergy is two such archives. Here is also a pdf document from the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute which summarizes the current research. Happy reading  |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.16 23:28:00 - [ 174]
He's not going to read it  |
Natsume Chidori |
Posted - 2008.05.17 17:50:00 - [ 175]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
He's not going to read it
No, he'll just accuse if of either being biased, or not really scientific, or some other kind of conspiracy... |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:00:00 - [ 176]
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Natsume Chidori |
Posted - 2008.05.19 18:37:00 - [ 177]
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Devoras2
Amarr
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance |
Posted - 2008.06.11 14:06:00 - [ 178]
So it begins...
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated |
Posted - 2008.06.11 20:13:00 - [ 179]
a slight correction of a typo in the topic header:
Heterosexual rights = Homosexual rights!
for me this something that is obvious. equal rights to all, regardless of gender, ethnicity, sexuality, and age.
the only caveat I might have about sexuality at large is that I don't care what you do or who you do it with, as long as they consent.
to pun: your right to swing your hand stops where the other person's buttock starts.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.11 21:22:00 - [ 180]
Let the dead thread die!!!!  |
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