| Author |
Topic |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:23:00 - [ 1]
I was just going to duripant station to update my clone when I discover 4 players from the same corp with 4 cans out side the rookie station. They were in a Destroyer, 2 Cruisers and a Battle cruiser...
The offenders names: -
Steelirat
Kolumbiec
Staini
Planakur
They openly admitted to me in local that they wont engage me because I killed them before, but the noobs are easy picking. I'm sorry guys, but I feel a moral obligation to post this as this is what is one of the things wrong with the game. Openly rookie baiting.
I count Velator 10 wrecks and rising...anyone else fancy a go at stoping them....come in a T1 cruiser and see what happens... |
Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:25:00 - [ 2]
Petitioning it will more likely get the result you want.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:28:00 - [ 3]
I have petitioned before got fobbed off with the we will investigate ...bu that time they moved on...plus petitioning is runing to GMs...and well bann would be unkind lol...why cant we vigilante it...
[21:26:39] SteeliRAT > I understand that we break rules and we kill beginners. BUT they lose nothing, money we help them, and if will want that can and enter to us corporation.
He speaks some truth...but its the principle... |
Visceroth
Minmatar
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:35:00 - [ 4]
easy fix. Jet a can yourself and name it to not trust the cans:-) can serve as a warning and you can sleep easier at night |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:37:00 - [ 5]
After I made a deal in local, some people followed suite: -
[21:28:45] Sylva Cathan > As a newbie myself, being killed by one of your companion i never will enter your corp steelirat. Your logic seems flawfull
They now are embarressed and have left system...no GMs envolved just hard vigilante work...
My question is why cant other game mechanics be like this...people enmass working together to defuse a potentially futile situation, without banns or GMs... |
Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:41:00 - [ 6]
Wow, I like that word, flawfull
Awesome |
Etchyboy
Minmatar
Firman AB
101010 Alliance |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:44:00 - [ 7]
From my understanding baiting noobs in a new player zone can result in a BAN. |
Huberek Morchu |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:45:00 - [ 8]
This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards,
The EVE Online Moderation team |
Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
|
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:46:00 - [ 9]
 Originally by: Lord Evangelian
After I made a deal in local, some people followed suite: -
[21:28:45] Sylva Cathan > As a newbie myself, being killed by one of your companion i never will enter your corp steelirat. Your logic seems flawfull
They now are embarressed and have left system...no GMs envolved just hard vigilante work...
My question is why cant other game mechanics be like this...people enmass working together to defuse a potentially futile situation, without banns or GMs...
Uh, they are. Its called wardec. |
Mallikan
Gallente
Mercury Syndicate
Twilight Federation |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:46:00 - [ 10]
Enrgish this are full of tumultuous upbringing. Enjoy delight!  |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro |
Posted - 2008.02.14 21:53:00 - [ 11]
Well I destroyed all the cargo containers they left, but the evidence is still ther ein teh forum of 10plus rookie ship wrecks...
War dec take too long, by then the offenders have moved on...
Words and social exclusion can be a far better tool... |
Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead |
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:01:00 - [ 12]
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Wow, I like that word, flawfull
Awesome
I think the recipe for that awful falafel was flawful. it does have potential |
Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead |
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:08:00 - [ 13]
Oh right, constructive post. Forgot.
Another thing you can do is dock up in a pvp ship, leave ship and fly your pod to another station which I think gets you a freebie rookie ship, then warp back and grab one of their cans. They pop you, you dock and jump in your original ship, undock and wtfpwn them since the aggression flag should still be on.
At least I think that should work... I need to go try it.
|
GM Krymus
 |
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:19:00 - [ 14]
Edited by: GM Krymus on 14/02/2008 22:19:42
If you encounter this, please open a harassment petition with us regarding the matter as soon as you can. |
Brutoth Tain
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:22:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Brutoth Tain on 14/02/2008 22:24:06 Originally by: GM Krymus
Edited by: GM Krymus on 14/02/2008 22:19:42
If you encounter this, please open a harassment petition with us regarding the matter as soon as you can.
I see this on a daily basis and its usually the same faces, I don't like to waste the GMs time with unnecessary petitions though so if I can I try to deal with the people myself (and having modest success to) Should I really petition the matter? |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro |
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:30:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: GM Krymus
Edited by: GM Krymus on 14/02/2008 22:19:42
If you encounter this, please open a harassment petition with us regarding the matter as soon as you can.
I usually do, but they usually move on once I draw attention to there actions resulting in the GM turnin gup to late. My corp usually patrol Duripant taking there cans making there life dificult. Today I had enough. I will say thanks for the GM that did turn up to witness the mass of rookie ship wrecks. Its not nice and ruins the game for rookies... Originally by: Brutoth Tain
Edited by: Brutoth Tain on 14/02/2008 22:24:06
I see this on a daily basis and its usually the same faces, I don't like to waste the GMs time with unnecessary petitions though so if I can I try to deal with the people myself (and having modest success to)
Should I really petition the matter?
Yes, would be the direct answer. I usually remove the can myself, but dont do this unless you know you can tank the offender... |
Visceroth
Minmatar
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction |
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:32:00 - [ 17]
Where's the Screenie of the conversation that they openly admit to what they were doing...that would be evidence enough |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro |
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:38:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 14/02/2008 22:41:02
I have the local log that I can post with permission...
edit: Thats permission from the GM/MODS to post... |
GM Krymus
|
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:40:00 - [ 19]
It is important that we are informed of this so that we can fully investigate the matter, so please do so when possible. Don't worry about us turning up too late. |
Brutoth Tain
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:43:00 - [ 20]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Yes, would be the direct answer. I usually remove the can myself, but dont do this unless you know you can tank the offender...
I am usually not to concerned about tanking them......... |
Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
|
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:44:00 - [ 21]
Don't noobs get a popup telling them that taking from another player's can is an aggressive action and will give the can owner the right to fire? |
Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:47:00 - [ 22]
new person baiting is always funny and fun. |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro |
Posted - 2008.02.14 22:57:00 - [ 23]
This is a snipit of the local log, I have done no more than replace player names with who they are to protect identity. Excuse the baiters poor english, he is of russian origin, and my poor spelling is becuase I was typing too fast.: -
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[ 2008.02.14 21:20:27 ] BAITERNO1 > shall not understand what problems? I train young of my corporation here if we kill something more dearly than the free-of-charge ship, we pay indemnification to the player.
[ 2008.02.14 21:20:35 ] BAITERNO1 > I shall not understand that does not arrange you, which some beginners we kill we take then to ourselves in corporation. I personally kill nobody. My pupils kill.
[ 2008.02.14 21:21:32 ] LOCALPILOTNO1> i have my own corp i don't do pvp never have never will
[ 2008.02.14 21:21:46 ] BAITERNO1 > If which player we have killed it loses devices which has bought for the money we to it we compensate all losses.
[ 2008.02.14 21:22:33 ] BAITERNO1 > To my beginners early to train in 0.0, they where that should receive elements of war.
[ 2008.02.14 21:23:37 ] LOCALPILOTNO1> i like ratting but thats it
[ 2008.02.14 21:24:15 ] BAITERNO1 > We too peace miners. But it is necessary for us studies to be protected. You Lord play very much for a long time. You in the beginning of 2007 killed me when I only have started to play.
[ 2008.02.14 21:25:33 ] BAITERNO1 > Lord Evangelian I did not speak you that you act badly. You have killed me when I played only 1 day.
[ 2008.02.14 21:26:00 ] LOCALPILOTNO6 > waaa waaaa
[ 2008.02.14 21:26:08 ] Lord Evangelian > Becuase you did teh same thing in a thorax
[ 2008.02.14 21:26:20 ] Lord Evangelian > You played 1 weekm had a rax with a can looking to pop new players
[ 2008.02.14 21:26:27 ] Lord Evangelian > so I kille dyou
[ 2008.02.14 21:26:39 ] BAITERNO1 > I understand that we break rules and we kill beginners. BUT they lose nothing, money we help them, and if will want that can and enter to us corporation.
[ 2008.02.14 21:26:42 ] Lord Evangelian > your doign it again enmass
[ 2008.02.14 21:26:51 ] LOCALPILOTNO1> that what young children do they kill for no reason at all
[ 2008.02.14 21:28:45 ] LOCALPILOTNO2 > As a newbie myself, being killed by one of your companion i never will enter your corp BAITERNO1. Your logic seems flawfull
[ 2008.02.14 21:28:51 ] BAITERNO1 > Lord Evangelian you have still claims to us? And please write more slowly. I translate on-line
[ 2008.02.14 21:29:25 ] Lord Evangelian > THIS>>>[21:28:45] LOCALPILOTNO2 > As a newbie myself, being killed by one of your companion i never will enter your corp BAITERNO1. Your logic seems flawfull
[ 2008.02.14 21:29:40 ] Lord Evangelian > just go to low sec
[ 2008.02.14 21:29:52 ] Lord Evangelian > dont kill the rookies, it drives people from the game
[ 2008.02.14 21:29:59 ] BAITERNO1 > At me and almost 100 person I have found 4 corporations in such a way. People have appeared very reliable!!!
[ 2008.02.14 21:30:04 ] LOCALPILOTNO1> ya it not fair that you kill for no reason its not going to help you get members
[ 2008.02.14 21:30:53 ] BAITERNO1 > Well we depart from here and we shall not deliver to you inconveniences. Good-bye.
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If this breaks rules, please edit the post, if not let this be the evidence requested... The bold text are the quotes, I used in previous posts... |
Call'Da Poleece |
Posted - 2008.02.14 23:16:00 - [ 24]
I wonder how harsh CCP want their game to be, is killing newbies good for the game (and its perception outside the EVE community) or not?
So, CCP needs to consider if letting some idiots getting cheap thrills killing defenceless nublets is serious, if its a banning offence, ban the muppets and let it be known that justice was done. |
Kolwrath
Amarr
Imperial Shipment |
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:01:00 - [ 25]
Edited by: Kolwrath on 15/02/2008 00:02:17 Originally by: Lord Evangelian
I have petitioned before got fobbed off with the we will investigate ...bu that time they moved on...plus petitioning is runing to GMs...and well bann would be unkind lol...why cant we vigilante it...
Good on ya Lord for shaming them. As I recall this is a ban able offense. Hopefully will all get kicked. Noob baiting is pretty low ... even for EVE's harsh moral standards.  I wouldent worry about them running off before a GM arrives ... they can just look at the recent kill list for each person. If Gm's see "Ibis" "Ibis" "Ibis" "Ibis" as the persons kill manifesto ... they will figure it out. |
DroneBay Diva
Garoun Investment Bank
|
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:10:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: GM Krymus
Edited by: GM Krymus on 14/02/2008 22:19:42
If you encounter this, please open a harassment petition with us regarding the matter as soon as you can.
So you can do nothing like when I petitioned it a few months back? Im not surprised tbh, your logs prolly didn't show evidence of can baiting. |
SPIONKOP
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:18:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
new person baiting is always funny and fun.
That speaks volumes for your corp and alliance. Maybe it should become your motto. |
Bishman82
Racketeers
|
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:19:00 - [ 28]
I remember seeing people doing this right after completing my tutorial, cans floating in space with names like 'free loot' looked like obvious scams to me, i didn't touch them (and if i did, i would have got the warning come up) Do people actually not realize what's going on? If you saw a bunch of velator wrecks, maybe people were just trying to get at the free stuff without losing a ship, you get another free velator when you dock back up  |
Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
|
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:21:00 - [ 29]
oh corpses. oh people with shotguns. oh a cookie!! FREE STUFF!!
not famous, but common last words :p |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:24:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Kruel
Don't noobs get a popup telling them that taking from another player's can is an aggressive action and will give the can owner the right to fire?
Yes but if you look at the cans they usually name them things like 'free stuff I dont need' or 'Free stuff, don't worry about taking' so the noobs go ahead and grab them not thinking twice. Not everybody does their homework before joining a game. |
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