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ED209X |
Posted - 2007.12.16 19:50:00 - [ 31]
Is it us v us?
No its us vs the game designers.
So I'd like to add my complaint.
Torpedo range is now too short.
Wasted: skill training time
research time on torp BPOs
stockpile of torps.
lps used to buy faction torps.
copy time of BPO for BPC sales
So my suggestion. If not put the torpedo range back where it was put it at 50%, vs 75% where its at now.
And for those of you that "poo poo" PvE with a raven and torpedoes, I've completed all lvl 4 missions, even enemies abound 5 of 5.
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Strak Yogorn
Amarr
Mind Warpers |
Posted - 2007.12.16 20:39:00 - [ 32]
you guys unable to adapt to changes are what is killing eve.. changes are good, makes ppl think.. dont blame the devs for trying to make it more interesting for the bigger audience, blame yourself for not being able to change.
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Righteous Deeds |
Posted - 2007.12.17 02:46:00 - [ 33]
Please explain why changing all torpedos was a better solution than simply adding adding a new set with the new capabilites. "Change," would have occured. Those that wanted the new weapon would have had one. Those that used the old torpedoes would have lost nothing. Everyone happy. Win/win. Pick any nerf and apply the same principle.
Simply changing the existing game-tech is better for players how? |
Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2007.12.17 03:24:00 - [ 34]
 Originally by: Righteous Deeds
Please explain why changing all torpedos was a better solution than simply adding adding a new set with the new capabilites. "Change," would have occured. Those that wanted the new weapon would have had one. Those that used the old torpedoes would have lost nothing. Everyone happy. Win/win. Pick any nerf and apply the same principle.
Simply changing the existing game-tech is better for players how?
So where are my 100km 600 DPS turrets? |
Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
The Laughing Men |
Posted - 2007.12.17 06:49:00 - [ 35]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Righteous Deeds
Please explain why changing all torpedos was a better solution than simply adding adding a new set with the new capabilites. "Change," would have occured. Those that wanted the new weapon would have had one. Those that used the old torpedoes would have lost nothing. Everyone happy. Win/win. Pick any nerf and apply the same principle.
Simply changing the existing game-tech is better for players how?
Oh come on, you're from a real pvp alliance, you know that anyone being hit by missiles at 100km is just sitting there wanting to be hit, or could have been killed much MUCH faster by a closer range ship.
Longrange torps was only really useful for missions. It was handy but silly overkill for pvp.
So where are my 100km 600 DPS turrets?
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Hami Sa |
Posted - 2007.12.17 07:00:00 - [ 36]
Originally by: Gamesguy
So where are my 100km 600 DPS turrets?
Same place as the 400 dps 150km instant hit missiles. |
Eka Maladay
Gallente
The Elliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 07:26:00 - [ 37]
Originally by: Hami Sa
Originally by: Gamesguy
So where are my 100km 600 DPS turrets?
Same place as the 400 dps 150km instant hit missiles.
LOL You say that like Caldari can't use Hybrid guns! |
Will Stronghold
Militaris Industries |
Posted - 2007.12.17 13:32:00 - [ 38]
the 100km 600DPS turrets are called OGRE II-s |
Inir Ishtori
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.17 13:54:00 - [ 39]
Originally by: Will Stronghold
the 100km 600DPS turrets are called OGRE II-s
/facepalm |
Lothros Andastar
Gallente |
Posted - 2007.12.17 14:32:00 - [ 40]
Originally by: Will Stronghold
the 100km 600DPS turrets are called OGRE II-s
Fail 1) Drone control Range at 100km? Yeah Just let me know when U find that 8 Highslot Domi 2) OMGBBQT3HDRONEZAREAT50KM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FIREALLLAZERS! 3) Fail |
d026
temp holding
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Posted - 2007.12.17 14:48:00 - [ 41]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Righteous Deeds
Please explain why changing all torpedos was a better solution than simply adding adding a new set with the new capabilites. "Change," would have occured. Those that wanted the new weapon would have had one. Those that used the old torpedoes would have lost nothing. Everyone happy. Win/win. Pick any nerf and apply the same principle.
Simply changing the existing game-tech is better for players how?
So where are my 100km 600 DPS turrets?
Sorry those are only available to BOB members:) |
Hami Sa |
Posted - 2007.12.17 15:24:00 - [ 42]
Originally by: Eka Maladay
LOL
You say that like Caldari can't use Hybrid guns!
 That has nothing to do with the balance between guns and missiles. |
Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Eclats de verre
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Posted - 2007.12.17 16:53:00 - [ 43]
Edited by: Eleana Tomelac on 17/12/2007 16:54:36 Originally by: Hami Sa
Originally by: Eka Maladay
LOL
You say that like Caldari can't use Hybrid guns!
That has nothing to do with the balance between guns and missiles.
This has to do with using the right ship for the right purpose. If the purpose is to shoot things instantly at 200km, just use a rokh. You can shoot delayed damage (missiles) of the damage type you need at the same range, use a raven. If it's about short range, use a raven and torps. Rokh and blasters may work too... Adapt again? |
Eka Maladay
Gallente
The Elliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 17:20:00 - [ 44]
Originally by: Hami Sa
Originally by: Eka Maladay
LOL
You say that like Caldari can't use Hybrid guns!
That has nothing to do with the balance between guns and missiles.
No, it doesn't, but they started whining not getting a 100km instant hit 400 dps missile. Well, there's your missile for you. For other race (save for perhaps minmater) you gonna have to trains another race just to use missile at all, fair? |
Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:07:00 - [ 45]
Eh? With the right skills and ship mods you can get the range of torps to 70km with around 730dps and still hold an indefinite tank against any rats. The torp nerf only made torps useless in missions but cruise missiles were already the better choice. |
Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2007.12.17 22:12:00 - [ 46]
Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Righteous Deeds
Please explain why changing all torpedos was a better solution than simply adding adding a new set with the new capabilites. "Change," would have occured. Those that wanted the new weapon would have had one. Those that used the old torpedoes would have lost nothing. Everyone happy. Win/win. Pick any nerf and apply the same principle.
Simply changing the existing game-tech is better for players how?
Oh come on, you're from a real pvp alliance, you know that anyone being hit by missiles at 100km is just sitting there wanting to be hit, or could have been killed much MUCH faster by a closer range ship.
Longrange torps was only really useful for missions. It was handy but silly overkill for pvp.
So where are my 100km 600 DPS turrets?
Oh no. I just want them to NPC with. Why should I be forced to train for the raven to PvE while Caldari isnt forced to train say...amarr for pvp? Mind you I already have torp 5. |
Beowulf Scheafer |
Posted - 2007.12.18 01:21:00 - [ 47]
which of the lvl4 missions is hard? especially hard enough to not beeing soloable anymore with cruise missiles????
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d'Arma Edd |
Posted - 2007.12.18 17:36:00 - [ 48]
Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: F90OEX
BTW.. NPC Torp Rats need a nerf, since there firing off T1 torps 100km away and hitting..
Now here at last is some form of 'realistic' request.
NPCs should be able to hit at the distance of a player with faction gear.
If they can hit at this range, they sure had better drop the siege launchers that are doing this. Otherwise, its clearly an omission by ccp to balance them
So, I received answer to my petition. I asked to adjust long-range-torpedo NPCs or add "modified" torpedoes and launchers making it possible to their loot table. Answer was, to make it short - "It's not bug, but maybe issue with game development and balance -> ask devs@forum in the "Features and Ideas discussions" about this. GM Lovakat" |
Plekto
Freedom United Consolidations - Inter Terrestrial
United For 0rder |
Posted - 2007.12.20 02:16:00 - [ 49]
Edited by: Plekto on 20/12/2007 02:16:17
Easier would be to change all torpedos on NPCs to faction cruises, which do about 85-90% the damage. |
Military Borg |
Posted - 2007.12.25 18:09:00 - [ 50]
you know its funny. people are complaining about a torp that goes 100k where as a projectile weapon doesnt. hmm lets think about this.
if i fire a gun at you we shall say 100k in space which means it doesnt have to go very fast and you can move right. doesnt that give you the option to dodge? the round cant adjust so it would theoretically miss right?
Now if i shoot a missle or a torpedo which has a guidance system in it from 100k away and slowly you can still dodge right? but wait the weapon is a guidance weapon which means once locked on it will track its target and follow.
that is the reason why in todays arsenals missles and torpedoes are the prefered method of hitting a moving target. yes we have computers that track and shoot ahead of the moving object i know. though the object still has to be CLOSE for a gun system to hit a moving target. where as a missle or torpedo can adjust along its flight path. nerfing the torpedoes so drastically was ridiculous, and saying that we need to adjust to a changing world sure i agree but theres a problem: since when in a middle of a war have we ever lost a established ability? i mean torps were built and established for a long time and now BOOM they are nerfed no way not realistic even for this kind of game. so yes change is nice but drastically nerfing a weapon like this was ridiculous. and no amount of warning is enough when youve already dedicated all the time to getting those skills. |
Gengo |
Posted - 2007.12.30 13:52:00 - [ 51]
Just returned to the game after a busy period. Dissppointed to see such drastic changes (torp nerf), I do not have time to follow all the changes constantly.
I guess this game is not for me,
Bye bye |
Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2007.12.30 14:35:00 - [ 52]
Originally by: Gengo
Just returned to the game after a busy period. Dissppointed to see such drastic changes (torp nerf), I do not have time to follow all the changes constantly.
I guess this game is not for me,
Bye bye
Can I have your stuff? |
Sethiol
Igneus Auctorita |
Posted - 2008.01.06 16:25:00 - [ 53]
Edited by: Sethiol on 06/01/2008 16:26:58 Originally by: Strak Yogorn
you guys unable to adapt to changes are what is killing eve.. changes are good, makes ppl think.. dont blame the devs for trying to make it more interesting for the bigger audience, blame yourself for not being able to change.
I love how people like yourself have nothing more to say then "Adapt". But nerf your turrents, which dont say they should do and thats another topic all by its self, and you would be the same *****es crying that its not fair. Personally, I sstill dont get why they nerfed the Torp. Its just doesnt make any since. Its not bad enough that when it comes to missiles, your pretty much limited to either ratting, mission running or (in the case of Torps) POS shooting. Yes, Yes, I will concede to those nay sayers that missiles can be used for PVP in "very specific" cases. But Come the F On, tell me the last time a missile boat beat a blasterthron? Seriously people. I am stil kinda a noob at these things and its like bringing a popgun to a assualt rifle battle. You try and go head to head or 2 on 1 with a well built turrent based ship and your asking to be podded. Missiles have long been out classes by turrents since this game came out. And why? I have been asking that question since I realized how f'd I was by picking caldari. I really didnt want to *****, but more want to understand the reason behind the nerf. The REAL Reason. Not the Dev spewed BS they like to dish out. |
Sangost |
Posted - 2008.01.06 16:28:00 - [ 54]
Originally by: Zeknichov
Originally by: Gengo
Just returned to the game after a busy period. Dissppointed to see such drastic changes (torp nerf), I do not have time to follow all the changes constantly.
I guess this game is not for me,
Bye bye
Can I have your stuff?
Seriously STFU..... |
Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
Epicurean Circle
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Posted - 2008.01.06 16:46:00 - [ 55]
/signed
The decision to make torps the caldari blaster/autocannon equiv == FAIL. |
Louis DelaBlanche
An Outlying Variable
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Posted - 2008.01.06 20:03:00 - [ 56]
Small: rockets= shortrange, standard missiles= longrange
Medium: heavy assault missiles= shortrange, heavy missiles = longrange
Large: Torpedos= shortrange, Cruise missiles = longrange.
Seems pretty balanced now. Course im not a pure lvl4 mission runner/NPCer whose thrown all my eggs into the torpedo basket so I guess I have no reason to complain. |
Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.01.06 22:21:00 - [ 57]
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2008.01.07 00:37:00 - [ 58]
Originally by: Sethiol
Edited by: Sethiol on 06/01/2008 16:26:58
Originally by: Strak Yogorn
you guys unable to adapt to changes are what is killing eve.. changes are good, makes ppl think.. dont blame the devs for trying to make it more interesting for the bigger audience, blame yourself for not being able to change.
I love how people like yourself have nothing more to say then "Adapt". But nerf your turrents, which dont say they should do and thats another topic all by its self, and you would be the same *****es crying that its not fair. Personally, I sstill dont get why they nerfed the Torp. Its just doesnt make any since. Its not bad enough that when it comes to missiles, your pretty much limited to either ratting, mission running or (in the case of Torps) POS shooting. Yes, Yes, I will concede to those nay sayers that missiles can be used for PVP in "very specific" cases. But Come the F On, tell me the last time a missile boat beat a blasterthron? Seriously people. I am stil kinda a noob at these things and its like bringing a popgun to a assualt rifle battle. You try and go head to head or 2 on 1 with a well built turrent based ship and your asking to be podded. Missiles have long been out classes by turrents since this game came out. And why? I have been asking that question since I realized how f'd I was by picking caldari. I really didnt want to *****, but more want to understand the reason behind the nerf. The REAL Reason. Not the Dev spewed BS they like to dish out.
The new torp raven can easilly beat a blasterthron 1v1. |
Smakko
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.07 00:46:00 - [ 59]
let's not reply to every torp whine thread. especially threads that were essentially dead for a week before being resurrected for dubious reasons. |
Military Borg |
Posted - 2008.01.14 07:04:00 - [ 60]
Originally by: Smakko
let's not reply to every torp whine thread. especially threads that were essentially dead for a week before being resurrected for dubious reasons.
yeah we i mean you guys really shouldnt do such a thing. shame on you for talking about things that were important to you. BAD DOG! |
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