| Author |
Topic |
Mistress Suffering
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc. |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:14:00 - [ 1]
To preface this, I'll say up front that I don't particularly root for either side in the 'Great War'. You can probably figure out I'm posting with my main. I spent some time in D2 right before MC fought them, and I've indirectly fought against BoB hostiles (CVA/IAC) down in Providence recently. Massive lagfests and storms of 40-60 capitals, supercapitals, etc.. on a side just aren't the environment that's likely to bring me a lot of joy. So I mostly spend my time playing in territory where that war isn't.
Ok, so that's out of the way.
It seems like EVE can't manage to find graceful winners, and I wonder why that is.
In the early days of the Great War, BoB were total pr**ks. Blasting the forums with holier than thou garbage day in and day out, taking credit for stuff they didn't do, and generally filling me with loathing for anything even vaguely BoB-related.
The Goons, who I'd already known from something awful, were pretty much as expected. Irreverent, fun-loving, and finding humor and cheer even in the direst pit of in-game *ss-whuppin. Man I thought, those guys are cool and BoB are jerks, its all so clear. Its a shame that the bad guys are going to win.
Fast forward a bit, and things start turning. The war rolls on, battles come and go, both sides mouth off a bunch, and things turn around. Alliances fall apart, weak-willed corporations blow in the wind, and the opportunistic are making blind guesses on where to go. Its not clear where the easy win is. BoB clams up in forums, Goons get mouthier in forums, and both sides look more even. I'm still remembering what jerks BoB were before, but now the Goons are acting badly too. MC's kicking butt, rolls the north and brings in a tide of followers looking for that easy win again. Actually, I'm going to have to digress from my point here for a sec, since I think MC was relatively well-behaved while winning. Honestly, a pleasant change compared to what seems to be the norm.
Ok, so now we get to the here and now and things are in complete opposite. BoB now looks to be getting hammered, and they're acting a whole lot classier about it. The Vacuum video was excellent. My god, it made losing look... cool. What's up with that? The Goons on the other hand, contract a case of Mad Cow disease and spew and froth all over the forums for nothing but the sake of random disruption. All the spineless groups that once flocked to BoB for free wins, flock to the other team for free wins and are loud and self-righteous.
Arrrgh.
Why is this? Is it the same group of a** nuggets that taint the forums from either side, moving to whoever is winning to be loud about it? Is it just that every group has a significant number of people who suck, and winning gives them license to suck publically?
I dunno. I guess winning makes people let down their guard and act how they want to. It also seems to attract the most opportunistic and undesirable. I'd encourage more folks to think about that as they move forward and ask yourself how you actually wish to define yourself. Battles will come and go, some alliances will change names or regions, but what you choose to be while doing so will remain with you.
Choose well. |
Ramlir
Gallente
0.0 Corp
|
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:16:00 - [ 2]
*snip* Spam removed - Valorem |
Ramlir
Gallente
0.0 Corp
|
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:16:00 - [ 3]
*snip* Spam removed - Valorem |
Crimson Ghostly
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:30:00 - [ 4]
*snip* Spam removed - Valorem |
Aisar
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:31:00 - [ 5]
*snip* Spam removed |
Bran Stormer
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:32:00 - [ 6]
*snip* Spam removed - Valorem |
Kart Kamikaze
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:33:00 - [ 7]
*snip* Spam removed - Valorem |
The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:34:00 - [ 8]
*snip* Spam removed - Valorem |
Bran Stormer
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:34:00 - [ 9]
*snip* Spam removed - Valorem |
Aisar
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:35:00 - [ 10]
*snip* Spam removed - Valorem |
Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:35:00 - [ 11]
 Originally by: Mistress Suffering
To preface this, I'll say up front that I don't particularly root for either side in the 'Great War'. You can probably figure out I'm posting with my main. I spent some time in D2 right before MC fought them, and I've indirectly fought against BoB hostiles (CVA/IAC) down in Providence recently. Massive lagfests and storms of 40-60 capitals, supercapitals, etc.. on a side just aren't the environment that's likely to bring me a lot of joy. So I mostly spend my time playing in territory where that war isn't.
Ok, so that's out of the way.
It seems like EVE can't manage to find graceful winners, and I wonder why that is.
In the early days of the Great War, BoB were total pr**ks. Blasting the forums with holier than thou garbage day in and day out, taking credit for stuff they didn't do, and generally filling me with loathing for anything even vaguely BoB-related.
The Goons, who I'd already known from something awful, were pretty much as expected. Irreverent, fun-loving, and finding humor and cheer even in the direst pit of in-game *ss-whuppin. Man I thought, those guys are cool and BoB are jerks, its all so clear. Its a shame that the bad guys are going to win.
Fast forward a bit, and things start turning. The war rolls on, battles come and go, both sides mouth off a bunch, and things turn around. Alliances fall apart, weak-willed corporations blow in the wind, and the opportunistic are making blind guesses on where to go. Its not clear where the easy win is. BoB clams up in forums, Goons get mouthier in forums, and both sides look more even. I'm still remembering what jerks BoB were before, but now the Goons are acting badly too. MC's kicking butt, rolls the north and brings in a tide of followers looking for that easy win again. Actually, I'm going to have to digress from my point here for a sec, since I think MC was relatively well-behaved while winning. Honestly, a pleasant change compared to what seems to be the norm.
Ok, so now we get to the here and now and things are in complete opposite. BoB now looks to be getting hammered, and they're acting a whole lot classier about it. The Vacuum video was excellent. My god, it made losing look... cool. What's up with that? The Goons on the other hand, contract a case of Mad Cow disease and spew and froth all over the forums for nothing but the sake of random disruption. All the spineless groups that once flocked to BoB for free wins, flock to the other team for free wins and are loud and self-righteous.
Arrrgh.
Why is this? Is it the same group of a** nuggets that taint the forums from either side, moving to whoever is winning to be loud about it? Is it just that every group has a significant number of people who suck, and winning gives them license to suck publically?
I dunno. I guess winning makes people let down their guard and act how they want to. It also seems to attract the most opportunistic and undesirable. I'd encourage more folks to think about that as they move forward and ask yourself how you actually wish to define yourself. Battles will come and go, some alliances will change names or regions, but what you choose to be while doing so will remain with you.
Choose well.
While we are sworn enemies (In character anyway) ... a LOT of what you say is true! |
Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:42:00 - [ 12]
On balance, I think the OP is correct, but it isn't 100% accurate. There are exceptions and I like to think Morsus Mihi is one of them.
I can't think of a case during my tenure in this alliance where we've won anything and posted about it here or rubbed anyone's nose in it. We don't whinge when we lose, either. We don't start threads. We barely take part in them at all. We do attempt to post measured responses in situations we feel require them.
I think there are some models of decent behavior out there if people care to look.
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ISD Valorem
Amarr
ISD STAR
|
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:51:00 - [ 13]
Please note that spamming the forums with useless posts that contribute nothing to a thread will be met with a warning.
Thread cleaned so please post constructively whether you agree with the OP or not.
Any queries regarding moderation can be sent to us at mods@ccpgames.com |
Gloomy Gus
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:53:00 - [ 14]
*snip* Spam removed |
WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:58:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: WrathOfOprah on 05/11/2007 23:59:57
The only one who's PR has changed is BoB. We've always smacked like it was going out of style. Thats all any of this is. PR.
Also, the Vacuum Video was more for the benefits of the Pets than anyone else. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. |
Joeyboy
Gallente
The Scope
|
Posted - 2007.11.05 23:59:00 - [ 16]
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
THe only one who's PR has changed is BoB. We've always smacked like it was going out of style. Thats all any of this is. PR.
No you haven't. The goon smack has gotten alot worse lately. |
Elizabeth Fallbrook
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.06 00:16:00 - [ 17]
Quote:
Ok, so now we get to the here and now and things are in complete opposite. BoB now looks to be getting hammered, and they're acting a whole lot classier about it. The Vacuum video was excellent. My god, it made losing look... cool. What's up with that? The Goons on the other hand, contract a case of Mad Cow disease and spew and froth all over the forums for nothing but the sake of random disruption.
Did you ever expect anything less from us? I mean, really? |
JeanPaul Sartre
Amarr
THE INTERNET.
Goodfellas. |
Posted - 2007.11.06 00:31:00 - [ 18]
Edited by: JeanPaul Sartre on 06/11/2007 00:34:17 Originally by: Elizabeth Fallbrook
Did you ever expect anything less from us? I mean, really?
Contrast the Goonswarm presentation at Fanfest with your CAOD assasination over the weekend. People did expect more and you failed to deliver  Edit: actually one telling phrase in the presentation gave the game away a little. I'll paraphrase because I'm not watching it again: We have our own community outside of Eve. It seems you dont want the rest of us to have a community at all. |
RedlegSA
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2007.11.06 00:34:00 - [ 19]
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2007.11.06 00:39:00 - [ 20]
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DudeManGuyBro
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.06 02:13:00 - [ 21]
UPDATE: Some people play Eve Online. Others do not. |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.11.06 02:27:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Mistress Suffering
BoB now looks to be getting hammered, and they're acting a whole lot classier about it. The Vacuum video was excellent. My god, it made losing look... cool. What's up with that? The Goons on the other hand, contract a case of Mad Cow disease and spew and froth all over the forums for nothing but the sake of random disruption.
Well losing is still losing, no matter how much gloss you put on it. Yes the goons are being goons on the forums, and tbh, it has gone a little too far  They should make their own glossy vid and maybe release it at the fanfest or something...oh wait Possibly the reason Goons will not be graceful in all this, is because of the sheer amount of BS that came from the BOB camp. The holier than thou, the arrogance, the omg, you name it. But then you see them in real life, wearing cowboy hats and aprons, or emo T-shirts with vacant expressions, the "haven't seen sunlight in 3 years" look, or the "what is a lady" mannerism...so yes, I kind of feel sorry for them now  |
JeanPaul Sartre
Amarr
THE INTERNET.
Goodfellas. |
Posted - 2007.11.06 02:54:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
LOLX BOB ARE TEH FGTS
Nice posting. |
Erik Amirault
Gallente
The Scope
|
Posted - 2007.11.06 03:08:00 - [ 24]
Ok so the reason why people should be nice and gracious about winning is because it bothers you when they don't. I'll be sure to get to our public relations department to make drastic changes right away. |
CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.06 03:22:00 - [ 25]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 06/11/2007 03:23:23
You're saying bob don't smack now? Does this mean GS should create a bunch of alts named Alice Wonderbread and Johnny Twoshoes and troll with them to even things up? I have an empty alt slot... I think I'll name him Crispycomm |
Marko Zhang
Amarr
Ministry of War
|
Posted - 2007.11.06 03:23:00 - [ 26]
Does anyone else find Valorem's little half-smirk kinda sexy, or is it just me?
|
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.11.06 04:14:00 - [ 27]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 06/11/2007 04:23:51 Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
LOLX BOB ARE TEH FGTS
Nice posting.
Your words, but like they say, if the hat fits  Marko Zhang..nice sig, just in case we needed a reminder Edit: can I get trolled by Goons for a change, BOB trolling (alt or not) has lost its edge these days  |
Reverend Revelator
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2007.11.06 04:24:00 - [ 28]
One thing I can't believe:
1) That a goon went to fanfest. Isn't that like a violation of everything, for want of a better phrase, goons stand for? Please tell me he's an ex-goon now, being gven the Remedial treatment? |
Callixtus
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.11.06 08:39:00 - [ 29]
Edited by: Callixtus on 06/11/2007 08:38:57 Originally by: Reverend Revelator
One thing I can't believe:
1) That a goon went to fanfest. Isn't that like a violation of everything, for want of a better phrase, goons stand for? Please tell me he's an ex-goon now, being gven the Remedial treatment?
i can assure you that all goons that attended fanfest, will have pictures of their lolenises posted to CAOD. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.11.06 08:46:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Mistress Suffering
To preface this, I'll say up front that I don't particularly root for either side in the 'Great War'. You can probably figure out I'm posting with my main. I spent some time in D2 right before MC fought them, and I've indirectly fought against BoB hostiles (CVA/IAC) down in Providence recently. Massive lagfests and storms of 40-60 capitals, supercapitals, etc.. on a side just aren't the environment that's likely to bring me a lot of joy. So I mostly spend my time playing in territory where that war isn't.
Ok, so that's out of the way.
It seems like EVE can't manage to find graceful winners, and I wonder why that is.
In the early days of the Great War, BoB were total pr**ks. Blasting the forums with holier than thou garbage day in and day out, taking credit for stuff they didn't do, and generally filling me with loathing for anything even vaguely BoB-related.
The Goons, who I'd already known from something awful, were pretty much as expected. Irreverent, fun-loving, and finding humor and cheer even in the direst pit of in-game *ss-whuppin. Man I thought, those guys are cool and BoB are jerks, its all so clear. Its a shame that the bad guys are going to win.
Fast forward a bit, and things start turning. The war rolls on, battles come and go, both sides mouth off a bunch, and things turn around. Alliances fall apart, weak-willed corporations blow in the wind, and the opportunistic are making blind guesses on where to go. Its not clear where the easy win is. BoB clams up in forums, Goons get mouthier in forums, and both sides look more even. I'm still remembering what jerks BoB were before, but now the Goons are acting badly too. MC's kicking butt, rolls the north and brings in a tide of followers looking for that easy win again. Actually, I'm going to have to digress from my point here for a sec, since I think MC was relatively well-behaved while winning. Honestly, a pleasant change compared to what seems to be the norm.
Ok, so now we get to the here and now and things are in complete opposite. BoB now looks to be getting hammered, and they're acting a whole lot classier about it. The Vacuum video was excellent. My god, it made losing look... cool. What's up with that? The Goons on the other hand, contract a case of Mad Cow disease and spew and froth all over the forums for nothing but the sake of random disruption. All the spineless groups that once flocked to BoB for free wins, flock to the other team for free wins and are loud and self-righteous.
Arrrgh.
Why is this? Is it the same group of a** nuggets that taint the forums from either side, moving to whoever is winning to be loud about it? Is it just that every group has a significant number of people who suck, and winning gives them license to suck publically?
I dunno. I guess winning makes people let down their guard and act how they want to. It also seems to attract the most opportunistic and undesirable. I'd encourage more folks to think about that as they move forward and ask yourself how you actually wish to define yourself. Battles will come and go, some alliances will change names or regions, but what you choose to be while doing so will remain with you.
Choose well.
You know, there's more going on in EvE than the RAGOON vs GBC war. |
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