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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:35:00 - [ 151]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 09:53:19 Originally by: Mudrat
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 08:31:31
1. He plays a few hours a week
2. He has 5 accounts
3. He has been playing for 2 months.
Something not right there at all  Why have 5 accounts if he only plays a few hours a week? Is he running macros or something?
Personaly, a I think the ISK sellers are doing the troll bandwagon. The isk sellers are trying to stop CCP removing the isk the sell, so the only thing they can do is fakeposts in a hope that CCP will stop removing isk.
Unfortunetly, such tactics are going to fail tbh. 
5 mining characters
i can only handle about an hour a day of looking at rocks. eventually it will become an hour every two days, th an two hours every week
you guys keep inflating the price of trit by suicide ganking, mass pvp in small ships and the eventual empyrian age impact on the economy and most people wont need to mine all day to make enough money to keep going. 20m an hour is satisfactory
Eh? What the crap has ganking noobs in high sec got to do with me? Price of high trit is a bad thing for miners??? You mine less because trit is priced higher? What type of logic is this! Why do I even care if you make 20mil/hour. My noob alt makes this much without even me being logged in to make orders competitive. And thats not even my main income source. What exactly is your point and what does it have to do with API key? Post your API or this whole thread is moot. |
Eternal Hatred
Amarr
Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:55:00 - [ 152]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
*Sends furb 1 billion, then reports him as a buyer
Infact, in some places, this is legit way to grief people. Send them alot of ISKies and petition them as a ISK buyers. I know many people who has suffered from this and I know more people who do this just for lulz. |
Scout McAlt |
Posted - 2008.04.28 09:57:00 - [ 153]
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2008.04.28 10:59:00 - [ 154]
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Fifth Horseman |
Posted - 2008.04.28 11:11:00 - [ 155]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
What exactly is your point and what does it have to do with API key? Post your API or this whole thread is moot.
You post your API key. Or your demand for an API key is moot. He didn't come here to try and prove to a bunch of closed minds what CCP are doing wrong. He came here to tell you they are doing wrong. You don't want to base your ideas on the overwhelming evidence CCP have already provided about the mistakes being routinely made, you want somebody's API key on the false promise you will look at it objectively, which you certainly never will. Anything you find with such an API key you will immediately twist into categoric proof that CCP are the Best Thing Since Sliced Bread (tm) and therefore it's just noise. And that goes for every API Key wanter. Not a single one of them would know what to do with it anyway, and they certainly wouldn't find anything other than love for CCP with one if they had it. So why continue the charade that you are somehow great, and that you can judge for yourself with an API key, there is no way that you could. This is known. It is known because the evidence already exists without API keys. CCP provided it. You still won't believe it. It is known. You are still in denial, as are all the other fanboiz. Your calls for API keys only demonstrate how far down the path of irrelevance you are. |
Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2008.04.28 11:19:00 - [ 156]
Fifth Horseman, I'm starting to wonder who you might be working for. |
Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative |
Posted - 2008.04.28 11:26:00 - [ 157]
eh, I would bet he is an alt of the OP and just trying to mess with everyone. |
Fifth Horseman |
Posted - 2008.04.28 11:29:00 - [ 158]
What's the matter fanboiz? Scared to look for yourself? Scared to find out GMs are following procedures that attack the innocent? Scared to find out that they know they are, but they don't stop doing it?
If I was as terrified of the truth as you people, I'd probably be hiding behind rampant fanboiism too. It's a pretty safe bet... lots of company. |
Maliber
TALON'S GRIP
Green Alliance |
Posted - 2008.04.28 11:30:00 - [ 159]
Edited by: Maliber on 28/04/2008 11:31:03 Originally by: Fifth Horseman
stuff
I sense much anger in you young one. Anger leads to the dark side.... On the whole its kinda a moot point. I think its to be expected that there is some collateral damage. Its sad but well i dont think everyone is perfect so its a acceptable loss. There is nothing to gain by whining about it or by being on ccp's side and trolling the whiners. All this discussion leads to one thing: more visibility of isk selling and ccp's campaign against it. And that is exactly what the sellers want more visibility for there threads. |
Esmenet
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.04.28 11:58:00 - [ 160]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Stuff
Well since you have been sent to jail 3 times for stealing why should we listen to anything you say? |
Ioci
Gallente
Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2008.04.28 12:01:00 - [ 161]
I agree with the OP.
If the GM's are going to ding people for transactions made by ISK traders, they need to stop transactions to players who might not have the faintest idea what is going on. I shouldn't sell stuff because an ISK trader might buy it? How much more disruptive does it need to get?
I'm not a greedy person and I would much rather see CPP get money than some 3rd party leech but the system of GM gods yanking ISK based on transactions in an open market is just wrong. If they pull ISK from my accounts, I'm going to do the exact same thing the OP did. Screw that. There are plenty of time sinks in this game. I don't need CPP's paranoia to deal with too. |
Cassandra Beckinsale |
Posted - 2008.04.28 12:43:00 - [ 162]
Edited by: Cassandra Beckinsale on 28/04/2008 12:43:51 Originally by: Ko Shimin
Also, the GM responded: "It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money." Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? No?? Then you friggin certainity is just circumstancial..
That why CCP arguments regarding ETC, ISK buyers, farmers and so on is a total **** created by CCP it self to gain even more money and for drive players to BUY ISK only form CCP. I would truly love to see how a CCP member staff can answer to such question: Oh really??? Do you have any proof that I DID PAY??? You have my bank statement proving that I payed anything to the owner of that character??? Pathetic CCP behavior. Edited: and this is why i vote for NO ETC and NO FARMER. NO TO ANY FORM OF REAL MONEY - ISK TRADING. |
Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade |
Posted - 2008.04.28 13:23:00 - [ 163]
Your a fracking isk buyer... a parasite....
You fail.
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Res Tance
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group |
Posted - 2008.04.28 13:31:00 - [ 164]
First off, it's impossible to categorically state whether the op was buying isk or not.
We just don't have enough evidence and so all we can do is guess.
There are people out there who do cheat however, and it seems EVE has no shortage of them. Whatever game they play they look for a way to gain some kind of advantage because losing, or being less powerful than someone else, directly affects their feeling of self worth.
Part of this mentatlity is also the need to justify their actions, as this is how they protect their ego. This is why very few people who are caught cheating, as with many convicted criminals, are able to turn around and admit they were wrong without attempting to justify their actions in some way.
There's even a quote from someone, who's name is now lost to us, who tried to justify their actions with the immortal words: "If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough".
The original op's apparent reluctance to pursue the available escalation process does raise a question about just how sure he is of his innocence. Alternatively, it could be a case of him not being bothered as he sees CCP's mistake as a sleight upon his character. I'd advice him to put his pride aside and do as much as he can to clear his name.
Fifth Horseman's approach to this matter, despite not being the original poster, is one of aggressive posturing which seems to be more aimed at attacking the measures put in place by CCP to prevent cheating rather than winning people over to his way of thinking.
The excessive use of the term "fanboi" is an attempt to belittle anyone who puts a positive slant onto measures aimed at making this game better for the majority of people. A particularly unhelpful, and occasionally destructive attitude, which in the end benefits few.
If there are people that disagree with you attempting to insult them will not convince them you're right.
CCP make mistakes, they are after all human, but there are channels that each player has at their dispoal to appeal against any decision. If there was no ability to escalate petitions then it would be a different matter. It does take a little bit of effort to do this, agreed, but I for one am happy to spend this time knowing that in the main there have been genuine isk sellers caught in the net.
If nothing esle these escalations will help CCP filter out future genuine ISK transfers, so as to reduce the chance of an innocent party being affected.
When it comes down to it this is a reactive measure by CCP caused by those unscrupulous players amongst us who just can't stand having to work for their gains.
I salute CCP for their hard work and hope that they iron the kinks out of the process as soon as they can. |
Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade |
Posted - 2008.04.28 13:36:00 - [ 165]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Why do I even care if you make 20mil/hour. My noob alt makes this much without even me being logged in to make orders competitive. And thats not even my main income source.
T20 T2 BPCs I bet.  |
Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund |
Posted - 2008.04.28 14:29:00 - [ 166]
GJ, make your "loss" even more severe.
If you get 300mil out of nowhere possibly by mistake you assume it is "your money"?
Also CCP can do whatever they please with *their* database in *their* game, they just tend not to touch what we consider "ours". So much for "robbing".
Whiny ISK sellers deserve clone grade alpha and pod in middle of hostile 0.0 so they have something to really whine about. And guess what, CCP could do that if they would be as nasty as you paint them.
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Fifth Horseman |
Posted - 2008.04.28 15:21:00 - [ 167]
Originally by: Res Tance
A particularly unhelpful, and occasionally destructive attitude, which in the end benefits few.
If there are people that disagree with you attempting to insult them will not convince them you're right.
Can you say that rampant fanboiism helps? Or any of standard run-of-mill fanboi mouthspew helps? I have never once said I intend to win them to my side, in fact, I have been consistent in my view that there is no hope whatsoever of convincing a fanboi that CCP is capable of mistakes. Even CCP claiming they made a mistake isn't enough to convince the fanboiz that they are. I thought I was very very clear about this, but apparently not. On these forums the first person to call for Proof or STFU wins any arguement. Providing he's pro-CCP. Anybody else can go jump. How about CCP prove something, anything. They've only ever attempted to prove one thing, once. And seeing as it was them cheating, and them providing evidence they didn't, then lol. Even when they are convicting you of something directly, they do it behind closed doors, on evidence that not a single person except CCP will ever be allowed to see, and there are no grounds for appeal that don't come without an inherent threat from CCP. And like I say, the only thing I want to see, is one of these vocal pro CCP rabblers suddenly get the stiff one eye from CCP and making a thread on it here, and having his own kind shout him down. That's pretty much Eve's end game for me, sod Titans. That's what these posts are all about, when that guy is forlornly protesting his innocence, I'm going to be linking his comments from here, with "What go around come around kid, and post your API key lol." attached underneath. CCP grant themselves the power to do whatever they like, it's their game, but nowhere, not one single line of the EULA says I have to like it. |
sethfon
Caldari
Apex Ultima
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Posted - 2008.04.28 15:44:00 - [ 168]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Res Tance
A particularly unhelpful, and occasionally destructive attitude, which in the end benefits few.
If there are people that disagree with you attempting to insult them will not convince them you're right.
Can you say that rampant fanboiism helps? Or any of standard run-of-mill fanboi mouthspew helps?
I have never once said I intend to win them to my side, in fact, I have been consistent in my view that there is no hope whatsoever of convincing a fanboi that CCP is capable of mistakes. Even CCP claiming they made a mistake isn't enough to convince the fanboiz that they are. I thought I was very very clear about this, but apparently not.
On these forums the first person to call for Proof or STFU wins any arguement. Providing he's pro-CCP. Anybody else can go jump.
How about CCP prove something, anything.
They've only ever attempted to prove one thing, once. And seeing as it was them cheating, and them providing evidence they didn't, then lol.
Even when they are convicting you of something directly, they do it behind closed doors, on evidence that not a single person except CCP will ever be allowed to see, and there are no grounds for appeal that don't come without an inherent threat from CCP.
And like I say, the only thing I want to see, is one of these vocal pro CCP rabblers suddenly get the stiff one eye from CCP and making a thread on it here, and having his own kind shout him down. That's pretty much Eve's end game for me, sod Titans. That's what these posts are all about, when that guy is forlornly protesting his innocence, I'm going to be linking his comments from here, with "What go around come around kid, and post your API key lol." attached underneath.
CCP grant themselves the power to do whatever they like, it's their game, but nowhere, not one single line of the EULA says I have to like it.
I like what you are saying! One day it will all come around to fanboys and ccp, Life has away of coming back and kicking you right in the B-lls. Keep up the good work Fifth and open mind that no one is perfic is what it is all about. |
Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
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Posted - 2008.04.28 16:08:00 - [ 169]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 16:14:27 Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Lord WarATron
What exactly is your point and what does it have to do with API key? Post your API or this whole thread is moot.
You post your API key. Or your demand for an API key is moot.
Actually, I have. CCP is no superhuman. They make mistakes like everyone else. If you have a problem, you go back and discuss it with the GM's. If you got overcharged at the supermarket, you dont shout and scream in the carpark about being ripped off, you go back to the information desk and sort it out. If the person chooses to make his case public, then he needs to supply public proof of what is going on. Sounds Obvious yes? This can be screenshots, API key or whatever he needs to prove to the public that he was wronged. Example. A long time ago eve uninstaller deleted non-eve folders if you installed eve in a certain way. A forum poster made his case public and told us exactly what had happened and allowed someone reading the thread to re-create the issue. This then got fixed. However, the poster did not just say "omg, CCP sapping mah files". he actually gave a lot of info. Look at the last sob story isk seller threads. Guy deletes 16mil SP char because he has a -700mil wallet. CCP return the char. He was upset over this massive loss and the sob story was only complete when the guy admitted to being a "habitual" isk buyer and carried on buying more isk to cover his losses. Again, nobody is 100% perfect. But if people are going to make a public case, then they need to let the public see the dirty laundry out as well. After all, not everybody is 100% perfect. |
GM Guard
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:01:00 - [ 170]
Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42
Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming about their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP):
You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam:
You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards,
Lead GM Guard
EVE Online Customer Support |
Abrazzar |
Posted - 2008.04.28 18:09:00 - [ 171]
Two-hundred-ten-billion ISK. 210,000,000,000.00 ISKNice job.  |
Cordran Li |
Posted - 2008.04.28 18:16:00 - [ 172]
OP got FRUGGED! |
Batwigg
Minmatar
B and D
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Posted - 2008.04.28 18:19:00 - [ 173]
Originally by: GM Guard
Bruminam:
You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards,
Lead GM Guard
EVE Online Customer Support
Owned? |
Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore |
Posted - 2008.04.28 18:20:00 - [ 174]
Originally by: GM Guard
Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42
Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players's private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming abouth their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP):
You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam:
You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards,
Lead GM Guard
EVE Online Customer Support
Anyone have a good "welp" image? |
Hebik Fane
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel |
Posted - 2008.04.28 18:27:00 - [ 175]
Originally by: GM Guard
Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42
Hi everyone.
We prefer to discuss players's private matters in petitions but since everyone is so forthcoming abouth their affairs on the forum we see no problem in touching on this briefly right here.
Ko Shimin (OP):
You have petitioned the loss of the ISK that was donated to your wallet by a verified ISK selling rookie character. Petitioning the removal was the correct choice since you maintain that you had no part in paying for the ISK and I urge you to finish the petition process by answering the questions we have asked on the details of your business with this character. We are eager to eliminate mistakes but there is very little we can do for you through the forums.
If you traded an item in exchange for a donation of 300 million ISK, simply give us more information about the trade. We can easily track the item, verify your story and correct the mistake if the trade took place.
Bruminam:
You received 3 donations from the ISK selling rookie character "Charcel Lacy" who was verified as an agent of "IGE.com" before being dismissed from Eve Online. The total of the three donations you received was 500 million ISK and after receiving the ISK you spent it or forwarded it. Charcel Lacy dispensed a total of 210 billion ISK in a matter of days in exchange for "nothing" before being stopped by our people. All of Charcel's ISK incidentally originated from macro miners, account hackers, 23/7 NPC hunters...and so on.
You petitioned the removal of the 500 million on the 22nd of april at 14:39. Two minutes later at 14:41, we replied explaining the reason for the removal, and amongst other things, offered to review your wallet and the nature of your business with Charcel. We have still not received a reply from you five days later, but please note that the offer still stands if you are willing to further explain the matter in the petition. We are more than happy to look into this for you properly.
Best Regards,
Lead GM Guard
EVE Online Customer Support
Can we refer to this as a truth bomb? |
Scout McAlt |
Posted - 2008.04.28 18:31:00 - [ 176]
/ms awaits Fifth Horseman calling GM Guard a fanboy post...... |
Karl Mattar
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Posted - 2008.04.28 18:35:00 - [ 177]
Originally by: GM Guard
Edited by: GM Guard on 28/04/2008 18:01:42
Hi everyone.
...
Best Regards,
Lead GM Guard
EVE Online Customer Support
OMG. You (CCP) need to do this far more often. Truth bomb this is. |
Fifth Horseman |
Posted - 2008.04.28 18:47:00 - [ 178]
Originally by: Scout McAlt
/ms awaits Fifth Horseman calling GM Guard a fanboy post......
No, it's just a job. I bet he saw it advertised in the local paper. I wouldn't eat your words just yet. The last thread like this started out the same way, smart ass GM being all proud and **** sure, then with Prism X and GM Nova back peddling like they were on steroids, then with a rather convenient Mitnal Ker-Plunk. It ain't over till the fat lady sings. It doesn't sound great for this pair at the this stage, but I'd rather wait and see, thankyaverrrymuch. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2008.04.28 19:01:00 - [ 179]
Originally by: Fifth Horseman
Originally by: Scout McAlt
/ms awaits Fifth Horseman calling GM Guard a fanboy post......
No, it's just a job. I bet he saw it advertised in the local paper.
I wouldn't eat your words just yet. The last thread like this started out the same way, smart ass GM being all proud and **** sure, then with Prism X and GM Nova back peddling like they were on steroids, then with a rather convenient Mitnal Ker-Plunk.
It ain't over till the fat lady sings. It doesn't sound great for this pair at the this stage, but I'd rather wait and see, thankyaverrrymuch.
After all, it isn't possible that you were wrong and even less likely that CCP are right. At least, not in your posts. It's ironic that you call people "fanboys", since you only ever make the most hostile posts about CCP and refuse to interpret anything that happens in anything other that that which casts them in the worst possible light. For what it's worth, I don't think that you're a butt-hurt ISK buyer, like whatsisname Stormborn (6.5Bn in the hole, LOL) or a propagandizing ISK seller. I think you're just an attention-seeking forum troll, with an outside chance that you're employed (or imagine yourself as being in their employ) by some other game company as an astroturfer (yes such people do exist). Since you hate worthless, incompetent, dishonest, cheating, lying, biased CCP so much, stop giving them your money. |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:41:00 - [ 180]
So this Charcel Lacy character had 210 BILLION isk?
How long does it take these farmers to make this?! |
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