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Latex Underwear
Posted - 2008.04.18 23:40:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
I think that those of you who are basing your judgments merely on the alliance tickers of the candidates are doing yourself a disfavor. You owe it to yourself to take the time to get to know the candidates prior to passing judgement.


The very fact that you're in goons, and goonfleet at that, says enough about who you are, where you're from, and what you want.

According to your own forums: grief and suffering for all non-goons.

I'm getting happier at knowing that this CSM is a paper tiger. As it won't allow the goons to screw the rest of us too badly.

Daveydweeb
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.18 23:41:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

*sexy pose*


I'm sorry, but you're still not as effeminate as me.

Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.18 23:47:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Arithron on 18/04/2008 23:51:00
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Only 3 females? Noone else truly independant, as in not belonging to some powerhungry corp?

Looks like I have the home-field advantage! Laughing

100% Female
100% Independant
100% Dedicated to YOU!

*sexy pose*


I AM truly independant...and my sex is irrelevant to the task of representing player issues on the CSM! Good play of the 'female' card though ;)

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.19 00:00:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Arithron
I AM truly independant...and my sex is irrelevant to the task of representing player issues on the CSM! Good play of the 'female' card though ;)

A one-player-corp is still an eviiiiil powerhungry corp!

Just kidding, of course. Good luck in the elections! Very Happy

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.04.19 00:17:00 - [35]
 

Bah. I think this whole election thing is wrong, but not voting would remove my right to object to the ones that made it in (as someone stated, lots of goonies... guess what happens).

Thing is, there is only one viable choice and having to choose from 1 isn't exactly a healthy way of doing things. I will (have to) vote but the choices are a bit limited.

Latex Underwear
Posted - 2008.04.19 00:26:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Latex Underwear on 19/04/2008 00:27:57
Originally by: Tarminic
And so it begins...




Originally by: Cailais
6 Goonswarm. The future looks bleak.

C.



5000 members / 6 candidates = 800 votes per candidate. They won't win anything with those numbers, honestly.



Check your math. :)

200,000 accounts (roughly)

Probably less than 20% even know there is an EvE-O but we'll assume 20% of them know about the CSM. So there are 40,000 potential voters.

Looking at RL voter turnout, for important things like provincial and federal government, and you're under 50%. By-elections and municiple elections hover around 40%. This is even less important so will probably have an even lower turnout. But we'll use 50% for this exercise. So 20,000 votes.

There are 28 candidates with an average of 714 votes available per candidate.

Goons have a history of mobilising their members so, realistically, that 5000 member power block with 6 candidates doesn't look so unlikely anymore.

These numbers obviously assume that all 200,000 accounts represent active players - when we all know that many of those are in hibernation; they're paid up but not played so the actual base membership is lower driving the weight of the goon vote up.

One could argue that more than 20% of the population of EvE reads the forums - but look at your own alliances and I'm sure you'll agree that 20% is generous.


Daveydweeb
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.19 00:37:00 - [37]
 

Quote:
Goons have a history of mobilising their members so, realistically, that 5000 member power block with 6 candidates doesn't look so unlikely anymore.


Apparently you haven't noticed the severe participation problems that have been putting Goonswarm on the back foot against BoB.



:3

Raymund DeTyre
Posted - 2008.04.19 03:43:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Raymund DeTyre on 19/04/2008 03:53:49
Edited by: Raymund DeTyre on 19/04/2008 03:44:01
Originally by: Xenofur
interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon.


I might agree with that and even bring myself to vote for a Goon if they showed they in fact had the brains to do the job. However, since the onset of thier Jihad I WILL NOT be voting for any Goonswarm, regardless of thier handle on the issues, and would recommend that no one else do either. If they cared that much for this game or the community they wouldn't have started thier campaign to begin with.

Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society
Posted - 2008.04.19 03:55:00 - [39]
 

Missing the only stat that matters, what percentage of the EVE population voted?

Dannie Trejo
Red Federation
Posted - 2008.04.19 04:21:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Dannie Trejo on 19/04/2008 04:27:44
Edited by: Dannie Trejo on 19/04/2008 04:23:19
Edited by: Dannie Trejo on 19/04/2008 04:21:03
Originally by: Raymund DeTyre
Edited by: Raymund DeTyre on 19/04/2008 03:53:49
Edited by: Raymund DeTyre on 19/04/2008 03:44:01
Originally by: Xenofur
interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon.


I might agree with that and even bring myself to vote for a Goon if they showed they in fact had the brains to do the job. However, since the onset of thier Jihad I WILL NOT be voting for any Goonswarm, regardless of thier handle on the issues, and would recommend that no one else do either. If they cared that much for this game or the community they wouldn't have started thier campaign to begin with.


I don't believe that any of the candidates have actually participated in JihadSwarm -- you could double-check this on the JS killboard, since they replace the character names with their Goonfleet forum names to make tracking easier.

Now, as far as refusing to vote for someone because of their affiliation regardless of their skills or knowledge, I think you need to justify that position. You're telling us that you'd rather the CSM be a council of fools than the democratic (read: representative and meritocratic) group that CCP are aiming for, without caring what the individual candidates' stance on JihadSwarm might be or whether it's going to affect their role as a representative. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why any of the Goonswarm candidates would be harmful to the CSM or the playerbase.

EDIT: fffff, wrong character. Full disclosure: this is Daveydweeb's alt.

D'ceet
Posted - 2008.04.19 04:31:00 - [41]
 

Since i am unable to participate in this CSM election - due to my inability to secure a passport in time, i hereby take this time to back the following candidates, failing one the other will take the place (in no particular order)
Jade Constantine
Lavista Vista

Noghri ViR(assuming he gives me my battleship ;P)

Daveydweeb - anyone who wants to reduce tedious pos warfare automatically gets on this list

Dannie Trejo
Red Federation
Posted - 2008.04.19 04:37:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: D'ceet
Daveydweeb - anyone who wants to reduce tedious pos warfare automatically gets on this list


What can I say, I'm sick of setting up deathstars for six hours at a time.

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.19 05:59:00 - [43]
 

VOTE FOR OZ!!! CoolVery Happy

Oz is a truly dedicated and gifted...




Okay, Oz, if you want me to say more then I need a check with more zeros, m8. YARRRR!!

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2008.04.19 06:34:00 - [44]
 

hahaha, cheers sel

Noghri ViR
GoonFleet
Posted - 2008.04.19 07:33:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Noghri ViR on 19/04/2008 07:37:40
Originally by: D'ceet
Since i am unable to participate in this CSM election - due to my inability to secure a passport in time, i hereby take this time to back the following candidates, failing one the other will take the place (in no particular order)
Jade Constantine
Lavista Vista

Noghri ViR(assuming he gives me my battleship ;P)

Daveydweeb - anyone who wants to reduce tedious pos warfare automatically gets on this list


Oh I was planning on a carrier in every hanger. My slogan is "A Chicken in Every Pot. A carrier in every hangar bay" It's a play on Herbert Hoover's campagin slogan in 1928. "A Chicken in Every Pot. A car in every garage"

As soon as I get done with the proofreading I'll have my issues up at my campaign website:
http://noghri08.wordpress.com/

My #1 issue is to get CCP to address lag.
#2 figure out a better alternative to POS warfare.
#3 getting Titans back to their original idea of mobile outpost instead of giant I win buttons that they currently are.

then various other issues I'll have posted on the site. But like I said, lag is the big priority. The need for speed program was a joke. I'd really like to have CCP get a thrid party consultant company in there to verify they have done every thing they should possibly be doing to get the most out of their hardware. I'm a HIPAA security officer for a health care company and I'm required to have third parties come in and test my work. It shows me what I'm doing wrong and what I can be doing better. There should be the same type of program established here.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.19 07:39:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Xenofur
interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon.

Then you haven't informed yourself well enough on the other candidates.

I think I easily meet all those criteria, being a game designer in real life, playing this game since 2003, and having a well above-average IQ, and I'm sure there are other candidates that meet your criteria as well. Read up on them. :)

THEHUNTER123
Stargate SG-1
Posted - 2008.04.19 08:32:00 - [47]
 

right im selling my vote any1 wanna buy it Cool 1 ISK

MOOstradamus
Posted - 2008.04.19 08:43:00 - [48]
 


Where is all the compiled personal information on each candidate Question

I want to know whether I'm voting for a 18 year old layabout student, a 25 year old geek in a deadend job or a 42 year old Company CEO recently divorced by his cheating younger wife who not only took the kids, house & money but also the dog Question

We the playerbase need to know the real life state of mind of the candidates before entrusting them with our EVE futures Idea Exclamation

D'ceet
Posted - 2008.04.19 08:51:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Noghri ViR
Edited by: Noghri ViR on 19/04/2008 07:37:40

Oh I was planning on a carrier in every hanger. My slogan is "A Chicken in Every Pot. A carrier in every hangar bay" It's a play on Herbert Hoover's campagin slogan in 1928. "A Chicken in Every Pot. A car in every garage"




ill take the carrier then =P
Originally by: Noghri ViR
My #1 issue is to get CCP to address lag.
you have my vote
Originally by: Noghri ViR
#2 figure out a better alternative to POS warfare.
you have my vote times two
Originally by: Noghri ViR
#3 getting Titans back to their original idea of mobile outpost instead of giant I win buttons that they currently are.
can i just sell you my soul now?

Very Happy



Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.04.19 09:04:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Xenofur
interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon.

Then you haven't informed yourself well enough on the other candidates.

I think I easily meet all those criteria, being a game designer in real life, playing this game since 2003, and having a well above-average IQ, and I'm sure there are other candidates that meet your criteria as well. Read up on them. :)




That is not the problem, the problem is trust.

- can I trust this person to not be biased
- can I trust this person to be able to discuss things without throwing a fit
- can I trust this person to be logical and level headed
- can I trust this person NOT to swamp each and any discussion into a bureaucracy of just hollow words where the discussion ends in how rule 37 sub D interferes with rule 82 sub C, and how there should be formed a committee to find out how to deal with that.
- can I trust this person to be active, to have prescence
- can I trust this person not to want to "ruin the game" as their corp/alliance history suggests

Ideally, I'd vote for Verone since his history has shown to be an ideal candidate and... he HAS a history. I'm looking for someone who has shown to be level headed and not be afraid to peel away the political bullsh!t, drama, bias and nonsense to come down to the actual stuff that matters.

Your IQ, technical background or the fact that you're a game designer has nothing to do with that.




Larice
Minmatar
Seven Provinces
Posted - 2008.04.19 09:20:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Only 3 females? Noone else truly independant, as in not belonging to some powerhungry corp?

Looks like I have the home-field advantage! Laughing

100% Female
100% Independant
100% Dedicated to YOU!

*sexy pose*


Hmm. Interesting. One thing bothers me though..... the name. Couldn't you have come up with something a little easier? Razz Ankie perhaps? Very Happy

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.19 09:34:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Tzar'rim

That is not the problem, the problem is trust.

- can I trust this person to not be biased
- can I trust this person to be able to discuss things without throwing a fit
- can I trust this person to be logical and level headed
- can I trust this person NOT to swamp each and any discussion into a bureaucracy of just hollow words where the discussion ends in how rule 37 sub D interferes with rule 82 sub C, and how there should be formed a committee to find out how to deal with that.
- can I trust this person to be active, to have prescence
- can I trust this person not to want to "ruin the game" as their corp/alliance history suggests

Ideally, I'd vote for Verone since his history has shown to be an ideal candidate and... he HAS a history. I'm looking for someone who has shown to be level headed and not be afraid to peel away the political bullsh!t, drama, bias and nonsense to come down to the actual stuff that matters.

Your IQ, technical background or the fact that you're a game designer has nothing to do with that.


I see your point. This is a problem inherent with the internet, you cannot see the person on the other side, and voice and body language are important if you want to know what type of person you're dealing with, and you only get the information that the candidates want you to know, as you cannot see or visit the person to gather anything yourself.

As far as I know, there are some debates planned soon, so you can get a little taste of what the candidates are like, how they present their viewpoints, and how they handle discussions.

Originally by: Larice
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Only 3 females? Noone else truly independant, as in not belonging to some powerhungry corp?

Looks like I have the home-field advantage! Laughing

100% Female
100% Independant
100% Dedicated to YOU!

*sexy pose*


Hmm. Interesting. One thing bothers me though..... the name. Couldn't you have come up with something a little easier? Razz Ankie perhaps? Very Happy


Ankh or Ankie is fine with me, or you can just use my real-life name, which is Eva and thus conveniently short. Very Happy (my real name happens to be the Dutch variant of Eve, in case anyone wonders)

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.04.19 09:45:00 - [53]
 

Wait, are you trying to use any means neccesary to secure votes? ie, NOT try to be "professional" about it but flaunting the fact that you're a female? There's a word for that...


In my mind you just lost any credibility you might have had, fail.

Xenofur
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.04.19 09:48:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Xenofur on 19/04/2008 12:10:48
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Xenofur
interestingly enough the only candidate who seems to have the brains, the knowledge how to act in a professional environment and also the technical knowledge is a goon.

Then you haven't informed yourself well enough on the other candidates.

I think I easily meet all those criteria, being a game designer in real life, playing this game since 2003, and having a well above-average IQ, and I'm sure there are other candidates that meet your criteria as well. Read up on them. :)
with all due respect:

Your campaign text looks like that of a mere roleplayer with no technical qualifications or aspirations. It is my belief that any CSM candidate should have an intimate knowledge and a great interest of Eve's inner workings.

Furthermore: I won't be doing any reading up. All i read are the texts on this page: [ http://myeve.eve-online.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp? ] If they don't give me the necessary info, then the candidate does not have the knowledge of how to act in a professional environment and will also have problems in bringing their points across to CCP.

Lastly, mentioning your IQ in any way, shape or form is a strike against you, no matter whether it's below 50 or above 150 or anywhere inbetween. I will leave it as an intellectual exercise to you to figure out why that is.

--

Small note to Tzar'rim: Goons as a group may be detestable at times and merely amusing at others. However try to keep in mind that the goons have roots and a history as well. Their roots are a forum that is based on wit and humour, but also harbours extreme nerdery. They are a very divere group with members reaching from potato-like minds to pure brilliance, especially when it comes to technology. If you do not believe me, i suggest to try reading the Let's Play or the Serious Hardware/Software Crap forum on somethingawful.

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.04.19 09:57:00 - [55]
 

True, but;

The entity Goonswarm has a history of cheating, ****posting, making a mess of things and in general just being annoying on the forums. Thus any goonswarm member gets that label, if he doesn't like having that label he shouldn't have joined them.

Is that a simplistic and short sighted aproach? Yes ofcourse it is but unless proven otherwise it's the only thing I can do. If you want to know how someone acts in the future, look at his history... stuff like that.


Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.19 10:05:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Xenofur
with all due respect:

Your campaign text looks like that of a mere roleplayer with no technical qualifications or aspirations. It is my belief that any CSM candidate should have an intimate knowledge and a great interest of Eve's inner workings.

Furthermore: I won't be doing any reading up. All i read are the texts on this page: [ http://myeve.eve-online.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp? ] If they don't give me the necessary info, then the candidate does not have the knowledge of how to act in a professional environment and will also have problems in bringing their points across to CCP.

Hello Xenofur, I guarantee that I most definately in the "technical qualifications or aspirations" aspect. I'm actually not much of a roleplayer, game mechanics are what interest me. I could have written in the text that I'm a game designer and programmer currently working on a project for one of the most famous game designers around blah blah, but then I might get questions that I wouldn't be able to answer due to strict NDAs, and I think it would have looked quite arrogant as well.

It was a tough decission as to what to put in the text, but I think people are more interested in what I can do for them, and that it was important to mention my independant status, thus I focussed on that part. There were different approaches, but I cannot write a text to please everyone.

Originally by: Xenofur

Lastly, mentioning your IQ in any way, shape or form is a strike against you, no matter whether it's below 50 or above 150 or anywhere inbetween. I will leave it as an intellectual exercise to you to figure out why that is.

That was not meant as a brag, it was in direct response to someone that questioned if I had the brains to be up for this task. This is the case, I'd say.

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.04.19 10:15:00 - [57]
 

Apart from that, Ankhesentapemkah is a 4 year old alt in an NPC corp. Therefore we are unable to understand the background, political bias or other drives she might have. Since it's an alt there is no ownership or accountability.

It doesn't help the trustworthyness.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.19 10:17:00 - [58]
 

It's my main.

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.04.19 10:18:00 - [59]
 

Then you have been playing EVE for 4 years without being in a corp. There must be a reason to that, can you explain to me why on earth you want to play an MMO solo without being part of a group?

Xenofur
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.04.19 10:26:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Xenofur on 19/04/2008 12:10:49
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
There were different approaches, but I cannot write a text to please everyone.
Of course, after all the goal here is to elect a group, not the one. :)

Regarding your professional position, knowing that would have made me more likely to lean towards you, but you would've needed to communicate it properly as well. Mentioning that your company is "famous" would indeed have been quite a mistake, however mentioning that it is "commercially very successful" would have been a point in your favor in my books.


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