Posted - 2008.01.03 21:22:00 - [242]

 

FYI

The rules of reporting exploits are clear, they are handled through the petition system only, please take a moment to read them.

If reporting exploits on the forums are against the rules, then encouraging them should be too. GM Nova should of locked this thread and followed company protocol by telling the OP to file a petition like everyone else.

The handling of this issue here instead of through the standard protocol petition system is what created this matter of confused policies.

Originally by: GM Nova

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This is cheating, plain and simple. CEOs exploiting this loophole will receive a warning from now on.

GM Nova
Senior Game Master
EVE Online Customer Support

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Posted - 2008.01.03 22:27:00 - [244]

 

meh GM Nova says you only get a warning from doing it anyway. It's not as if you'll get banned.

Posted - 2008.01.04 00:02:00 - [246]

 

Originally by: Jimer Lins

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Originally by: Xaen

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Originally by: Paper

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Rock is fine, nerf scissors.

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No, just boost paper.

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I think they need to introduce fire to this equation.

Posted - 2008.01.04 12:04:00 - [248]

 

TBH, this is an exploit. To be even more honest, I like this exploit very much. I like it because wardecing anyone everywhere for any reason is *******s. Not the ability to do that is what's bothering me nor is it the possibility of doing that. What bothering me is how it is done.

Mercs are licking their fingertips while listening to that GM's rubbish. Yeah, its a loophole and should stay so until ccp abolishes the ability to gang with a player who's at war via his corp or alliance with a player who isn't a member of the other two.

You want to make wars an official matter? fine, make sure they stay official. Letting a 4 members merc corp to be a front of a much larger group just so the other characters can get away from being shot at back on whenever the corp that got WDed wants to pay them back a visit is a game-mechanics-sin on a much grander proportions than the immune exploit.

TBH, the idea of announcing war is so last era, that for the Eve universe it should seem like a fantasy story... come on ccp - you can do much better than that. Make the pay for WDing dependent on the sec stat of the system a skirmish takes place in (the higher it takes place in, the more isk you need to pay officials to look the other way). Make the WD activation and cancelation player customized (e.g. min time to WD should be 0 to 24 hours. Canceling should be the same). Make a skill or use an existing one to reduce the WD cost in corporation skills (should be N/A to trials ofc). Let it be dependent on the differences between corp sizes - a much larger corp should pay more to mobilize through a system just to hunt down a much smaller group. That would even the odds a bit and still keep it real. Let people who just want to do missions create sub-divisions within NPC corps that would function like a normal corp but would not be possible to WD it and put a very long buffer to join it. Some people - a.k.a. carebears - don't want to play this game in any other way other than doing missions and trying to live through the game storyline. They enjoy co-operating with each other against no-one rather than anyone and that should be respected, even by those who excel on Pointless vs Porters...

Posted - 2008.01.04 14:41:00 - [250]

 

Originally by: McEivalley

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You want to make wars an official matter? fine, make sure they stay official. Letting a 4 members merc corp to be a front of a much larger group just so the other characters can get away from being shot at back on whenever the corp that got WDed wants to pay them back a visit is a game-mechanics-sin on a much grander proportions than the immune exploit.

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WTH does this has anything to do with this tread's discussion?! Or indeed what does this mean?!

Posted - 2008.01.04 17:30:00 - [252]

 

Originally by: PhantomVyper

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I'm guessing that not completly destroying the gameplay of the hundreds or possible thousands of paying customers that play EVE as empire Mercs / corp warfare / whatever else depends on this game mecanic must have something to do with the speed of CCPs reply...

To all you carebears on this tread, just think of this as the equivalent to CCP placing all lvl4+ missions exclusively in low-sec / 0.0!

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ccp rarely responds quickly, especially on blurry matters such as these, which is where some of the surprise and speculation comes in with GM Novas statement. you MAY have a point but you're just plain speculating along with the rest of us here. don't pretend it's anything more.

Posted - 2008.01.04 18:13:00 - [254]

 

so you suggest that we just sui-gank people, that doesnt sound right.

Posted - 2008.01.10 17:06:00 - [256]

 

Originally by: GM Nova

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Hi again dear players. There has been some controversy regarding this issue on all fronts. I think it would be best to apologize for the bluntness of my initial reply to this thread. It is not my intention to label iMune Empire or any of their clients as cheaters. It has been unclear as to how the mechanics surrounding this was supposed to work exactly so it should not be assumed that they were intentionally exploiting.

That being said I think we can all agree that this is an unintended game mechanic. A news item has been published regarding this issue and I urge you to read it. As is mentioned in the news item, we are putting a stop to this whole thing and anyone found abusing this loophole will be receive a warning for their trouble. This does not mean that those who have been using this loophole in the past will be punished in any way.

News item

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/claps

Posted - 2008.01.10 18:05:00 - [258]

 

Edited by: Wyliee on 10/01/2008 18:08:38

Originally by: Wynona

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It's a good thing we're not a bogus alliance who's sole purpose is to give corps a way out of wars, or I might feel insulted by the tone of that news item.

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do you think it would be possible to make yourself look any more stupider?

im sorry if this seems like a troll, but god! you did set up your useless alliance for the sole purpose of beating the system, you did allow a corp to use this loophole against us.
you did threaten to contact all of our present and current war targets and give them the same option 'as there was nothing we could do about it'.
you did FAIL very hard.
you did then whine like hell in 30 different threads.
you did then try to make out your orignal intentions were to high light a loophole hehe.
you did then get your mates to war deck us who also failed!
you are now making up some other unfeasable reason you are still here.

you did fail at everything you tried to do

go back to rens and stick to dropping cans outside the brutor tribe treasury

byebye.

Posted - 2008.01.10 18:32:00 - [260]

 

Boo hoo Imune, crawl back under your metarock ;)

Posted - 2008.01.10 19:24:00 - [262]

 

Originally by: GM Nova

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Hi again dear players. There has been some controversy regarding this issue on all fronts. I think it would be best to apologize for the bluntness of my initial reply to this thread. It is not my intention to label iMune Empire or any of their clients as cheaters. It has been unclear as to how the mechanics surrounding this was supposed to work exactly so it should not be assumed that they were intentionally exploiting.

That being said I think we can all agree that this is an unintended game mechanic. A news item has been published regarding this issue and I urge you to read it. As is mentioned in the news item, we are putting a stop to this whole thing and anyone found abusing this loophole will be receive a warning for their trouble. This does not mean that those who have been using this loophole in the past will be punished in any way.

News item

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Thanks very much for the apology and the news report. That clears up a lot of my ill feelings towards you. I hope we haven't caused you or the other GMs much unintended grief , as our major intention was to torment only the player base by use of lawful game mechanics and have a glaring, reported, and ignored trick work in our favor, until it was appropriately nerfed. Thanks for finally coming forward and doing the appropriate thing.

I'm sorry the GMs feel that we are a bogus alliance, and I think that down the road you might be surprised. Our business is still going strong, we've been having a blast, we're very successful, and we continue to save corps through use of lawful game mechanics thanks to very creative and original thinking. Something that's quite rare in this game.

Posted - 2008.01.10 19:46:00 - [264]

 

Edited by: Ki An on 10/01/2008 19:49:27

Originally by: Ashley Sky

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Thanks very much for the apology and the news report. That clears up a lot of my ill feelings towards you. I hope we haven't caused you or the other GMs much unintended grief , as our major intention was to torment only the player base by use of lawful game mechanics and have a glaring, reported, and ignored trick work in our favor, until it was appropriately nerfed. Thanks for finally coming forward and doing the appropriate thing.

I'm sorry the GMs feel that we are a bogus alliance, and I think that down the road you might be surprised. Our business is still going strong, we've been having a blast, we're very successful, and we continue to save corps through use of lawful game mechanics thanks to very creative and original thinking. Something that's quite rare in this game.

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First, I doubt GM Nova was apologizing to you, as she definately did not have any cause for that. Second, I've been meaning to ask you: How exactly is this a business? It's all free, right? How do you make money from that? Unless you actually fight the wars you inherit and consider potential loot as a business, in which case a better business would be to actually declare war on fat incompetent corps and take their loot.

/Edit: Looking at your alliance membership, you don't really have any PvPers to fight any wars, so you're still a bogus alliance trying to save face on the forums. Good luck with that.

Posted - 2008.01.10 19:55:00 - [266]

 

Originally by: nether void

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Hahaha! I just figured out how to fix this. Since all a pvp corp has to do is pay a CONCORD fee to start a wardec, they should add a fee industrial corps can pay CONCORD to close the wardec.

Solved.

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Dumb and unoriginal.

Posted - 2008.01.10 20:01:00 - [268]

 

*goes to iMune Sov Systems*

Posted - 2008.01.11 20:26:00 - [270]

 

Could CCP just be honest with us, and tell us which dev's character is in a corp trying to make a war declaration? Privateers played by the rules until the game mechanics were changed by changing the cost. No - some dev is ****ed that a corp found a way to use game mechanics to their advantage.