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Topic |
Evil Edna
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas. |
Posted - 2008.01.18 22:30:00 - [ 121]
 Originally by: kessah
Edited by: kessah on 18/01/2008 20:42:49
Originally by: gusta
Edited by: gusta on 18/01/2008 20:01:28
kessah might want to take tbone off that list as he is now in spartan industries, wich has a fair few of pilots on the CI team.
Ridiculous.
I cant believe people are so focused on winning they would shame themselves in this way tbfh.
Well ive learnt alot of truth today. Quite disgusted with them tbh, just because some guy posts youtube videos of themselves winning eve dont mean a god damn thing...
Anyone that knocks CI out the tournament gets my personal gratitude. Grab all the 'l33t' players you want, just guna have the bit more bitter taste if you get knocked out.
Loyalty is worth so much more.
bitter much?  fyi Spartan Industries isnt in CI anymore, (CI is no longer a active alliance) and Tbone joining SPA has nothing at all to do with the CI tourney team. i hope youre gonna clean up the mess your high horse will be dropping |
kessah
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.18 22:55:00 - [ 122]
Edited by: kessah on 18/01/2008 22:59:01
lol mate im not bitter in the least. You can quote me on that.
I was dissapointed at Trevidian and all the guys i thought were cool guys in kr0m when i was there and Red Skull- you arent the same at all. Your all for the glory and not for the name and really im not disgusted, i pity you. Because at least the alliance guys (as shameful carebears, and blobbers as they are) stand for something, a loyalty to something.
You guys however thought "wow, tank ceo was amazing when dual mwd's were about, and damn wasnt ifni great when he was 250km off gate in his crow, lets join them!"
Lets see if the bet pays off eh?
CI might not be active no more, but its the same people so whatever u want to call yourselfs its merely a formality.
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Evil Edna
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas. |
Posted - 2008.01.18 23:01:00 - [ 123]
and here was me thinking i was just entering with the same group of mates ive flown in tournaments with since the 2nd one
live and learn |
gusta
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle |
Posted - 2008.01.18 23:07:00 - [ 124]
cept i wasnt stating that tbone had anything to do with the tourny i was just pointing out he wasnt in finite anymore. so kessah could take him off his list. |
kessah
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.18 23:09:00 - [ 125]
Originally by: gusta
cept i wasnt stating that tbone had anything to do with the tourny i was just pointing out he wasnt in finite anymore. so kessah could take him off his list.
Jacko told me he went inactive. |
Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle |
Posted - 2008.01.18 23:17:00 - [ 126]
Edited by: Ituralde on 19/01/2008 21:37:22List of some Alliances notably not on the list: Those with a * are those who I remember as having teams in a previous tourney. Granted, I don't know if all of these alliances will want teams, but still, the list is fairly shocking even if half were interested. Against ALL Authorities Agony Empire* Axiom Empire* Band of Brothers* Cult of War* [EDIT] - Cruel Intentions* CVA (They may not have wanted to apply but I'd like to see them in the tourney  ) Exquisite Malevolence* Goonswarm* Hun Reloaded* Hedonistic Imperative* IRON Ka-Tet Knights of the Southerncross PURE RAZOR Alliance* Red Alliance Rule of Three Tau Ceti Federation Terra Incognita* Veto Corp (Come on, you can get a team together w/o Verone! go for it!) Vertias Immortalis* (moar 4-volleying command ships plz LD) Now, I know some people have varying opinions on the PVP quality of a lot of these alliances and I do know that probably not all of these applied. However, what we are looking at right now is an alliance tourney where not only the majority of 0.0 space is unrepresented by a tourney team, not only are none of the previous champions in, not only are most of the major 0.0 powers unrepresented, I believe (I CBA to do the maths) but it seems most of the overall EVE alliance population is not represented. I don't honestly believe that there is no way to expand the tourney. As it is now it's like having the Olympics without nations like the US, China, and Russia. It's no fun if it's not the best of the best against the best of the best. |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions |
Posted - 2008.01.18 23:34:00 - [ 127]
Originally by: Ituralde
Ramblings.
Not true, you weren't in the last tournament and I still enjoyed it. |
gordon cain |
Posted - 2008.01.18 23:44:00 - [ 128]
This is so typical Eve. The big allainces think they can get it all just for being big. Some guys from our alliance was very keen on getting into this tournament for the fun of participating, and was keeping a close eye on sign-up and stuff like that. And made it. If only those "big" alliances did the same they might have been in the tourney by now. Personally I dont give a damn about who wins and loose, but even small alliances should have the chance on the same terms as the big alliances. I have no intention of participating but will cheer for our team. I only hope they will make it to the start without being banned before that Gordon Cain |
kessah
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.18 23:49:00 - [ 129]
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Shiverbrood
Suspicious Packages
The Kadeshi |
Posted - 2008.01.19 01:09:00 - [ 130]
well as a smaller team that got in i wouldnt mind an expansion of the tourny. the sign up rules seeemd kind of silly to me and thus we made sure to be early. it wouldnt suprise me if teams like the hun or bob missed it due to there own arrgoance. but even whit that said i dont want to win a second rate tourny. i signed up to compete againes the best. i signed up cus i think we can beat/or have a good fight whit the best teams.
so in short if ccp decided to change the sign up rules retroactive to favour the hun/big ones and have a qualificatuon round i wouldnt mind at all.
yes iam gona blame my spelling on beer... and beeing semi retared |
Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.01.19 02:40:00 - [ 131]
I cannot speak for other alliances, but noone in BURN EDEN wanted to compete this time. Whilst I think JamesW will try to ensure that this tournament is better than the last. This vailliant effort has already been hobbled by a draw that more closely resembles a "who's that" rather than a "who's who" of pvp talent in eve. This will further be tarnished by GM NOVAs incompetance and inconsistancy.
To the new teams, congratulations, enjoy your moment in the spotlight. To the vetrans, you know what to expect: Drunk devs, inconsistant rulings and absolutely no avenue for recourse when you get screwed over by them. Not even the acknowledgment of failure on their part.
Best of luck to all involved.
To GM NOVA: I'm confident you will mess things up again. |
fathitman
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.01.19 04:54:00 - [ 132]
Originally by: GM Nova
The list of participants will stand as it is unless a participant drops out or is bribed out. Yes, this means that it is perfectly ok with us to bribe a team to withdraw. The only requirement being that the executor of the bribed alliance needs to publicly announce that they are pulling out. (No scams allowed)
We never announced a Withdraw. Could a GM tell us what is going on? I think were being scammed her. |
Malar
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded |
Posted - 2008.01.19 07:55:00 - [ 133]
Originally by: Evil Pookie
I cannot speak for other alliances, but noone in BURN EDEN wanted to compete this time.
Just like i thought. I bet there are a few of the big ones out there who were simply not interested this time because they've got other things to do. On the tournament becoming a "who's that" show.. its sad but even if unspoken it would be the thing to expect. People in eve tend to approach new entities this way unless said entities already did something in EVE to make their names known. The right thing to do would be announcing the participants of the matches in a ring speakerish style. Sure to do that, you got to ask around, ask each alliance to write a short (1-2 minutes most) introduction of themselves, which then they can present before the match starts. It would be about the only way to explain the community, who the f the "when fat kids attack" for example is, what they do, did, who did they beat up to make it into the 40 etc. As for people still stuck in how the big names didnt get in and how some think that they should be. Its not arrogance guys. Its the simple fact, that quite a few people would be interested in how BOB is beaten again (or how they try to beat it). A lot more people want to see that, then say how random alliance A fares against random alliance B. Sure A and B could also get a nice match, could show off some good tactics, etc. But people have no expectations, no feelings for them. They dont love them, they dont hate them, they are just there because they happened to push a button. Guess the reason why a lot of people want to see alliances currently not in the list. As for increasing the entry cap. They can only do it in multiples of 8.Atm there are 5 teams / group. If they bump it up to 6, that would mean 40 extra group stage matches. (new teams would have to play against everyone else as well in their groups) Its like adding 2 extra days to the tournament. Unlikely to happen. For qualifiers it is already too late. People got to accept that what we saw posted earlier is most probably going to be the final lineup. Am i happy with that? Hell no. but staying realistic i can't expect things to change. So i just accept it and move on. As a sidenote: I was pretty mad when MC dropped out last time. Why? Because if you really go out there to prove something and not just for the shiny ships, then you feel it important that you compete against ALL the big players, so at the end none of them can just say: "hey dude, you just won cuz i wasnt there". See quote below: Originally by: "Shiverbrood"
but even whit that said i dont want to win a second rate tourny. i signed up to compete againes the best. i signed up cus i think we can beat/or have a good fight whit the best teams.
Thats a true sportsman speaking there. |
Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.01.19 09:55:00 - [ 134]
Edited by: Evil Pookie on 19/01/2008 09:55:56"hey dude, you just won cuz i wasnt there". It could be worse, you could hear someone say you just won because some hypercondriac faked a medical emergency (insert drunk dev shenanigans here) and GM NOVA runs off to save the day. Leaving Floyd the work experience kid to start the match. Floyd forgets to uncloak and the ecm burst never happened. Just sayin, someone could say that, not me, coz i'm not the slightest bit bitter!  |
gordon cain |
Posted - 2008.01.19 11:11:00 - [ 135]
Originally by: Evil Pookie
Edited by: Evil Pookie on 19/01/2008 09:55:56
"hey dude, you just won cuz i wasnt there".
It could be worse, you could hear someone say you just won because some hypercondriac faked a medical emergency (insert drunk dev shenanigans here) and GM NOVA runs off to save the day. Leaving Floyd the work experience kid to start the match. Floyd forgets to uncloak and the ecm burst never happened.
Just sayin, someone could say that, not me, coz i'm not the slightest bit bitter!
Omg would you plz stop whinning in here ffs. |
GM Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.19 12:38:00 - [ 136]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.
Due to a misunderstanding, Mindstar posted this message. The Red Skull have in fact NOT withdrawn from the tournament. For a team to withdraw, a message must be sent to me or Mindstar from the alliance exacutor. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2008.01.19 13:18:00 - [ 137]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 19/01/2008 13:25:38HahAHAHahahhaHAhaa I guess that makes Cruel Intentions the first reserve, and HUN Reloaded the second then  *clears up a space for Paddyman on IAC team* |
Ravelin Eb
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2008.01.19 13:22:00 - [ 138]
Should be some good fun :) |
Jotan Veer
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded |
Posted - 2008.01.19 13:28:00 - [ 139]
Edited by: Jotan Veer on 19/01/2008 13:31:03
Just to counter-balance Malar's emorampage I only want to say that I appreciate how difficult of a situation GM Nova is in and I hope that the tournament will turn out to be fun for everyone, with or without the HUN Corp. |
Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2008.01.19 13:30:00 - [ 140]
Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 19/01/2008 13:30:35lol, tourny hasnt even started yet but the ****ups have begun already. This should be good. |
maGz
Amarr
Chaos Theory.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 14:41:00 - [ 141]
Originally by: GM Nova
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.
Due to a misunderstanding, Mindstar posted this message. The Red Skull have in fact NOT withdrawn from the tournament. For a team to withdraw, a message must be sent to me or Mindstar from the alliance exacutor.
MOAR DRAMA!!! |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings |
Posted - 2008.01.19 16:47:00 - [ 142]
I read this bit about bribing, would it be possible for one team to sell their slot to a select other or is the bribing for blanket drop-outs?
If so I don't really see that happening with the virtual pauper reserves we know of now.
What would BoB or Goonswarm be willing to pay for the right to arrive late to the party? |
Chee
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2008.01.19 16:59:00 - [ 143]
The final 16 from previous tournament should have had a spot reserved for them. They deserve it and you know it CCP. Last years winners arent even in. In any tourney anywhere this signup would be considered a major .... you know :)
Its better to fix this up asap then to let this mess continue. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2008.01.19 17:07:00 - [ 144]
No Danton, reserves get in the order they applied, so there's no point in bribing unless you know you're the first one in (or willing to bribe multiple teams to drop out ;)) |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction |
Posted - 2008.01.19 18:28:00 - [ 145]
The previous tourney winners (and probably runners up too) should get a guarenteed entrance without all the drama to be honest.
But with the game expanding at the rate it has we are eventually going to need pre qualifiers to make sure that everyone who wants a chance to compete gets a chance to compete.
Perhaps have tournament seeding to list alliance teams who have gotten points for having previously gotten past the group stage who will be guarenteed a place in one of 20 slots, with a first come first serve/pre elimination phase for the rest of eve's non-seeded alliance teams competing for the other slots.
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Draekas Darkwater |
Posted - 2008.01.19 20:03:00 - [ 146]
Maybe run the tourney for 3 weekends. The first can be just preliminaries. It could be taped by EVE TV, maybe not live, but taped and offered up on the website for viewing. Maybe just Spiral and a few devs/gms could do the commentary.. no couch and such between matches, unless they really want to do it full blast for 3 weekends.
As an option shorten it up a bit, the top 16 teams from the last tourney are given an automatic pass from the prelims.. or the top 8, 4, whatever is decided. |
Raem Civrie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.19 21:03:00 - [ 147]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The previous tourney winners (and probably runners up too) should get a guarenteed entrance without all the drama to be honest.
But with the game expanding at the rate it has we are eventually going to need pre qualifiers to make sure that everyone who wants a chance to compete gets a chance to compete.
Perhaps have tournament seeding to list alliance teams who have gotten points for having previously gotten past the group stage who will be guarenteed a place in one of 20 slots, with a first come first serve/pre elimination phase for the rest of eve's non-seeded alliance teams competing for the other slots.
Be as it may, I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation for prior tourney winners to be a little more attentive. "Guaranteed Spot" isn't a bad thing in itself, although I wouldn't ever want to see the number of those slots above 2. But despite HUN's massive achievement last time, I don't think their chest beating and crusading anger is justified here. They messed up, like a dozen other alliances that reg'd up too late. |
Evil Edna
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas. |
Posted - 2008.01.19 21:16:00 - [ 148]
all spots were filled within 2 days
not everyone is at their pc all the time, not everyone reads the forums all the time, 2 days is quite long enough for the alliance executor to miss this or be away from a pc for.
also previously signups never filled that fast, in fact i remeber the total # of teams being reduced one year as not enough signed up to match the original schedule.
its far from an unthinkable error, and to have many teams from the last 16 of the previous event , not to mention the reigning champions, miss out on isnt just bad for the people involved, but is bad for entertainment value of the tournament and the other teams entered. everyone likes to take a big scalp even if they dont win the main event, had star fraction not knocked bob out, a moment that provoked more reaction from the audience than the final itself, their participation would have been fairly unremarkable.
oppertunity missed
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Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle |
Posted - 2008.01.19 21:35:00 - [ 149]
Originally by: Evil Edna
all spots were filled within 2 days
not everyone is at their pc all the time, not everyone reads the forums all the time, 2 days is quite long enough for the alliance executor to miss this or be away from a pc for.
also previously signups never filled that fast, in fact i remeber the total # of teams being reduced one year as not enough signed up to match the original schedule.
its far from an unthinkable error, and to have many teams from the last 16 of the previous event , not to mention the reigning champions, miss out on isnt just bad for the people involved, but is bad for entertainment value of the tournament and the other teams entered. everyone likes to take a big scalp even if they dont win the main event, had star fraction not knocked bob out, a moment that provoked more reaction from the audience than the final itself, their participation would have been fairly unremarkable.
oppertunity missed
Originally by: Evil Edna
bitter much?
indeed, not everyone is at their pc 24/7; but you are. you pretty much live on the scrapheap challenge forums. |
Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle |
Posted - 2008.01.19 21:43:00 - [ 150]
You could always run more than one match at a time. Professional sports has no trouble getting away with it. Maybe have multiple match channels or something so everything can be televised. It's really not *that* big of a deal. Condense it to a single channel for the playoffs. If you stagger it right you can have one side in commentary when the other is in a match. All it takes is a little organization and creative time-play. |
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