Posted - 2008.01.06 13:58:00 - [61]

 

saying tri picked an easy target is stupid.

They tried to pick a reasonably matched target that isnt affiliated with the coalition or GBC, turns out that CVA was actually a much tougher nut than they had expected (especially given the number of untested hanger-ons that tri has picked up recently)

Tri outnumbers CVA pretty heavily but the inexperience in some of the new corps is showing.

If tri wanted an easy fight they would have gone for KOS (hell, i'd love to have a go at KOS, tri has 92% efficiency against them if i remember correctly...)

Posted - 2008.01.06 16:37:00 - [63]

 

This thread was started by Francesca Fritzlestickz with the clear intent on stiring things up yet again...i would'nt give her/him the satisfaction myself,

All i can say on this matter is that TRI did what they set out to do which was to take on CVA and friends (my alliance included) for more pew pew/Change of Scenery/for fun, whatever there reasons where, they fought well, as did CVA/Sev3rance/Paxton/Sylph/Cold Steel Alliance and friends.

If you had no role in these battles then you know nothing, therefor dont have the right to surmise on something you know nothing about other than speculation and rumor's from second hand source's, Francesca Fritzlestickz you need to grow a set and post with your main insted of setting up a 1 man corp so you can post in CAOD, BAD SHOW old bean!

Anyway, Well done to all sides for what was an experiance to remember.....now let this thread die

Regards

Renosha

Posted - 2008.01.06 16:54:00 - [65]

 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/01/2008 16:59:55

A lot of these threads are very silly. From my own perspective TRI were not looking for easy targets or an alliance of hicksville farmers to roll over for easy laughs. They wanted a significant target to test their abilities and resolve against and took time to study CVA and gather intelligence to ensure they were an appropriate choice.

In many ways CVA were (and are) the perfect target for a upcoming 0.0 alliance to try its power and test its mettle against in a serious war. They are not however a "fun football" to have a quick kick-around with in the park.

CVA have transcended the realm of being a simple "RP alliance" and have become a significant 0.0 power with numbers, resources, allies and resolve to match.

Their diplomacy places them right in the mainstream of the Southern Coalition and they are well-positioned to benefit from any political realignment following the climatic battles raging this season.

They are also ideologically bound to Providence. This can't be underestimated, it means they will fight harder, longer, and more visciously for that territory than most "ordinary" alliances that don't have the emotional attachment to their territory that CVA have for their claim.

But this isn't the same as 24/7 entertaining fights and its on this level that TRI failed to effectively grapple with CVA. You have to credibly threaten the average defensive space-holder to get them to fight. You have to hurt them on many levels - you need long term suppression, attrition warfare, attacks round the clock. You need flexibility to hit and fade when the odds look bad, you have to make the foe waste the "blobs" then they are summoned, you have to hit the key elements of frustration and perceived impotence in enemy leaders, you have to fight smart with total commitment.

You need in other words - a total war style regardless of the ooc respect between participants. Where this went wrong off the bat in Providence was in telling CVA "we're here for the good fights". Hardin isn't stupid - 2 seconds after that comment went public item 1: on the CVA war-strategy plan was "deny TRI all good fights" - with item 2: "in about a month they will be bored and frustrated and go home".

And that really was all she wrote.

Now, I think personally TRI are a lovely alliance. They have some honest strightforward leaders. They played straight with me diplomatically. They never hurled their weight around or bullied or cajoled, they kept their word and they did their thing. When SF has been hostile to TRI we've had excellent fights with these guys for the pure fun of fighting in the North and in turn we've learned a lot about nano-tactics and fast raiding warfare. I think they have a lot of heart and they play the game for fun.

I believe that if TRI have a flaw its in not understanding exactly how far an enemy can and will go to "keep space" and ensure that it "wins" a territorial war. TRI members have publicly spoken of their frustration and disappointment at not "getting fights" from CVA in the war, and while I certainly sympathise with that difficulty (having fought the cva on and off for coming on 3 years now) I do think there was a big element of naivety at play in TRI's military strategy in underestimating the degree to which the "bore them till they go away" defense was employed and ultimately effective in CVA's homeland defense.

Of course, this might all have been academic if we didn't have the POS warfare blackout post Trinity coinciding with TRI's arrival and height of strength pre Christmas, but thats something we will likely never know.

End of the day as others have said, TRI came and showed Providence the power of nano-gangs and combat courage and gave it a good attempt. I personally wish them well for the future and who knows, maybe next time they'll come back with a longer term commitment and a broader strategy that is not so easy to counter with the prime time saturday evening souther coalition uber-blob.

Posted - 2008.01.06 18:00:00 - [67]

 

Originally by: MAXSuicide

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Originally by: umop 3pisdn

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saying tri picked an easy target is stupid.

They tried to pick a reasonably matched target that isnt affiliated with the coalition or GBC, turns out that CVA was actually a much tougher nut than they had expected (especially given the number of untested hanger-ons that tri has picked up recently)

Tri outnumbers CVA pretty heavily but the inexperience in some of the new corps is showing.

If tri wanted an easy fight they would have gone for KOS (hell, i'd love to have a go at KOS, tri has 92% efficiency against them if i remember correctly...)

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U contradict yourself by saying CVA are equal to TRI, but are outnumbered by a huge amount and its not xetic (or maybe a more recent example for the new kids would be ASCN) style numbers either (aka massive waves of cannon fodder).

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Which is why we wardec'd CVA, Slyph, Paxton, Severence and also added IAC and KOS (before the ****ed everything up) to the killboard.

The way you continue to pick and choose bits of information just to smack leads me to believe you're no better than Mr themechanic over here.

Posted - 2008.01.06 18:06:00 - [69]

 

Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2008 05:41:17

Oh look, another alt whos taken Reverse Psychology 101.

Edit: Pandemic capital blobs? Lol.

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actually reading is ftw

Posted - 2008.01.06 18:47:00 - [71]

 

Edited by: Murina on 06/01/2008 18:47:34

Originally by: Francesca Fritzlestickz

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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Anyone can lack performance in an assault.
Everyone has attacked something, and failed to meet the objective.
I don't think Triumvirate should be ridiculed for failing this assault.
I think those alliances that never assault are the ones that need to be ridiculed.

You only need to fail at defending your territory once, to lose it.
The ones who attack risk their spaceships, and that's it.
The ones who defend risk their spaceships, their towers, and their home.
I don't disrespect TRI for mobilizing an assault, and failing to meet the objective.

Neither do I disrespect CVA for being able to fend them off.
I think people in general need to watch what they themselves do, rather than be e-cowboys in CAOD.

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they ddin't fail, they had fun - then it became no fun , so they left. why is this so hard to comprehend?

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From what i read on the forums about the CVA - TRI thing was that TRI were looking for a few fights and had no intention of taking hold of any CVA space. Then after a few fights they started shooting POS so encourage CVA to engage.

Now that for some reason the GOON/RA southern blob has decided to stick its beak in and turn the fights into screen freezing non fun lag fests. TRI now have moved out as they wish to enjoy actualy playing the game instead of blobing to win space and crow about it endlessly on CAOD.

Personaly i give TRI a big thumbs up and have to question wtf CVA were thinking getting RABLOBSWARM involved in a nice bit of combat.

Posted - 2008.01.06 19:33:00 - [73]

 

Originally by: Murina

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...and have to question wtf CVA were thinking getting RABLOBSWARM involved in a nice bit of combat.

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We didn't...

IAC were the only people who were ever asked for assistance and even then it was more along the lines of 'This is when our towers are coming out of reinforced than 'OMG come save us'

The RA thing in Mamet was completely their own initiative. Goons turned up purely on their own initiative looking for pew pew. They are after all based in Catch (right next door from Providence) atm. None of the other 'Coalition' alliances played any other part in events at all.

IAC/Goons turned up just twice - once with approx 50 people total - the second time with around 90 people total. Please also bear in mind that Tri specifically targeted IAC during their Southern roadtrip and indeed had a 'campaign' section dedicated to it on their killboard. So any complaint about IAC getting involved really looks weak.

The fact is that CVA + our Providence allies + our loyalist Amarrian paramilitary allies had on Saturday already shot up Tri at our cynojammer POS (albeit with the assistance of major lag) and this was before IAC/Goons even turned up. I, as one of the FCs, only knew that there was Goon/IAC incoming when one of our own scouts reported them 4 jumps out...

I have no doubt that Tri did feel under pressure though... not least because they were operating in jump range of both RA and AAA forces, particularly when Evil Thug made his interest clear on SHC We had no reason to get these people involved as they became involved automatically the moment Tri put its fleet within their range.

There is nothing Russians like better than to kill caps as RA demonstrated yesterday...

Posted - 2008.01.06 20:06:00 - [75]

 

Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2008 07:44:12

Originally by: SpaceHonorNinjabot9000

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remember that time people in the south were scared of what TRI might become?

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Remember that time when Goons were saying "lag isnt an excuse" then 24 hours later there were 10 whine threads about Shrike getting away because of server instability.

Mmmm, tears.

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The difference is, you guys got the **** out and cried on the forums, while goons were trying to bag that titan despite the lag for a ****ton of hours till the node crashed on them else they'd still be trying.

Posted - 2008.01.06 20:33:00 - [77]

 

Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2008 20:34:51

Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 06/01/2008 07:44:12

Originally by: SpaceHonorNinjabot9000

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remember that time people in the south were scared of what TRI might become?

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Remember that time when Goons were saying "lag isnt an excuse" then 24 hours later there were 10 whine threads about Shrike getting away because of server instability.

Mmmm, tears.

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The difference is, you guys got the **** out and cried on the forums, while goons were trying to bag that titan despite the lag for a ****ton of hours till the node crashed on them else they'd still be trying.

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If you read Dark's mail he said were ending the campaign. He didn't cry about lag, he sited(sighted?) it as a reason. If we would have pulled out without making a public statement you would have smacked all the same. So damned if we do and damned if we dont.

I just take solace in the fact that you ***** and moan about lag and node deaths just as much as we and everyone else does. Noone likes it, whoda thunk it.

FYI, if it was Wrecks titan, we would have proberbly worked through the lag aswell. Shooting a CVA pos is hardly something worth looking at a black screen.

Mmmm salty.

Posted - 2008.01.06 21:17:00 - [79]

 

Edited by: Abn Matar on 06/01/2008 21:24:14

Originally by: Ur235

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Edited by: Ur235 on 06/01/2008 11:44:11

Goon stfu, AAA Stfu, IAC stfu, RA stfu and the rest of the blobbers

None of these alliances would ever take on Tri by themselves yet they think they have the right to say how much Tri suck because there 15000+ coalition of individual with no pvp skill watsoever really apart from that of the Blob Swarm.

Tri have taken on 5/6 alliances by themselves and won, Goons havent taken on any alliance on by themselves yet and won and neither have any of the other alliances in the "coalition" they only win when they all gang togeather and they ahve like a 4to numerical advantage

So basically Tri atm have prooved alot more than any of the other coalition allinces have, and until the day they come out of there "play it safe coalition" and take some one on themselves for a change, and proove there effective they really cant coment on any other allinces can they.. as they have prooved nothing

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When did IAC ever post in this thread or gloat the fact that Tri went back to branch?

Never, and stop throwing **** out to people who have done nothing to deserve it...

/end baiting of flames

EDIT: Hardin made the IAC/CVA relationship really clear, everytime we feel there might be trouble on the horizon, we contact them and they usually (in 99,9% of the cases) turns us down, even though we want to comitt. This is a two way deal, we work as a levitt (s/p?) for them if they need any help and same goes for us.

Posted - 2008.01.06 22:20:00 - [81]

 

Edited by: MAXSuicide on 06/01/2008 22:21:35

Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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Originally by: umop 3pisdn

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saying tri picked an easy target is stupid.

They tried to pick a reasonably matched target that isnt affiliated with the coalition or GBC, turns out that CVA was actually a much tougher nut than they had expected (especially given the number of untested hanger-ons that tri has picked up recently)

Tri outnumbers CVA pretty heavily but the inexperience in some of the new corps is showing.

If tri wanted an easy fight they would have gone for KOS (hell, i'd love to have a go at KOS, tri has 92% efficiency against them if i remember correctly...)

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U contradict yourself by saying CVA are equal to TRI, but are outnumbered by a huge amount and its not xetic (or maybe a more recent example for the new kids would be ASCN) style numbers either (aka massive waves of cannon fodder).

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Which is why we wardec'd CVA, Slyph, Paxton, Severence and also added IAC and KOS (before the ****ed everything up) to the killboard.

The way you continue to pick and choose bits of information just to smack leads me to believe you're no better than Mr themechanic over here.

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Boohoo ? If it was smack i would be on a 6 month suspension right now, not replying to you. So stop libeling me.

Posted - 2008.01.06 22:49:00 - [83]

 

Originally by: Nez Perces

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Edited by: Nez Perces on 06/01/2008 22:43:43

Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr

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He didn't cry about lag, he sited(sighted?) it as a reason. If we would have pulled out without making a public statement you would have smacked all the same. So damned if we do and damned if we dont.

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cited*

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/o\

Posted - 2008.01.07 01:46:00 - [85]

 

It might be worth stating that probably all Providence residents and allies of CVA have Goons and RA (and a lot of other coalition alliances) set to red.

So when the report came on very short notice that IAC were coming and some Goons were sighted among them, hectic activity broke out at all alliances and corporations on CVA's side to adjust standings temporarily and make sure those Goons won't appear as red on the overview which would have messed things up quite a lot.

So much for calling in Goonswarm for help. They just appeared - after the POS fight.

Posted - 2008.01.07 10:10:00 - [87]

 

Edited by: zoolkhan on 07/01/2008 10:15:28
Edited by: zoolkhan on 07/01/2008 10:14:47
respects to tri for 'accidentially' holding CVA long enough from our backs.
We had some good fun in the past weeks due to the better balanced fleets.

server lag was nasty though >200 pilots in a system in provi = 1 minute lag
between pressing the warp button on a carrier, and the ship actually taking up speed and confirming the command. adrenaline was with me; i was lucky.. this time..

<o.

Posted - 2008.01.07 13:27:00 - [89]

 

Camel, FFS, fix your sig. It's been, what, two years since we were in the MC!