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Cikulisuy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:13:00 - [1] well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant
Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:15:00 - [2] fitted right, amarr ships are stronger
General Apocalypse Amarr Ship Research	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:16:00 - [3] Our ships can't even suck anymore cuz nos got nerfed so our ships are USELESS .
Vitaki Rens 911	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:19:00 - [4] Abaddon is one of the best ships in the game. It's big limiter is cap, so it sucks big for mission running. Geddon is your best bet there, with Dual heavy pulse. It will do the same damage as the Abaddon because of the larger drone bay. In pvp the best setup seems to be a gigantic passive tank and a heatsink or two.
Heartcarver Goat Gangbangers	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:21:00 - [5] Abba is awesome for missions. 7 Mega Beams 1 Tracking comp, 1 sensor booster, 2 cap rechargers 2's 1 Lar II, couple of hardners or EAN II if ur lazy (and know missions so u dont die) 2 Heat sink 2 rest is CPR II with 3 ccc rigs You can perma run everything Use T2 drones for frigs Stop whining
General Apocalypse Amarr Ship Research	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Heartcarver Abba is awesome for missions. 7 Mega Beams 1 Tracking comp, 1 sensor booster, 2 cap rechargers 2's 1 Lar II, couple of hardners or EAN II if ur lazy (and know missions so u dont die) 2 Heat sink 2 rest is CPR II with 3 ccc rigs You can perma run everything Use T2 drones for frigs Stop whining /me/ slaps Heartcarver so hard tat the hood falls off . We're talking pvp here young one , go back to missions . You guns are shiny , they don't have blood on them .
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Perry fitted right, amarr ships are stronger Than what? Belt rats?
Deathnail	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:30:00 - [8] Really, I don't know what to do with my amarr start up character. Was going to go solo Curse/Pilgrim setup. 3 Days before I hit cruiser 5 they announced the Nos Nerf. I want to PvP with him so I am thinking Sacrilege. But overall, I really doubt you will see anyone starting an Amarr character for PvP these days.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Vitaki Abaddon is one of the best Amarr ships in the game. Fixed.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.10.18 18:49:00 - [10] I'm Gallente/Amarr specced... yet I still find myself flying Amarr ships more often. That said, I only fly a FEW of them. Most of them do suck fat hairy balls. However I don't see what's wrong with Abaddon. I love the ship. Pulse+plates for pvp station hugging goodness - it also blazes through lvl4s. Curse, Sac, and Abso are also great for pvp. The others... ehhh no.
Heartcarver Goat Gangbangers	Posted - 2007.10.18 19:23:00 - [11] Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Heartcarver Abba is awesome for missions. 7 Mega Beams 1 Tracking comp, 1 sensor booster, 2 cap rechargers 2's 1 Lar II, couple of hardners or EAN II if ur lazy (and know missions so u dont die) 2 Heat sink 2 rest is CPR II with 3 ccc rigs You can perma run everything Use T2 drones for frigs Stop whining /me/ slaps Heartcarver so hard tat the hood falls off . We're talking pvp here young one , go back to missions . You guns are shiny , they don't have blood on them . /me slaps you back till your char grows hair ^^ Amarr are fine in pvp too ;p
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.10.18 19:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Heartcarver Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Heartcarver Abba is awesome for missions. 7 Mega Beams 1 Tracking comp, 1 sensor booster, 2 cap rechargers 2's 1 Lar II, couple of hardners or EAN II if ur lazy (and know missions so u dont die) 2 Heat sink 2 rest is CPR II with 3 ccc rigs You can perma run everything Use T2 drones for frigs Stop whining /me/ slaps Heartcarver so hard tat the hood falls off . We're talking pvp here young one , go back to missions . You guns are shiny , they don't have blood on them . /me slaps you back till your char grows hair ^^ Amarr are fine in pvp too ;p More than 3.6 million ships active in EVE. Amount of Caldari spaceships flying in space: 1.2 million Gallente: 1 million Minmatar: 670 thousand Amarr: 635 thousand Source: Dev blog. Oh yeah im sure amarr is just fine...
Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 19:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer More than 3.6 million ships active in EVE. Amount of Caldari Carebears flying in space: 1.2 million Gallente Nobrainers: 1 million Minmatar Vagabond Pilots: 670 thousand Amarr skilled Pros: 635 thousand Source: Crystall Ball. Oh yeah im sure amarr is almost just fine... fixed
Akashyi Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.18 19:35:00 - [14] stop whining, i flew amarr for like 2 years and didnt even think theyre op then theres all these posts literally probobly 100 of them about how bad amarr are. (and a solution to your thread: accept the fact dual injectors are the only way for this ship or get a geddon. kk)
Sarah Benthwell White Knights of New Eden Ignition.	Posted - 2007.10.18 19:36:00 - [15] AMARR ARE FINE FFS. STOP WHINING YOU KEEP GETTING THEM BOOSTED. Im seriously tempted to cross train to amarr.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.18 19:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant 8x Mega Pulse II MWD II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Heavy Capacitor Booster II 3x Heat Sink II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate EANM II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Trimark Armor Pump I Does 1126 DPS. Pretty good compared to a Blasterthron's 1250, and you can switch crystals to get massive range that the blasterthron can't.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Perry Originally by: Lyria Skydancer More than 3.6 million ships active in EVE. Amount of Caldari Carebears flying in space: 1.2 million Gallente Nobrainers: 1 million Minmatar Vagabond Pilots: 670 thousand Amarr skilled Pros: 635 thousand Source: Crystall Ball. Oh yeah im sure amarr is almost just fine... fixed Lol, no seriously ill link the source: here but the other edits were funny
General Apocalypse Amarr Ship Research	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:19:00 - [18] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 18/10/2007 20:20:40 Originally by: Sarah Benthwell AMARR ARE FINE FFS. STOP WHINING YOU KEEP GETTING THEM BOOSTED. Im seriously tempted to cross train to amarr. The idiot is strong in this one Originally by: Heartcarver /me slaps you back till your char grows hair ^^ Amarr are fine in pvp too ;p Would you pls duel my mega whit your abaddon pls ?
Compendium	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:20:00 - [19] That's an impressive increase in faction use for Caldari mission runners.
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant 8x Mega Pulse II MWD II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Heavy Capacitor Booster II 3x Heat Sink II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate EANM II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Trimark Armor Pump I Does 1126 DPS. Pretty good compared to a Blasterthron's 1250, and you can switch crystals to get massive range that the blasterthron can't. Lets run those numbers thru the omni tank (80/60/60/60) filter shall we? Abaddon = 340 dPS Megatrh = 504 DPS Why not include capuse in that figuring?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:51:00 - [21] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant 8x Mega Pulse II MWD II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Heavy Capacitor Booster II 3x Heat Sink II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate EANM II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Trimark Armor Pump I Does 1126 DPS. Pretty good compared to a Blasterthron's 1250, and you can switch crystals to get massive range that the blasterthron can't. Lets run those numbers thru the omni tank (80/60/60/60) filter shall we? Abaddon = 340 dPS Megatrh = 504 DPS Why not include capuse in that figuring? Exactly, lets not forget the dmg type. gg pwnd!
joydivision Tanith First and Only	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:53:00 - [22] Your Abaddon doesn't suck, you do.
Proto Tron Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:55:00 - [23] As this seems to be a PVP thread, here is a question about Abaddon's low slots, is it better to have: 1.a passive omi resist tank with EA (nano, therm,kin, exp), DC and topped with HS(s) or 2. same as above but with LAR instead of HS or 3. 2 1600 plates, DC, EA nano, and more HS(s) Under what conditions would you pick either?
madaluap Gallente Anthrax Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:57:00 - [24] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant 8x Mega Pulse II MWD II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Heavy Capacitor Booster II 3x Heat Sink II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate EANM II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Trimark Armor Pump I Does 1126 DPS. Pretty good compared to a Blasterthron's 1250, and you can switch crystals to get massive range that the blasterthron can't. Lets run those numbers thru the omni tank (80/60/60/60) filter shall we? Abaddon = 340 dPS Megatrh = 504 DPS Why not include capuse in that figuring? Why would anyone tank EM that hard now that amarr is this rare? I personally go 3* hardener + DCU II. No point tanking EM that hard.
Fenren Minmatar Bure Astro Photography	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:57:00 - [25] Edited by: Fenren on 18/10/2007 20:58:44 Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant 8x Mega Pulse II MWD II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Heavy Capacitor Booster II 3x Heat Sink II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate EANM II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Trimark Armor Pump I Does 1126 DPS. Pretty good compared to a Blasterthron's 1250, and you can switch crystals to get massive range that the blasterthron can't. Lets run those numbers thru the omni tank (80/60/60/60) filter shall we? Abaddon = 340 dPS Megatrh = 504 DPS Why not include capuse in that figuring? include range in that too short range guns doesnt normally function so well outside webb range.... webb the Mega at 8 km and see who does the most damage. raw dps isnt all. edit: I would go with option 3, proto
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.18 21:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Fenren Edited by: Fenren on 18/10/2007 20:58:44 Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant 8x Mega Pulse II MWD II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Heavy Capacitor Booster II 3x Heat Sink II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate EANM II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Trimark Armor Pump I Does 1126 DPS. Pretty good compared to a Blasterthron's 1250, and you can switch crystals to get massive range that the blasterthron can't. Lets run those numbers thru the omni tank (80/60/60/60) filter shall we? Abaddon = 340 dPS Megatrh = 504 DPS Why not include capuse in that figuring? include range in that too short range guns doesnt normally function so well outside webb range.... webb the Mega at 8 km and see who does the most damage. raw dps isnt all. edit: I would go with option 3, proto Blasters outdamage pulses out to 14km fyi. @ 8 km the mega will still close on the abaddon, then start orbiting and the abaddons DPS will equal 0, won't matter by then because the abaddon willl be capped out. Above 14km the mega can either close (and moment will carry him thru webber range) or run away. Basically the abaddon is helpless. Midrange is an unenforceable and unattainable advantage for amarr and caldari ships.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.10.18 21:08:00 - [27] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Fenren Edited by: Fenren on 18/10/2007 20:58:44 Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant 8x Mega Pulse II MWD II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Heavy Capacitor Booster II 3x Heat Sink II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate EANM II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Trimark Armor Pump I Does 1126 DPS. Pretty good compared to a Blasterthron's 1250, and you can switch crystals to get massive range that the blasterthron can't. Lets run those numbers thru the omni tank (80/60/60/60) filter shall we? Abaddon = 340 dPS Megatrh = 504 DPS Why not include capuse in that figuring? include range in that too short range guns doesnt normally function so well outside webb range.... webb the Mega at 8 km and see who does the most damage. raw dps isnt all. edit: I would go with option 3, proto Blasters outdamage pulses out to 14km fyi. @ 8 km the mega will still close on the abaddon, then start orbiting and the abaddons DPS will equal 0, won't matter by then because the abaddon willl be capped out. Above 14km the mega can either close (and moment will carry him thru webber range) or run away. Basically the abaddon is helpless. Midrange is an unenforceable and unattainable advantage for amarr and caldari ships. I like the way you throw back worthless arguments of your opponents back in their faces like that. :-p
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.18 21:09:00 - [28] Edited by: shinsushi on 18/10/2007 21:11:14 Originally by: madaluap Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant 8x Mega Pulse II MWD II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Heavy Capacitor Booster II 3x Heat Sink II 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate EANM II Internal Force Field Array I 3x Trimark Armor Pump I Does 1126 DPS. Pretty good compared to a Blasterthron's 1250, and you can switch crystals to get massive range that the blasterthron can't. Lets run those numbers thru the omni tank (80/60/60/60) filter shall we? Abaddon = 340 dPS Megatrh = 504 DPS Why not include capuse in that figuring? Why would anyone tank EM that hard now that amarr is this rare? I personally go 3* hardener + DCU II. No point tanking EM that hard. because your setup takes 4 slots, mine takes three. On a mega, your setup has 66/75/72/65 using 128 CPU and 4.2 cap/sec Mine has 80/68/68/55 using 102 CPU and less than 1 cap per sec and one more slot. I can throw on a 1600mm plate for 78k hp (effective), yours will have 64k effective HP. Same amount of slots.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2007.10.18 21:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Cikulisuy well im an abaddon pilot, and the only way i can actually maintain cap is to fit 3 CCCs and a whole bunch of cap recharger IIs, (i use pulses because of the ridiculous PG requirements on beams) i cant put a webber or scrammer on because then i cap out in the middle of a fight and die. and i still eventually run out of cap! i use dual injectors sometimes, but you can still run out of charges, and the minmatar bastard is running a dual rep tank with no probs, and he can actually fit ewar /end frustrated rant User error.
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.18 21:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Fenren Edited by: Fenren on 18/10/2007 20:58:44 Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Xequecal Edited by: Xequecal on 18/10/2007 19:38:05 Originally by: Cikulisuy rabble rabble rabble pwnage!! backpedaling lolerskates follow-up I like the way you throw back worthless arguments of your opponents back in their faces like that. :-p I do what I can.

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