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ThisAlt IsUseless |
Posted - 2007.12.03 23:27:00 - [ 331]
ok page 12 is here now.. bored of waiting |
Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.12.03 23:44:00 - [ 332]
 Originally by: CCP kieron
The following has been added to the Patch Notes under the NPC heading:
• NPC bounties are no longer delivered when you kill an NPC but rather 15-20 minutes after you kill your first NPC in a system.
wtf does this mean? IF i kill a guy i have to wait 15-20 minutes till i receive the bounties? because of so your choice of words sucks. |
MacQueen
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.12.03 23:45:00 - [ 333]
Originally by: CCP kieron
The following has been added to the Patch Notes under the Ships listing:
Capital and Capital Industrial class ships (Carriers, Motherships, Titans and Rorquals) will need to have ships removed from their ship maintenance arrays before the deployment of EVE: Trinity. Leaving anything other than ammunition or cap booster charges in the array may result in the ship not being able to move, warp or jump.
Yeah but I don't really feel like flying 40 jumps to where my carrier is so can I petiton this when and if the time comes or what. I guess this probobly won't be an issue if the ship is docked eh? |
Helison
Gallente
Times of Ancar
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Posted - 2007.12.03 23:54:00 - [ 334]
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
Originally by: CCP kieron
The following has been added to the Patch Notes under the NPC heading:
• NPC bounties are no longer delivered when you kill an NPC but rather 15-20 minutes after you kill your first NPC in a system.
wtf does this mean?
IF i kill a guy i have to wait 15-20 minutes till i receive the bounties? because of so your choice of words sucks.
Exactly. Concord became a bit lazy and is only making payments every 15-20 minutes. All NPC-kills within one system during this time are concentrated into one payment. |
Helison
Gallente
Times of Ancar
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Posted - 2007.12.03 23:58:00 - [ 335]
Originally by: CCP kieron
The following has been added to the Patch Notes under the Ships listing:
Capital and Capital Industrial class ships (Carriers, Motherships, Titans and Rorquals) will need to have ships removed from their ship maintenance arrays before the deployment of EVE: Trinity. Leaving anything other than ammunition or cap booster charges in the array may result in the ship not being able to move, warp or jump.
This nerf is not thought through. PLEASE tell me why you didn´t increase the ship volume of haulers? This would bring the same result, but with much less bad consequences (like being unable to scoop an inty, which has loot in it´s cargohold). |
Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon |
Posted - 2007.12.04 00:05:00 - [ 336]
Edited by: Elmicker on 04/12/2007 00:14:22 Originally by: CCP kieron
The following has been added to the Patch Notes under the Ships listing:
Capital and Capital Industrial class ships (Carriers, Motherships, Titans and Rorquals) will need to have ships removed from their ship maintenance arrays before the deployment of EVE: Trinity. Leaving anything other than ammunition or cap booster charges in the array may result in the ship not being able to move, warp or jump.
Yet another consequence that could have been easily avoided by doing away with this supremely moronic nerf, and simply increasing hauler volume. |
Helliopolis
Minmatar |
Posted - 2007.12.04 01:04:00 - [ 337]
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Raketefrau
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Initiative Mercenaries |
Posted - 2007.12.04 01:36:00 - [ 338]
Edited by: Raketefrau on 04/12/2007 01:37:34 Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Galldar
Nerf the carrier..nerf the game..good job CCP on listening to your player base...
Carriers are not transports/freighters. You shouldn't be able to use the same ship for solo PvP, group PvP, PvE, AND transporting your goods. There shouldn't a single ship that does everything.
Solo PvP in a carrier is a freaking myth. It's time that was recognized. A single ewar ship can completely jam a carrier (I know I've done it a billion times) so that it can't rep other carriers, and it really doesn't take much to take one down. A 3m cruiser can render a 1.3b (before fittings) ship useless. I saw 6 taken down in a single encounter last week. By an entirely non-capital fleet. There were almost 2 moms killed as well, but the lag screwed with our dictors. Anyone who believes that carriers are pwnmobiles has never flown one. It's that simple. |
Inertia Foryu
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Imperial Republic Of the North |
Posted - 2007.12.04 01:40:00 - [ 339]
Originally by: Chilled G
OMG a whole day without eve ...... i think i can hold on
I'm realy looking forward to this, Good Luck CCP
I'm excited as well. I will be completely uninstalling the old eve, with all the old eve cache files, and then run some serious defragging of my hard drive. I will be ready! |
Fswd
Gallente
Psychotic Sea Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.12.04 01:55:00 - [ 340]
2 words: jump freighters |
ChaosOne
Caldari
Lux Vitae
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.12.04 03:08:00 - [ 341]
Originally by: Fswd
2 words: jump freighters
How about 8 billion words......... |
Bahamir
Minmatar |
Posted - 2007.12.04 04:20:00 - [ 342]
Originally by: ChaosOne
Originally by: Fswd
2 words: jump freighters
How about 8 billion words.........
I'll get banned for sure :D |
Smoogle
Caldari |
Posted - 2007.12.04 05:43:00 - [ 343]
I don't really get the point of drone bandwidth.
IE: in my covetor, the bay is 50 m3. 5 drones, each 10 m3, and I can field 5. 'K.
So they are limiting ships to basically the SAME limit they have now? Whats the point of that? Unless they increase the bay size so you can use mining drones, then recall and toss out fighters, or recall your fighters and toss out repair drones. And to do that, you'd need a bigger bay anyways. |
Armadaus Baldwin
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2007.12.04 06:48:00 - [ 344]
As I've said before, blanket nerfs are not a good idea, and not well thought through. And yes, I'm using the Arazu as my example... deal with it.
An Arazu has two purposes. To Scout and Lock Down an Enemy for a gang. And to support a fleet with the same thing.
Without adjusting the bonuses on the Arazu, it's now a fairly useless ship for both of it's roles. I cannot lock down and pin an enemy and await for reinforcements, if he can target and smoke me in a few seconds.
RSD's are the life/death of Arazu's. This needs to be seriously reconsidered.
I admit freely that RSD's are overpowered in general, but ships made specifically to survive by their use, need to keep their current status quo. |
SeismicForce
Terra Incognita
Systematic-Chaos |
Posted - 2007.12.04 07:40:00 - [ 345]
Originally by: Matalino
It will greatly reduce the number of wallet transaction records stored in the database, as all of the rats that you kill in 15-20 minutes will be creditted in a single transaction instead of several dozen. This will improve DB preformance and make the wallet export more usable.
Ah, well the notes could have been a bit clearer. I thought there would be a delay of 15 minutes then all the bounties would be paid as they are now, and not as a lump-sum. |
Ancy Denaries
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Posted - 2007.12.04 09:17:00 - [ 346]
Originally by: Smoogle
I don't really get the point of drone bandwidth.
IE: in my covetor, the bay is 50 m3. 5 drones, each 10 m3, and I can field 5. 'K.
So they are limiting ships to basically the SAME limit they have now? Whats the point of that? Unless they increase the bay size so you can use mining drones, then recall and toss out fighters, or recall your fighters and toss out repair drones. And to do that, you'd need a bigger bay anyways.
Drone bandwidth is implemented to allow dedicated drone-boats (and others) to bring along reinforcement-wave drones, and at the same time limit them from fielding five heavies on a cruiser. Big dronebay in Rev = bigger drones, but still just 5. Big dronebay in Trin = Limited by bandwidth, thus still fielding med drones, but can bring a lot more, so if they go pop, launch another. Or bring several kinds of drones for different damagetypes etcetc. And about the ratting payout: Once you kill an NPC, a clock starts ticking. Every NPC you kill (belt rat or mission rat) during that time gets accumulated to one big payout. That payout will be payed if you jump system (unsure about that) or if you wait 25 minutes. You still get the same payout. This is to reduce database read/writes and increase performance overall. Imagine you kill 80 rats. That's 80 writes in the database, and 80 writes in your wallet. Now, imagine you kill those rats in less than 40 minutes. That's 2 writes in your wallet, and 2 to the database. Some increase in performance, hmm? |
Shinzann
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men |
Posted - 2007.12.04 09:26:00 - [ 347]
Originally by: Ancy Denaries
And about the ratting payout:
Once you kill an NPC, a clock starts ticking. Every NPC you kill (belt rat or mission rat) during that time gets accumulated to one big payout. That payout will be payed if you jump system (unsure about that) or if you wait 25 minutes. You still get the same payout. This is to reduce database read/writes and increase performance overall. Imagine you kill 80 rats. That's 80 writes in the database, and 80 writes in your wallet. Now, imagine you kill those rats in less than 40 minutes. That's 2 writes in your wallet, and 2 to the database. Some increase in performance, hmm?
As long as I get paid for the rats I kill, it's all good. |
Shinzann
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men |
Posted - 2007.12.04 09:27:00 - [ 348]
Edited by: Shinzann on 04/12/2007 09:27:18 Originally by: Inertia Foryu
Originally by: Chilled G
OMG a whole day without eve ...... i think i can hold on
I'm really looking forward to this, Good Luck CCP
I'm excited as well.
I will be completely uninstalling the old eve, with all the old eve cache files, and then run some serious defragging of my hard drive. I will be ready!
Hey... that's not a bad idea... it'll distract my mind from the lack of EVE... edited for spelling |
SeismicForce
Terra Incognita
Systematic-Chaos |
Posted - 2007.12.04 09:27:00 - [ 349]
Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Once you kill an NPC, a clock starts ticking. Every NPC you kill (belt rat or mission rat) during that time gets accumulated to one big payout. That payout will be payed if you jump system (unsure about that) or if you wait 25 minutes. You still get the same payout. This is to reduce database read/writes and increase performance overall. Imagine you kill 80 rats. That's 80 writes in the database, and 80 writes in your wallet. Now, imagine you kill those rats in less than 40 minutes. That's 2 writes in your wallet, and 2 to the database. Some increase in performance, hmm?
Yes, but the transactions have to be stored somewhere before the credit to your wallet, question is where? |
Kurogauna |
Posted - 2007.12.04 09:36:00 - [ 350]
What about gallente blue ugliness ? |
Distillers
Caldari
The Renegades Asylum
DEFI4NT |
Posted - 2007.12.04 10:13:00 - [ 351]
Dont know if its ben asked already but what about the lost day we all have paid for? |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:21:00 - [ 352]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/12/2007 10:21:01 Originally by: Distillers
Dont know if its ben asked already but what about the lost day we all have paid for?
it's payment for the expansion, if you don't like it fork up 30 bucks. ungrateful twit. |
Chruker |
Posted - 2007.12.04 10:31:00 - [ 353]
Originally by: SeismicForce
Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Once you kill an NPC, a clock starts ticking. Every NPC you kill (belt rat or mission rat) during that time gets accumulated to one big payout. That payout will be payed if you jump system (unsure about that) or if you wait 25 minutes. You still get the same payout. This is to reduce database read/writes and increase performance overall. Imagine you kill 80 rats. That's 80 writes in the database, and 80 writes in your wallet. Now, imagine you kill those rats in less than 40 minutes. That's 2 writes in your wallet, and 2 to the database. Some increase in performance, hmm?
Yes, but the transactions have to be stored somewhere before the credit to your wallet, question is where?
The solarsystem node's memory propably, if they hope to decrease the amount of DB transactions with it. Changing the bounty payouts from single payout to blob payout, also means less data for the server to send to your client. |
Anglo
Minmatar
Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:32:00 - [ 354]
what i dont understand is that ccp nerf the carier like this, when basicly 90% of eve dont feel like its needed... i know its there game and all, but ffs.. listening to the player base is always a good idea...
ya well lets see when it is renerfed... the next patch will prolly be that u can only launch 5 fighters. if that happends i know alot who leaves.. enough is enough really.. some people have trained for a LONG time under FALSE ideas... nerfing isent always good... and also with the new heavy dictor i wouldent pilot a mom in the first place... rather be in the dictor hehe... they ROCK. 1 dictor with 1 carier repping it while shoting at the mom... BYE motherships... was nice seing you.....
NOT good ccp... u ****ed up players who have trained for along time... im not happy... eye candy or not... it just aint all... |
Distillers
Caldari
The Renegades Asylum
DEFI4NT |
Posted - 2007.12.04 10:45:00 - [ 355]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/12/2007 10:21:01
Originally by: Distillers
Dont know if its ben asked already but what about the lost day we all have paid for?
it's payment for the expansion, if you don't like it fork up 30 bucks.
ungrateful twit.
Someone get out of the wrong side of bed this morning or maybe forgot to have there weetabix? Thought i paid for the game when i got it and each time i pay everytime i run out of eve time. Wont even be able to use the "Premium Graphics Content" anyways so to me it wont mean much. But i do know they've put alot of time and money into this great game which im not attacking. Just wondering if they'll give us that day back...  |
Adam C
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 10:47:00 - [ 356]
'Drone groups will properly persist after logging off.'
Does this mean they disappear when a player logs off and reappear when a player logs on? |
Kitarie II
DRUCKWELLE Evolution
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.12.04 11:13:00 - [ 357]
Originally by: Adam C
'Drone groups will properly persist after logging off.'
Does this mean they disappear when a player logs off and reappear when a player logs on?
No. There was a bug when you created drone groups that they disappeared. Now they won't |
Razoran |
Posted - 2007.12.04 11:22:00 - [ 358]
Awesome stuff CCP, seriously. i doubt WOW would ever get something quite this big. especially love the heat improvements and drone bandwidth thing. they'll both increase tactical options, and really make you have to make decisions in battle. We are, after all, flying big Space ships, and ships are generally complicated. i dont understand the people who wont combat overly simplified, its just stupid. Oh, and distillers, seriously, thats like your boss saying "im tripling your pay,halfing your work day and promoting you from janitor to CEO and im giving you your unpaid vacation!" you:"IM NOT GETTING PAID FOR THE VACAION!!??"  |
Mytzso
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n |
Posted - 2007.12.04 11:24:00 - [ 359]
I am a happy n00b. |
Ryan Thibodeaux |
Posted - 2007.12.04 11:39:00 - [ 360]
Originally by: Distillers
Dont know if its ben asked already but what about the lost day we all have paid for?
drop me a line and I'll be sure to paypal you for one day of service. Hmm that comes to around 50 cents. |
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