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Topic |
Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten. |
Posted - 2008.04.15 12:54:00 - [ 1]
I know nothing of salvage components and rig production. Are these expensive because a lot goes into making them, or because production can't keep up with demand, or a combination of both? Obviously these are some of the most popular items right now but I was really shocked to see them going for 70 mil. |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:56:00 - [ 2]
 Originally by: Alowishus
I know nothing of salvage components and rig production.
that's Your problem. Go make pair of them for Yourself. It's not hard (skill-wise) and give You a good idea in the answer to Your question. (And I permanently see these for around 40mil, dunno where You got 70) |
Idxx
Amarr
Dirty Tricks
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:57:00 - [ 3]
Very high demand, for starters.
Second, the price for Alloyed Trit Bars has gone through the roof, since the demand for those follows the trend for the PC rig, and their supply is low. Arguably the biggest supply of those salvage pieces was from angel extravaganza, which has been disabled for months. Its either back now, or they are bringing it back in the next patch, I can't remember which, so expect the price to come down some. |
Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction |
Posted - 2008.04.15 13:02:00 - [ 4]
They're expensive because they require ~100 Alloyed Trit bars, which cost ~500k each. Going a level deeper, what your question really asks is "Why are alloyed trit bars so expensive" - and that is basically down to supply vs demand. There are lots of rich people in EVE that will pay large amounts of money for things they need, and if you get lots of these people buying trit bars faster than salvagers get them to market, they end up essentially getting in a bidding war and driving the price up.
In the short term, the only way that the trit bars are going to get cheaper is if more of them are delivered to the market - either through an increase in their drop rate, or through more people deciding it's worthwhile to salvage Angel missions. Fortunately the high price makes the latter more likely.
Alternatively, the price will do down if there is less demand for them, which may well happen if polycarbons are made less effective. Unlike other raw materials in EVE such as basic minerals, I'm not aware of any lower bound on the price for a piece of salvage, so if for some reason no-one wanted trit bars any more their price could go right down, below even 100 ISK a piece. |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League |
Posted - 2008.04.15 13:03:00 - [ 5]
Head over to great wildlands. NPC 0.0 region with Angel rats - used to get a ton of alloyed tritanium bars. You need >100 of them to build a polycarbon rig (hence high cost). |
Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten. |
Posted - 2008.04.15 13:10:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
that's Your problem. Go make pair of them for Yourself.
No thanks. Production is not how I personally want to spend my subscription time. I was looking at the Lonetrek market, that could be my problem on the 70 mil vs. 40 mil discrepancy. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:16:00 - [ 7]
Prices should be going down hard, soon, since Angel Extravaganza L4 is making a comeback.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:23:00 - [ 8]
It takes a 100-ish Alloyed Tritanium Bars which are expensive.
Alloyed Tritanium bars are expensive - beacuse, well, they both don't appear as salvage all that much so supply is fairly low, and demand is fairly high due to both polycarbon rigs (best rig for speed) and cargohold optimization rigs (only rig to increase hauling capacity, also very expensive) requiring preety big amounts of Alloyed Tritanium bars, and both rigs are fairly popular.
So it's a mix of high production requirements, low supply and high demand.
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roadrage639
Quatidion
The OSS |
Posted - 2008.04.15 13:34:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Alowishus
I know nothing of salvage components and rig production.
that's Your problem. Go make pair of them for Yourself. It's not hard (skill-wise) and give You a good idea in the answer to Your question.
(And I permanently see these for around 40mil, dunno where You got 70)
Learn to show respect noob cake. |
Terraform
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:36:00 - [ 10]
too much nano-***gotry, that's why! |
Anira
Minmatar
Chrysohelios |
Posted - 2008.04.15 13:37:00 - [ 11]
Actually the production side is as easy as it gets. The bpo's and bpc's are cheap, skill requirementsd low, production times quite fast.
The only thing making them so expensive is the limited supply of alloyed tritanium bars. |
Tammarr |
Posted - 2008.04.15 13:40:00 - [ 12]
They got a bunch of components going into them, that are as been said, quite high priced. Ontop of that the rig itself is better statwise then the t2 module(!) which should indicate it to be quite pricey... or not well tought out :) |
Paddington
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2008.04.15 13:55:00 - [ 13]
cause nano***s love them. |
Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten. |
Posted - 2008.04.15 14:09:00 - [ 14]
I expected this to turn into a discussion about the nano-tactic, or to be accused of creating a stealth nano-whine. I understand the cost dynamics now so the discussion of nano-***s would probably be better in one of the 20 million other threads on the topic.  |
Gorken
Fire House Industries |
Posted - 2008.04.15 14:20:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Akita T
Prices should be going down hard, soon, since Angel Extravaganza L4 is making a comeback.
I probably missed this somewhere, but did they take out Angel Extravaganza L4 because of the bonus room droping faction loot or something? |
Forty Three
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2008.04.15 14:41:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: Paddington
cause nano***s love them.
You're a nano***! |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League |
Posted - 2008.04.15 14:44:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Tonto Auri
that's Your problem. Go make pair of them for Yourself.
No thanks. Production is not how I personally want to spend my subscription time.
I was looking at the Lonetrek market, that could be my problem on the 70 mil vs. 40 mil discrepancy.
I sustained my piracy with some basic production skills to maintain some independence of high-sec markets. It won't take much time at all - and you will save yourself tons of isk in the long run making your own rigs. Camping a gate = lots of ratting BS wrecks = lots of salvage to make your own rigs.  P.S. Making something take 30-seconds. Right-click the blueprint - manufacture - (make sure you have all the parts) - start job. Go back to pvp - come back to hanger in 8 minutes when rig is made. Cha-ching. |
Morthis Rygal
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2008.04.15 15:29:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Morthis Rygal on 15/04/2008 15:30:59
I'm not sure how people can say that the reintroduction of angel extravaganza will really change ATB prices.
There's currently plenty of good angel missions, I think that is setting ATB prices so high atm is the demand, not a serious lack of supply. Blockade, vengeance, worlds collide, pirate invasion, hell, even smuggler interception and some others I can't think of drop a good chunk of ATB's. I doubt AE will be much better than blockade, for example. On a good angel mission I can easily walk away with 20-30 ATB's.
The problem isn't the availability of good angel missions, it's getting those missions instead of crappy drone ones. ><
Well that and people either not salvaging (big mistake for angel missions imo, I can make more from salvage than I do from bounty, and salvaging is quicker) or not doing missions in the right area (Don't think CN, one of the most popular mission corps, has anything good in minny space) |
Paddington
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan |
Posted - 2008.04.15 15:33:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Forty Three
Originally by: Paddington
cause nano***s love them.
You're a nano***!
yer but i dont use polys :D |
Ghengis Tia |
Posted - 2008.04.15 15:34:00 - [ 20]
Spent two weeks ratting in Minmatar space specifically for ATBs. Ended up with about 70, but what a grind...
I expect if I went to low-sec and were real careful I could have saved a lot of time due to the better Angel salvage potential, but I found Minmatar space a bit crowded for my taste.
It seems every rig has one component that is particularly hard to get, and those are 500k on the market.
Pick your poison, rigs are tricky at best, and frustrating at worst. I put in a range extender rig for my projectile weapons and now have to deal with a 10% higher powergrid penalty for projectile weapons. Plays havoc with your fitting scheme.
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Morthis Rygal
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2008.04.15 15:38:00 - [ 21]
Don't rat in minny space, do missions. Most missions either have a specified enemy that doesn't change (ie drone missions, merc missions, etc), or there's different versions of the mission for different rats. If you mission in minny space, missions for which an angel version exists will always give you the angel version (same for caldari - gurista, gallente - serpentis and amarr - sansha/blood raiders).
Course that does mean you have to work for minmatar corps. I couldn't find any really good agents in min space that weren't for a minny corp. |
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2008.04.15 15:58:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Morthis Rygal
Edited by: Morthis Rygal on 15/04/2008 15:30:59
I'm not sure how people can say that the reintroduction of angel extravaganza will really change ATB prices.
Six words... Mission available from Caldari Navy Agents. |
Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:58:00 - [ 23]
one of the components for the production is quite rare to get and you need alot for one rig. + the demand is REALLY high :) |
Morthis Rygal
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance |
Posted - 2008.04.15 17:25:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Morthis Rygal
Edited by: Morthis Rygal on 15/04/2008 15:30:59
I'm not sure how people can say that the reintroduction of angel extravaganza will really change ATB prices.
Six words...
Mission available from Caldari Navy Agents.
Unless AE is different from the other missions, CN agents in Caldari space will give Gurista's Extravaganza. |
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2008.04.15 18:03:00 - [ 25]
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:07:00 - [ 26]
Not only are the polycarbon rigs in very high demand, but they also need Alloyed Tritanium Bars to produce and those are needed for other rigs that are also in very high demand. |
Ban Shui
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:14:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: Ban Shui on 15/04/2008 18:14:53
The mods are expensive because a lot of people fit speed rigs to their nanoships for pvp, which they then loose with some frequency. So, the mods are consumed at a fairly rapid rate. |
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2008.04.15 18:16:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Not only are the polycarbon rigs in very high demand, but they also need Alloyed Tritanium Bars to produce and those are needed for other rigs that are also in very high demand.
Actually the only rig that actually competes with the Polycarb for tritanium bars is the Cargohold optimization rig. The rest of the rigs that use alloyed tritanium bars are hardly even built. The other two rigs that use tritanium bars are the Engine Thermal Shielding and Dynamic Fuel Valve rigs. And nobody in his right mind would build one of those two rigs unless there was some very specific purpose. |
Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 18:43:00 - [ 29]
the only rigs that have no side effect
powergrid rigs - pure benefit, extra PG, extra CAP
astronautic rigs - pure industrial ownage (m3), pure speed superiority
all other rigs have limited use// have very dramatic side effects
gunnery/missile launcher rigs - have fitting restraints
armor rigs - reduce the speed
surprisingly tech 2 rigs are very hard to sell... few people would spend 200 mill for extra 5%
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari |
Posted - 2008.04.15 19:09:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Actually the only rig that actually competes with the Polycarb for tritanium bars is the Cargohold optimization rig.
The rest of the rigs that use alloyed tritanium bars are hardly even built.
This ^^ Take 2 highly-sought rigs, introduce a low supply of their primary component and prices will be horrendous. By the way, prices for both Polys and CargoHold Opts have held fairly stable for several months, their fluctuation has been 100% in relation to the price of the Trit bars.... |
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