| Author |
Topic |
Leya Marcsson |
Posted - 2007.10.30 02:57:00 - [ 1]
Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 30/10/2007 03:06:56Hi, I am into ECM mainly in a Rook so my biggest trouble are drones and FOF missiles. Cause I am caldari I never took a detailed look into drones. So I wounder - what is the best way to conter drones? I have collected some options perhabs you can help me too choose:  use FOF missiles. Because the drones orbit you quite close, all FOF missiles will chase the drones without I need to bother to lock them. I carry Heavy Middiles Launcher anyway - so this would'nt gimp my setup at all. use Smart Bombs. I could fit two Med Smart Bombs without gimping my setup too mutch (well need to drop the cloak). Smart Bombs could also help me agains FOF missiles. But they eat a lot cap, i would preffer to spend to ECM, and I need to pulse them for some time to counter med/heavy drones. BUT they do more damage than Heavy FOF AND hit all drones in range at once. Witch damage type should I choose? Should I mix two damage types? stay out of drone Range. Wich range should I stay of to be out of control range in general? use drones? Do it make sense to use drones agains drones? I would need to lock the drones to give them the targets, or is there some kind of guard mode so they atack the drones by them self? thanks for your help |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2007.10.30 03:07:00 - [ 2]
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/10/2007 03:07:09 Originally by: Leya Marcsson
use FOF missiles. Because the drones orbit you quite close, all FOF missiles will chase the drones without I need to bother to lock them.
Yes, you'll need to bunch your missiles up though, so that they all go after the same drone (otherwise you might see problems where the missiles don't all hit the same drone). That might happen anyway. ;-) Quote:
use Smart Bombs. I could fit two Med Smart Bombs without gimping my setup. Smart Bombs could also help me agains FOF missiles. But they eat a lot cap, i would preffer to spend to ECM, and I need to pulse them for some time to counter med/heavy drones. BUT they do more damage than Heavy FOF AND hit all drones in range at once. Witch damage type should I choose? Should I mix two damage types?
IIRC, 2 kin is the best for anti-drone maneuvers... but I might be wrong on this. I'd have to run the numbers again. In general, smartbombs are too cap intensive on an ewar setup (unless you're using a cap booster). Quote:
stay out of drone Range. Wich range should I stay of to be out of control range in general?
IIRC, 80+ km is usually going to be good. Scout Drones + ECM Drones 5 = 60km range, and then the drone link aug adds another 20. Quote:
use drones? Do it make sense to use drones agains drones?
This is the best solution you've presented. Also, you can cleverly use your drones to interpose between yourself and FOF's to "tank" the FOF damage. Quote:
thanks for your help
NP. Good luck Liang Ed: For the "drone tank" trick, make sure that you use light drones... T1 - they're *going* to pop. ;-) |
Annowyn
Ammatar.
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 03:08:00 - [ 3]
Edited by: Annowyn on 30/10/2007 03:09:15
Using drones to kill drones works rather well. Works even better when you have a web or target painter to help them. Smartbombs will kill drones, eventually, but their cap use may kill you before you kill them.
Swapping to FoF missiles is a lazy idea, and if you try to be lazy in PvP you are going to die. Just add drones to your overview to make clicking them easier.
To stay out of drone range against a ship with no +to drone range mods you need to be at 45.001 M.
|
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2007.10.30 03:09:00 - [ 4]
Originally by: Annowyn
Using drones to kill drones works rather well. Works even better when you have a web or target painter to help them. Smartbombs will kill drones, eventually, but their cap use may kill you before you kill them.
Swapping to FoF missiles is a lazy idea, and if you try to be lazy in PvP you are going to die. Just add drones to your overview to make clicking them easier.
To stay out of drone range against a ship with no +to drone range mods you need to be at 45.001 M.
61km. Liang |
Annowyn
Ammatar.
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 03:11:00 - [ 5]
Grrr! Forgot ECM Drone skill! |
Leya Marcsson |
Posted - 2007.10.30 03:16:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 30/10/2007 03:21:19
Thank you! I guess I'll choose "stay out of range" than and put some FOF beside the defenders lurking there for bad times. Cause its about a Rook/Falcon and I hang around at 84k-100k++ anyway AND as I just saw, they dont have even a drone bay :(
Droping the SB make me really glad, cause i can add an other launcher and a cloak now - and free up a rig slot (had a CCC there to substain the SB)
|
Arakidias
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.30 12:27:00 - [ 7]
Well, Rook has a lot of launcher slots yes? If you are getting hit by FoF's load up defenders and take out the FoF's.
I assume other people are doing damage here on your target. |
Diehard Si
0utbreak
Outbreak. |
Posted - 2007.10.30 14:00:00 - [ 8]
Not actually tried it out, but wouldn't ECM burst be good for this?
As long as your not going to affect your gang mates who might be close to you. |
Althea Nar'agh
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 14:09:00 - [ 9]
Drones don't "care" about ecm burts... |
OwnedBy Me
State War Academy
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 14:12:00 - [ 10]
Edited by: OwnedBy Me on 30/10/2007 14:14:41 Originally by: Leya Marcsson
Something about drones
Jam him before he locks you, mwd while u kill his drones with all ur weapons this also means ur drones.. Now he cant do anything. But what are u on ?... How do a drone carrier get so close to ur rook/falcon in the first place and get a lock, and send them after u ? |
Stiches |
Posted - 2007.10.30 14:31:00 - [ 11]
Edited by: Stiches on 30/10/2007 14:32:24
smartbombs + shoot the drones? |
jeepfreek |
Posted - 2007.10.30 14:55:00 - [ 12]
If I remember correctly rooks cannot carry drones.
Best way to stay alive is stay way the hell away from any action up close. Get that rook to 150+ at least on range and then use that to your advantage. |
Leya Marcsson |
Posted - 2007.10.30 17:46:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 30/10/2007 17:57:38Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 30/10/2007 17:55:51 Quote:
How do a drone carrier get so close to ur rook/falcon in the first place and get a lock, and send them after u ?
You can't always dictate the range. Sometimes things go worse and someone warp to the CO on your top and have the drones out on you, before a jammer cycle is ready to counter - or the first cycle fails. Now, in such a case I would like to have a counter and woundered if smartbomb or FOF would be the better choice. :) Originally by: jeepfreek
Get that rook to 150+ at least on range and then use that to your advantage.
I have 2 problems with ranges 100km++. First: I dont have weapons that would still work at this range (max range wth HM = 84km). Tho that would be sad, i would'nt care a lot but... Secoundly: I need a own warp in point for such ranges - meaning a ceptor or a CO where I can warp to. This don't work in the small gang scenario I am used to play, cause usualy I am the only ECM ship - so it feel like a waste of a ceptor. For this reason my fitting is optimiced at a distance of 80-100km. hmm, would it work if I drop a bookmark just short after the grid is loaded, warp out and warp back too that bookmark @100km? Need to test that... |
Vitrael
Reaper Industries
Cry Havoc. |
Posted - 2007.10.30 17:50:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Diehard Si
Not actually tried it out, but wouldn't ECM burst be good for this?
As long as your not going to affect your gang mates who might be close to you.
You can't break a drone's lock. |
Mudkest
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition |
Posted - 2007.10.30 17:58:00 - [ 15]
if it's for small gang pvp, get someone in gang on a anti-drone role? dessies are nice for this, or have osmeone use their drones to kill drones going for you? |
Leya Marcsson |
Posted - 2007.10.30 18:04:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 30/10/2007 18:03:53Nice Paintjob Mudkest :) Originally by: Mudkest
if it's for small gang pvp, get someone in gang on a anti-drone role? dessies are nice for this, or have osmeone use their drones to kill drones going for you?
Yea, that could be a thought worth. I'll talk about that with the gang. A somehow dedicated anti-drone role sounds usefull in many situations. Thank you, somehow missed that point :) |
Acoco Osiris
Gallente |
Posted - 2007.10.30 21:32:00 - [ 17]
Could also try using 125mm autocannons or electron blasters. I'd go with 125mm ACs, mainly for the 0 cap use. |
Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising |
Posted - 2007.10.30 21:46:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Vitrael
Originally by: Diehard Si
Not actually tried it out, but wouldn't ECM burst be good for this?
As long as your not going to affect your gang mates who might be close to you.
You can't break a drone's lock.
was that tested extensively? |
Mudkest
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition |
Posted - 2007.10.30 21:51:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Leya Marcsson
Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 30/10/2007 18:03:53
Nice Paintjob Mudkest :)
thanks, but not mine though, got it from another siggie, contacted him in game but wasnt his either and couldnt remember who did it so sadly cant give credits to the person taht made it :/ but I still want one! anyway thrasher seems a nice anti-drone ship, big volley damage and fast enough lock time. Could also go overkill and put a stealthbomber to anti drone purpose(3 cruise launchers)  |
Natalie Jax
Battlestars
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.10.30 22:32:00 - [ 20]
A Rook with a SBII should be able to lock Medium drones in under 10 seconds, at which point they won't have started hitting you quite yet. It would take you longer to swap out for the FoF's and they won't do as much damage and have a nasty habit of switching drones every couple of volleys.
With a decent range-to-target it should be possible to focus your missile fire and take down a drone or two pretty quickly. If your targed decides to pull the drones back, all the better since a target jam at that point renders them useless until they regain a lock.
I think the trick for you will be to get the lock on the drones quickly and set into them with your best missiles. One way or another they'll stop shooting at you. Either a) the drone pilot calls them back, b) you pop 'em or c) life sucks warp out. I would personally be surprised as hell if I ever killed a Rook at-range with my drones. |
Liang Nuren |
Posted - 2007.10.30 22:52:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Vitrael
Originally by: Diehard Si
Not actually tried it out, but wouldn't ECM burst be good for this?
As long as your not going to affect your gang mates who might be close to you.
You can't break a drone's lock.
was that tested extensively?
I've never been able to break a drone's lock with ECM burst... I can try again now that I have "uber" ECM skills. Liang |
Leya Marcsson |
Posted - 2007.10.31 03:56:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Natalie Jax
I think the trick for you will be to get the lock on the drones quickly and set into them with your best missiles.
Thx for advice, sounds reasonable too. Tho I need to raise that advanced targeting skill to make use of it - but I want to do that anyway :D Btw: The Gang dont like a anti-drone role :S They say its better to put all dmg at the drone ship to end the mess earlier, and they say I should't mimic a chicken - trigger happy eggs they are  Anyway if I'll ever lost my rook against drones I'll put that on the table again! |
Stuart Price
Caldari
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island |
Posted - 2007.10.31 04:15:00 - [ 23]
Force someone to sit near you in a properly setup Harpy. You now have almost complete immunity from drones and interceptors. |
N Ano
Caldari
Templars of Space |
Posted - 2007.10.31 13:31:00 - [ 24]
drones + smartbombs= dead drones YAY |
Dark Voynix
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
|
Posted - 2007.10.31 14:28:00 - [ 25]
|
Odium47 |
Posted - 2007.10.31 18:29:00 - [ 26]
Use the damn smartbombs...is what they are for: drones!
LOL...drone against other drones...Your adversary can do the same thing, you know?! Is like playing brood and attacking dragoons with zerlings...for god sake, whats wrong with you people? |
Acoco Osiris
Gallente |
Posted - 2007.10.31 21:25:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Odium47
Use the damn smartbombs...is what they are for: drones!
LOL...drone against other drones...Your adversary can do the same thing, you know?! Is like playing brood and attacking dragoons with zerlings...for god sake, whats wrong with you people?
Takes a helluva lot of smartbomb to pop a drone in one shot, and any sane player will recall his drones if they're partly hit. |
All Channels
Ships and Modules
