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Research Associate |
Posted - 2008.04.17 00:32:00 - [ 1]
Which items provide the best compression ratio, especially for low ends? It appears that now passive targeters only compress trit like 1:5, and capital jump bridges are now 10,000m3 (i thought they were lower before). |
IonHammer
Minmatar
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Merciless. |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:08:00 - [ 2]
the nerf bat is in on compression
thats what cap industrial ships are for to compress ore to move to empire and jump freightors for moving good amounts around low sec.
Enjoy |
Maglorre |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:09:00 - [ 3]
I know how to shoehorn 145 million units of trit (and loads of other mins as well) into a carrier... but I'm not going to tell you how. It's not hard to figure out. |
Kerfira
Kerfira Corp |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:13:00 - [ 4]
Carriers can carry haulers...
Ammo can be carried in ships in carriers hangar...
Some XL ammo types are 20:1 compression....
'nuff said!
PS: Yes, I'm posting this so CCP can see it and nerf it! Importing stuff from empire to 0.0 should be close to impossible....
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Maglorre |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:22:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: Kerfira
Carriers can carry haulers...
Ammo can be carried in ships in carriers hangar...
Some XL ammo types are 20:1 compression....
'nuff said!
PS: Yes, I'm posting this so CCP can see it and nerf it! Importing stuff from empire to 0.0 should be close to impossible....
Actually, I find it much more usefull the other directions... trit can be bought surprisingly cheaply in some 0.0 regions  . And no, it's not XL ammo. |
Fulbert
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:26:00 - [ 6]
Drones... :D |
Research Associate |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:28:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Research Associate on 17/04/2008 01:30:22 Originally by: Maglorre
I know how to shoehorn 145 million units of trit (and loads of other mins as well) into a carrier... but I'm not going to tell you how. It's not hard to figure out.
 Everything has to be a trade secret.... I assume you aren't using any carrier sploits...and that you aren't counting the ship bay...thats like a compression ratio of 75:1 ? Thats pretty solid. Now I just need to figure out how to us this goddamn eve data dump and get the info. EDIT: oh yeah...the drone bay :) I'll look into that...anything better than XL ammo you can stuff into the regular cargo? |
Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
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Posted - 2008.04.17 01:29:00 - [ 8]
Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 01:40:32Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 01:33:13 Originally by: Maglorre
Originally by: Kerfira
Carriers can carry haulers...
Ammo can be carried in ships in carriers hangar...
Some XL ammo types are 20:1 compression....
'nuff said!
PS: Yes, I'm posting this so CCP can see it and nerf it! Importing stuff from empire to 0.0 should be close to impossible....
Actually, I find it much more usefull the other directions... trit can be bought surprisingly cheaply in some 0.0 regions . And no, it's not XL ammo.
Bombs? :P Worst skills I believe you can make 2 concussion bombs with 27,000m3 of minerals. The two bombs take up 150m3 :P Edit: Yes, I looked up it. With near perfect skills and research I think you can make those 2 bombs for a little less then 21,200m3 of minerals - and those bombs take up 150m3. So thats a 141.33:1 ratio - however thats between many different kind of minerals - but tritanium is the main thing. You can fit 7 mark V's in a carrier with 435 bombs in each. They all have expanders on the lows, and GSC's - but NO rigs. That's 3045 bombs in total, and thats without making use of carrier cargo and/or corporation hanger. |
Maglorre |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:37:00 - [ 9]
Nope, not bombs. Didn't even see bombs anywhere near the top of the list in my queries (I'm assuming they were in the data but I don't have access at the moment).
And no, there is no exploits involved and neither is it drones... |
Nobues
Gallente
Friends of Xenon
Disturbed Behavior |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:39:00 - [ 10]
Originally by: Maglorre
I know how to shoehorn 145 million units of trit (and loads of other mins as well) into a carrier... but I'm not going to tell you how. It's not hard to figure out.
thats not alot m8, I can pop about 200m units of trit, about 20 to 30m units of pry and tons of others. |
Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
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Posted - 2008.04.17 01:43:00 - [ 11]
Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 01:51:57Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 01:47:28 Originally by: Maglorre
Nope, not bombs. Didn't even see bombs anywhere near the top of the list in my queries (I'm assuming they were in the data but I don't have access at the moment).
And no, there is no exploits involved and neither is it drones...
Well if my numbers here are right - and there is no penalty specifically from when you repro bombs - the compression ratios for trit in those bombs would blow your stuff out of the water - however your compressing a lot more then trit, and its more expensive. About 1.415 million trit per bomb - multiply that by the total bombs those 7 mark V's are capable of holding. Edit: We'll EVEMEEP says that there is a penalty from repro with this specific item so your losing most of the minerals u put into it - though EVEMEEP can be buggy at times. Something new on my SiSi to-do list then :P Edit: I checked - there is a penalty on that item :( We'll I suppose thats something too huge for CCP to overlook. |
Treean |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:47:00 - [ 12]
cap ships. They even come with their own jump drive. Jump em out and refine em down. |
Maglorre |
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:54:00 - [ 13]
Didn't notice this before but... 7 Itty Vs in a carrier? Thought you could only fit 3. The hauler is 275k m3, carrier ship array is 1,000k m3 And there is something I'd never noticed before about bombs. They seem to refine to a lot less than it takes to build... see here.It does rely on using Itty 5's with full racks of T2 expanders (not sure if I used rigs or not) but you can't use GSCs in them any more. |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
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Posted - 2008.04.17 01:59:00 - [ 14]
Why do you guys try to find ways to work around things like this?
"Dur I can still compress minerals hurhur" and what not.
You all act like babies. |
Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
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Posted - 2008.04.17 02:02:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 02:05:33Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 02:04:45Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 02:03:17Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 02:02:04 Originally by: Maglorre
Didn't notice this before but... 7 Itty Vs in a carrier? Thought you could only fit 3. The hauler is 275k m3, carrier ship array is 1,000k m3
And there is something I'd never noticed before about bombs. They seem to refine to a lot less than it takes to build... see here.
It does rely on using Itty 5's with full racks of T2 expanders (not sure if I used rigs or not) but you can't use GSCs in them any more.
It sounds as if your behind in times. Trinity changed the game so that you cannot put anything in the cargoholds of your ships in the maintenance hanger - except for ammo. They also doubled the ship maintence hanger on all carriers, so its now 2,000,000m3. A Mark V unpacked takes up 275,000m3. In terms of the bomb refine, I'm aware of that. Read my last post. If you can no longer use GSC's - I guess I didn't take that into consideration :P but still - 7 Mark V's without rigs should be 25,750m3 each. That would amount to 180,250m3 space. |
Treean |
Posted - 2008.04.17 02:02:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Why do you guys try to find ways to work around things like this?
"Dur I can still compress minerals hurhur" and what not.
You all act like babies.
Not really sure how an intimate knowledge of module makeup qualifies as acting like a "baby". |
Maglorre |
Posted - 2008.04.17 02:08:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Treean
Not really sure how an intimate knowledge of module makeup qualifies as acting like a "baby".
It's because we aren't running around killing people and ratting in dreadnaughts like all the grown ups do. I'm not behind the times. I know you can only put ammo into haulers inside carriers. Ship maintenance arrays used to be 500k m3 and i thought they were now 1000k m3. If I'm wrong there then obviously you can get a lot more in. I've never actually used a carrier to do this only haulers but I have run the numbers on it. |
sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2008.04.17 02:36:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Amastat
Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 02:05:33
Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 02:04:45
Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 02:03:17
Edited by: Amastat on 17/04/2008 02:02:04
Originally by: Maglorre
Didn't notice this before but... 7 Itty Vs in a carrier? Thought you could only fit 3. The hauler is 275k m3, carrier ship array is 1,000k m3
And there is something I'd never noticed before about bombs. They seem to refine to a lot less than it takes to build... see here.
It does rely on using Itty 5's with full racks of T2 expanders (not sure if I used rigs or not) but you can't use GSCs in them any more.
It sounds as if your behind in times.
Trinity changed the game so that you cannot put anything in the cargoholds of your ships in the maintenance hanger - except for ammo. They also doubled the ship maintence hanger on all carriers, so its now 2,000,000m3. A Mark V unpacked takes up 275,000m3.
In terms of the bomb refine, I'm aware of that. Read my last post.
If you can no longer use GSC's - I guess I didn't take that into consideration :P but still - 7 Mark V's without rigs should be 25,750m3 each. That would amount to 180,250m3 space.
hmmm my carrier has 1 mil ship bay not 2 mil |
Research Associate |
Posted - 2008.04.17 03:38:00 - [ 19]
Well I guess then I'm off to try to get all the stuff form the data dump into a spreadsheet...
Wouldn't manufacturing time be an issue for something like ammo? I guess if you have 5 alts running nonstop not so much...but I'd imagine your buddies out in 0.0 wouldn't be too happy with you using 45 factories. |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
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Posted - 2008.04.17 03:45:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Treean
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Why do you guys try to find ways to work around things like this?
"Dur I can still compress minerals hurhur" and what not.
You all act like babies.
Not really sure how an intimate knowledge of module makeup qualifies as acting like a "baby".
Whooooooosh. That went right over your head. |
Research Associate |
Posted - 2008.04.17 08:30:00 - [ 21]
Hmm I got to 160mil trit if you use 90000m3 of ammo in Itty's in the ship bay, 15000m3 of mods in your cargo and corp hangar, and your whole drone bay. The drone compression is fairly inefficient, but its something.
The most I get with just the corp hangar is 30mil...so maybe i'm picking the wrong mod?
Hints? I tried going through the eve data dump but i used the trinity 1.0 version...maybe that was why i didn't see it? |
DORIAN GRACE |
Posted - 2008.04.17 08:39:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Maglorre
I know how to shoehorn 145 million units of trit (and loads of other mins as well) into a carrier... but I'm not going to tell you how. It's not hard to figure out.
Bah , i can fit 1000 alloyed tritanium bars in a shuttle, speaking of shuttles......... |
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