Posted - 2003.06.12 06:27:00 - [2]

 

IMO thats a very bad idea Hippey. Gates are not the only things that get warped too, the small protection it offers is needed. The small time buffer it gives helps protect against temporary server/line lag and helps, to some degree, with abuses of lag inducing cargo can fields.

Removing it would only lead to a few more 1000 newbs (and others) getting their ships blown to bits on the live server. For every pirate that gets away there are 100s of "innocents" that get away ...thats a fair trade off IMO.

Myros

Posted - 2003.06.12 09:58:00 - [4]

 

Yes, a configurable option for how long from the target to come out of warp would be very useful.

Posted - 2003.06.12 12:20:00 - [6]

 

a button that says "drop out of warp"

Makes it a bit more fun to play with ;)
If you are good you drop out of warp close to the gate, if you aren't..oh well your loss..

If you use autopilot it will automaticly select a distance close to the gate. (not so close as you could do manually)



Edited by: Cardassius on 12/06/2003 12:23:18

Posted - 2003.06.12 13:22:00 - [8]

 

Why all the half measures guys?

My SECOND Biggest wish for CCP should they ever decide to listen:

This wish has two parts...

Freedom of movement: Obviously right now we can ONLY warp to known objects in sapce... We CANNOT for example decide to Warp to the other side of a planet, or into the middle of empty space.

I'm sure the main reasoning was: Space is so big, how would people find anything in the empty parts?

This actually has created the potential for a few NASTY exploits should anyone else use it... (if I could figure out how to make the blasted bug subbmission forum work, I'd submit it as in Exploit already, otherwise I won't be mentioning it here, but trust me, it's got potential to be a REAL doosey when it comes to finding a perosn your trying to kill.)

Anyway I propose that CCP CREATE a Homeworld Style Sensor map. This map would be a 3d representation of the system you are currently in, with large objects obviously located on it.

ANYTHING with a large enough mass will show on this map, from an asteroid belt to a station, to a planet to a titan. however things Battlship size or smaller would not be visible automatically.

Now depending on your ships Sensor strengths (sensor boosting modules included), your ship would be outlined with a highlighted spherical region around your ship that reaches out to the max range of your sensor equipment.

So for example your basic ship loadout might give you a sensor reading which reaches out as far as 1 AU in a spherical shape. ANY object that is not somehow masked (cloaking, ECM modules ETC) Will show up as a small blip WITHIN that highlighted region.

You CAN: Click on the blip and Warp to it... and MAYBE judge it's scale with your gravimetric sensors. However you CANNOT show the info on the blip, or get ANY other data about it. It is merely a way to find things, like sonar.

Now USING this Sensor Map, you could use a similar method that homeworld uses to warp to empty space in the system(select a point in space relative to your own and move to it).

Now this gives ECM and stealth and some other things MUCH more usefulness!

Imagine being able to warp out into empty space, imagine trying to hunt down a super rare object by scouring the system 1au (or more depending on your sensors abilities) at a time?

Now Also Make it so sertain areas can effect your ships visibility. for example If your trying to stay hidden you can warp into an asteroid field, or Gas cloud, or within a set range of a large body, and you will be all but invisible to these long range sensors. with these few things alone the system I'm describing is well worth the effort, just think of the Cat N Mouse chases you can have?

Asteroid fields could be much larger perhaps even full circles! (maybe...).

You could place stations on the far side of a moon, or see the face of a planet who's typical warp location is on the dark side...

If you "warp to" a Blip, you will warp to within 30-50 KM of the object selected.

More stuff to think about:

What if CCP could make it so that when you warp around, you expend different amounts of Cap based not just on distance, but general destination as well.

system: If you warp to a large gravity well (asteroid field, station, moon/planet ETC), It costs the normal amount of Capacitor power to warp there...

however warping into empty space or two a smaller object (like a ship thats shows up as a blip) would require maybe 50% more power?

Possible arguments:

It will be too easy to get away then: Well see my sensor ideas. Tweak it so people CAN be found.

Bah, you could then just warp right in on top of your destination, soyou could literally warp within 10KM of a gate: due to the sheer scale of the sensor map, this is unlikely as one pixel on screen at this scale, could represent 1000KM or more.

CCP SHOULD fix the warp points around gates ETC Regardless. But my system would make Most of our dreams come true. You could REALLY explore space, orbit planets, find rare debris and objects and track down players much more easily. Remember that exploit I was talking about? This idea would make that no longer an exploit at all but more of a feature!

We would also no longer need to worry about following a target through warp. the Warp scrambler WOULD remain supreme as the best way to keep a target where you can hit it... However NBot having one would not mean you cannot chase down someone and finish them. It would also still be hard to chase someone, but easier than following the warp trail and praying you chose the right desintaiton.

This system is MUCH more faithful to the Sci fi origins this game has.

As far as how would it work in EVE technology terms?

Simple... right now warping involved your computer computing the warp based on the gravity wells of the targets...

Well it should be entirely possible then to triangulate a location down to 50KM in empty space.~Fin

Posted - 2003.06.12 14:21:00 - [10]

 

I don't like the idea of a scanner within 1 AU.

Remember, 1 AU is ~ 8 light minutes. What you're seeing happened 8 minutes ago. The existing ship radar covers what can really be considered the effective scanning range based on current game mechanics.

As for using it to scour space for interesting landmarks, I don't think it would be terribly useful for that, or wanted. I would rather that killing NPC pirates would give you a chance at information about local interests, especially if that faction is guarding that system. Either an item in their cargo "datacore or somesuch" that you can read for their ships log or something. I don't think the game hinges on this or anything though, I think Eve's strength is with PC interaction, not NPC things.

Posted - 2003.06.12 15:29:00 - [12]

 

Well if the invulnerability timer MUST stay, then how about something like not being able to use the MWD and any of it's variations while you are invulnerable. call it a warp field alignment

Posted - 2003.06.12 16:49:00 - [14]

 

Now that I would agree with Hippey, its already partialy implemented in that when you come out of warp you cant target anything for a few seconds due to "magnectic interference" from your ships warp drive. That same intereference stops you being locked on to. Having the same sort of thing prevent the activation of onboard electronics isnt a stretch at all, and actualy makes sense. Course it would have to be tested and examined for further loop-holes for griefer abuse but I think there is potential there.

Myros

Posted - 2003.06.13 00:30:00 - [16]

 

@Cyvil

heheh I know what one AU is ;)

I am suggesting it use the gravitmetric sensors in particular.

In the end if we can have FTL comunication and travel, FTL sensors are also likely to be a possibility.

As I said it would likely be skill based.

In the end I can't argue a matter of taste with you. If you like the near linear nature of space travel in EVE, then so be it... But it is very limiting, and there is that potential exploit to think about (which I refuse to share with anyone but a DEV or moderator)...

Anyway It would only add to the options you would have in EVE, it wouldn't limit them, and if you can read the blasted star map, you will be able to read the sensor map as I'm sure it would work with a similar interface.

Posted - 2003.06.13 12:28:00 - [18]

 

I think the answer is a simple one. Have a jump gate interfere with the MWD. Any MWD will stop working within 25KM of a jump gate. Simple.

I tire of pirates that have every advantage to get away. I believe that anyone with a security rating in the negatives should not be allowed to dock in any but 0.0 space. The security rating of a system represents how well patrolled and safe it is, however, the stations are pockets of civilization within the wilderness and should only be available to people with 0.0 and above security ratings.

What would this mean, well it would keep the majority of pirates where they belong, in 0.0 systems, keeping the hubs of society relatively pirate free. What pirate would go to 0.4 space knowing there was no place to hide? The PC pirates are supposed to be in the rim, the frontier. Lets get them there.

On another note, last night we were hunting some PC pirates, had two of them in a system yet after checking everywhere, we found nothing. Every warpable location was checked. We need special long range scanners for ships, perhaps ones that even limit what else that ship can carry do to the power and CPU use, but they are needed. As a Pirate I can buy a cargo cannister, spend time MWDing to a section of the system away from normal scanners, drop and bookmark the cannister then hand the bookmarks to my fellows. We could then all sit there laughing at anyone trying to find us.

I'm not asking to stop PC piracy, only for the means of combating it on an even balance.

Sarkos - CEO / Oracle Corporation