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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2007.10.19 07:49:00 - [ 121]
Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/10/2007 07:50:10 Originally by: Malcanis
1. Isk farmers are bad people
Don't care. Too bad.
That doesn't even make sense? Are you saying that isk farmers are bad people and you don't care? Are you saying they aren't bad people and you don't care? Or are you saying you don't care either way? Quote:
2. Isk farmers have some sort of "choice" when it comes to their work
Don't care even if I believed this, which I don't.
Spoken like a true American who understands that everyone, even when living in a country with third world levels of poverty, has a "choice" about where they work. In fact, I am very sure that were you faced with the prospect of working at farming game currency and breaking the rules of some rich guys game and making enough to feed your family, or working in a field and not making enough to feed your family, you'd choose the later. Because of the principle of course!  Quote:
3. That isk farming is something that can be stopped (its not)
Not being able to completely eradicate something is no reason not to try to reduce it as much as possible.
I never suggested that you shouldn't try. Good luck though. For every billion isk in damage you cause an isk farmer, he's probably made 20 billion. Quote:
4. That isk purchasers have no reason other than to cheat and "get ahead" of the rest of us
Purchasing ISK doesn't require cheating as a reason; it is cheating. No doubt some athletes that take steroids etc don't "think" doing so is cheating either. As far as EvE goes, I'd be happy for anyone caught buying ISK to not just lose the ISk but also their account. That's right: not just the character, but every character on the account. A few well-publicised losses of people losing tens of millions of skillpoints for CHEATING would do more to stop ISK-farming and macroing than any number of "omg nerf cloaking ravens" threads.
Well then I say people with more than one account are using real life money to get ahead. Limit one account per customer. Wait, CCP would lose tons of money. No fcking way that happens. Just like if you took SP away from the 20 to 22 thousand eve players who purchase isk regularly, they'd quite playing, and CCP would lose money. No fcking way that will happen, bud, sorry. Quote:
5. That isk/currency purchasers represent a "tiny" minority of players
Again, I don't care how many there are. One is too many, and the plain fact is that there's a hell of a lot more than one. I don't even care if it's 10%. TQ lags a lot these days: that 10% probably accounts for a hell of a lot more than their share of the server load. Kick 'em. They can play fair or FO. Meanwhile EvE is growing and they will be replaced soon enough.
Check my link, bud. There is real empirical research on this. Its 22% of MMO players who purchase isk regularly. This is skewed to towards older players, and since eve is generally filled with older players, the number on TQ is probably around 28k players making regular (every two months or so)currency purchases. If we include irregular purchases, this number will sky rocket. Now lets pretend that your idea goes into effect and half of those people are caught, have their SP reduced, and quite eve. That's 14 thousand accounts gone. At $14.95 a month per account thats $209,300 per month in lost revenue for CCP or around 2.5 million dollars a year. Do you think CCP would risk that? Don't think so, bud. -Karl |
azrael2 |
Posted - 2007.10.19 08:18:00 - [ 122]
You lack a basic understanding of economics. Buyers creates markets, not sellers.....So you wanted dvd and so big companies started inventing them so they could sell em to you.  I believe markets are created these days... Needs are created, especially artificial needs as 'buying isk'. Unfortunately for those people that make a living out of it. But if you cut out the farmers there would be a lot less selling. People will always try to cheat in games. |
Saint Luka
Altruism.
Darkness Rising Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.19 09:06:00 - [ 123]
Originally by: azrael2
You lack a basic understanding of economics. Buyers creates markets, not sellers.....
So you wanted dvd and so big companies started inventing them so they could sell em to you.
I believe markets are created these days... Needs are created, especially artificial needs as 'buying isk'. Unfortunately for those people that make a living out of it. But if you cut out the farmers there would be a lot less selling. People will always try to cheat in games.
Oh dear, someone with a bit of logic praise the lord! It is human nature for people too want the edge in activities with minimal effort involved. I heard the arguement once on a an english man saying that buying ISK is a reasonable solution too people who do not have enough time to play the game. So they buy isk so they just PVP when they do. So, yes, there is a market and AT THIS POINT IN TIME it is buyer driven, however. This market would NOT exist if it was NOT created by these f$cking isk sellers. So, give them your bleeding heart for there sh$t econemy for alls they is doing is destroying ours. My personal strong opinion on these "people" ? Greif them untill they get fired/quit. |
Strife Phoenix
Blade Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.19 09:28:00 - [ 124]
Originally by: Karlemgne
If you disagree with my opinion on isk farmers, then you are a EULA violater.
Exactly what kind of response do you expect from that?
Jumping to conclusions  Please visit your user settings to re-enable images., good for you. If you read it again you might notice that I asked why people defended them and even though I added a bit of "heat" with the next question I have still to get an answer for the first. Originally by: Karlemgne
My response to you was sarcastic, I was trying to point out the silliness of the thought that someone's opinions indicated anything about how they live their lives, or play eve-online.
Of course they do. You may not be able to get the full picture but you sure can get some information or at least good clues to that from peoples opinions and actions. It may not be a perfect science but there are some good examples that behaviour analysis or "profiling" works. Originally by: Karlemgne
Good for you. Some of us really do care, and act like it by defending the poor where we can. This does not make us people who buy isk, and why you'd even suggest it is baffling, tbh.
Again, I did never define the ISK sellers as poor in the first place so your assumptions about my "suggestions" is not that valid either. Originally by: Karlemgne
A pointless, unprovable comment that has no place here. An appeal to sympathy and legitimacy based on what you claim to do with your money.
I only threw it in since you claimed I "hated" people and "did not care" in the first place which is just about as pointless. Originally by: Karlemgne
Number one, your words previous to this speak louder than your attempted retort. You made it perfectly clear that whatever the position of those farming the isk as far as their real life were irrelevant, and anyone who did care enough to defend them here was obviously a "customer."
But that is just the point! We can't know if the ISK seller is a poor man working under conditions comparable to slavery in some asian underground sweatshop, some lazy dude working out of his mommys basement while lifting benefits or a wealthy woman that has everything and does this just to relax in her own way. I never said you were a customer, I asked for the reason why you defended them or rather their actions. Originally by: Karlemgne
So its your opinion that the isk farmers are cheating? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say the "customers" are cheating?
Semantics. The customers cheat with the help of the sellers. Simple as that. Originally by: Karlemgne
Speak for yourself. It all depends on how we define cheating, and I can assure you that there are plenty of people who excuse "cheating," and rule breaking, depending on the reason. There are many examples I'm sure you'd disagree with, but I'll give you one thats harder to ignore. The underground railroad. People broke the "law" to make sure that slaves were able to escape to their freedom in the United States. I do not dislike, at all, the people who did this.
There is a big difference between cheating in a game and breaking a law that was stupid in the first place to save other people. I don't really see how they are comparable. Originally by: Karlemgne
And we are back to it again are we. If I "favor" a cheater by explaining the reasons why isk farmers farm isk, and explaining why we shouldn't be hateful and dismiss them as people, I *must* be a cheater myself.
I have yet to see an explanation why they do it.. Just rants about how we should feel pity since they obviously suffer which we know nothing about. I have not dismissed them as people either and I never said you were a cheater as previously stated, I still just want an answer to why you defend their behaviour. And by the way. I'm not talking about ISK farmers at all. That is perfectly legal by all means. I'm talking about ISK sellers which is completely different.. |
Rutefly
Amarr
Freedom-Technologies
Sev3rance |
Posted - 2007.10.19 10:49:00 - [ 125]
All i can say is: "Dont spaek, F1, F2, F3, F4.."
Eve is t3h sandbox. And we can all drag it in whatever direction we please. No point wasting too much time trying to do the same on forums.
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Sarkkon |
Posted - 2007.10.19 11:16:00 - [ 126]
Originally by: Delia Draguta
Guys, you have no idea what it means to be poor...You have no idea how it is to not have where to work, and have other ppl work for less and less in your country, you have no idea how it is to actually work for minimal wage...
I really mean it that you guys need to try at least to survive in a country like China or hell, even Eastern Europe... Stop being such snobs, and try to get out of your imaginary worlds in EVE and understand these ppls' suffering, then post on the forums...
Get a freaking grip on reality. Sound like some whiny liberal that thinks suicide bombers should be treated with compassion. These are large corporate operations. Not some mom and pop outfit trying to feed starving children. |
Ms Nomer |
Posted - 2007.10.21 10:02:00 - [ 127]
Edited by: Ms Nomer on 21/10/2007 10:04:16 Originally by: azrael2
So you wanted dvd and so big companies started inventing them so they could sell em to you.
YES! people wanted a better format to watch films. A few formats were developed and DVD emerged the winner. Demand created the DVD because there are plenty of people who want better picture and sound quality. Originally by: Saint Luka
So, yes, there is a market and AT THIS POINT IN TIME it is buyer driven, however.
This market would NOT exist if it was NOT created by these f$cking isk sellers. So, give them your bleeding heart for there sh$t econemy for alls they is doing is destroying ours.
The market has always been buyer driven. There was no point in time where sellers pointed a gun at someone's head and forced the purchase of in-game currency. Buyers started it and buyers can end it. No one will ever cause ISK/Gold/whatever farmers to stop by calling them bad or blowing up there retrievers -- only buy not buying can it stop. why not channel your intense hatred towards those who are responsible? You even said the market is buyer driven NOW. So even if I believed your talk of sellers creating markets from nothing, you are admittedly hating the wrong people. not that i condone hating someone because of videogame stuff though... |
Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord |
Posted - 2007.10.21 10:40:00 - [ 128]
Edited by: Dionisius on 21/10/2007 10:40:20A long time ago i said.. oh poor people, they play as a job and are poor and all that stuff... scratch that and kill'em all, every last one of those isk farmers, shoot them until they fly nothing more than an ibis. These guys are ruining the game, ruining part of the economic system of eve... and i just hate to see 5 navy ravens undock with chars named yyyer3er3, osihjfosef, wperqwejr309, ekjroah and lets not forget tpgjwru2w39ru20w9u3r203ur , so kill'em all! Besides they drop good loot sometimes.  EDIT: And people that buy isk should be banned, damn cheaters.  |
Demon Bint |
Posted - 2007.10.21 10:43:00 - [ 129]
you can pay for the game with isk ! LOL |
Molah Sol |
Posted - 2007.10.22 00:38:00 - [ 130]
Originally by: Stuart Price
I don't give a flying damn if this is their 'only method' of income. It has no place in a game, end of. People's out-of-game lives are none of my business or concern.
Grief them as much as you can good sir.
And people with this attitude are basically whats wrong with the world in general. To the people stating that they should just go get a real job, i`m assuming you live in rich countries, and are oblivious to the fact that in many countries you are born poor, live poor, and die poor with no chance of ever going to school, becoming wealthy, or doing any of the other things that your spoiled existence affords you. |
Molah Sol |
Posted - 2007.10.22 00:45:00 - [ 131]
Originally by: Dionisius
Edited by: Dionisius on 21/10/2007 10:40:20
A long time ago i said.. oh poor people, they play as a job and are poor and all that stuff... scratch that and kill'em all, every last one of those isk farmers, shoot them until they fly nothing more than an ibis.
These guys are ruining the game, ruining part of the economic system of eve... and i just hate to see 5 navy ravens undock with chars named yyyer3er3, osihjfosef, wperqwejr309, ekjroah and lets not forget tpgjwru2w39ru20w9u3r203ur , so kill'em all!
Besides they drop good loot sometimes.
EDIT: And people that buy isk should be banned, damn cheaters.
And if you believe they are ruining the economy, why don't you hate CCP as well? And logically you would since they also sell isk inflating the economy, why do you pay a company you hate? My point being, quit please, after you give me your stuff of course. |
Roast Bifcurtains |
Posted - 2007.10.22 00:53:00 - [ 132]
How many OMG ISK FARMERS threads do there need to be? There's as many of these as "Am I a pirate now?" threads in C&P ffs. As long as there are rich people and poor people, poor people will do whatever it takes to try to be rich people. So there, you silly muppets. Buncha privileged jerks crying about how the poor are making your silly game smelly. |
MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.10.22 03:53:00 - [ 133]
Once I got one of those scumbags to join my corp. Then I hiked the tax up to 100%... Funny things happen with these guys when you do that. |
Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord |
Posted - 2007.10.22 17:20:00 - [ 134]
Originally by: Molah Sol
Originally by: Dionisius
Edited by: Dionisius on 21/10/2007 10:40:20
A long time ago i said.. oh poor people, they play as a job and are poor and all that stuff... scratch that and kill'em all, every last one of those isk farmers, shoot them until they fly nothing more than an ibis.
These guys are ruining the game, ruining part of the economic system of eve... and i just hate to see 5 navy ravens undock with chars named yyyer3er3, osihjfosef, wperqwejr309, ekjroah and lets not forget tpgjwru2w39ru20w9u3r203ur , so kill'em all!
Besides they drop good loot sometimes.
EDIT: And people that buy isk should be banned, damn cheaters.
And if you believe they are ruining the economy, why don't you hate CCP as well? And logically you would since they also sell isk inflating the economy, why do you pay a company you hate? My point being, quit please, after you give me your stuff of course.
Why should i hate CCP?They have given me no reason whatsoever to hate them. I don't care about the random GTC buyer they don't step into other peoples sales and literally **** other GTC salesman actions, regular players don't buy 10 CNR's at the time just to stay in 1 or 2 belts the whole day ratting or destroying the spawns for other people. And they provide the means for lazy players that are too inept and ******ed to think on ways to make isk trough exploring new features in the game, you don't need to rat the whole day, you can trade, make research, industry, alot of possibilities but no, they provide what isk buyers want, the supply to their lazyness. They spam the recruitment channels, they send boring evemails about isk selling websites full of spam and s**t. So shoot them all, every single one of them. Oh one more thing, post with your main, i'll be glad to send you my stuff, ammo first and in quantity. |
DeJan J |
Posted - 2007.10.23 22:53:00 - [ 135]
IMO this guy from 'china' is probably full of crap, but you will NEVER stop the ISK farming! It will just grow and grow, and eventualy it will be charged of tax, when leadears of your nooble and our poor countries (i come from eastern europe) will be able to realize the potencial of such acitivites.
But I still can't believe what some people here are saying. It's really sad. Especialy as their accounts (and living) are probably payed by their moms and dads and they come from countries that all is given to them on a golden plate.
I hope at least some of theese ignorant ****** will be shoot out of the sky by someone and if i'll be there I'll be lol and feeling good! |
Vodka Neat |
Posted - 2007.10.23 23:24:00 - [ 136]
Just reply that you get paid 1000 renminbis a day for killing them. Oh and don't forget the big strange ans the strange smally.
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Considered
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:53:00 - [ 137]
I agree that the income in their lifes could be small, but if they farm for isk in an open PVP game, I beleive they consented to that attack simply by playing a game where PVP is active all the time. |
LathanRiose Devers |
Posted - 2007.11.16 02:25:00 - [ 138]
Originally by: Saint Luka
Originally by: azrael2
You lack a basic understanding of economics. Buyers creates markets, not sellers.....
So you wanted dvd and so big companies started inventing them so they could sell em to you.
I believe markets are created these days... Needs are created, especially artificial needs as 'buying isk'. Unfortunately for those people that make a living out of it. But if you cut out the farmers there would be a lot less selling. People will always try to cheat in games.
Oh dear, someone with a bit of logic praise the lord!
It is human nature for people too want the edge in activities with minimal effort involved.
I heard the arguement once on a an english man saying that buying ISK is a reasonable solution too people who do not have enough time to play the game. So they buy isk so they just PVP when they do.
So, yes, there is a market and AT THIS POINT IN TIME it is buyer driven, however.
This market would NOT exist if it was NOT created by these f$cking isk sellers. So, give them your bleeding heart for there sh$t econemy for alls they is doing is destroying ours.
My personal strong opinion on these "people" ?
Greif them untill they get fired/quit.
This is the second post you've made demonstrating a crap understanding of economics. The sellers do not create the god damn market, buyers do. The sellers simply exploit the market the buyers create by being willing to buy isk for real money. If there were no buyers, there would be no sellers. Sellers cannot exist without people that want to buy isk. It's incredibly simple, get it into your head. To be honest, you sound like you want to push the blame from the people buying isk, to the people who are simply serving their needs. Its the other way round, people should be hunting isk buyers, without them the isk sellers/farmers will evaporate. I guess its much easier for you to blame a faceless unknown enemy that you assume lives in another country, rather than your fellow players. Other people aren't taking the easy route though, the harsh truth is its the players around you that are responsible for this. Blaming the wrong people won't change anything though, isk buying/selling only happens because people want to buy isk. You make it sound as if isk buyers are innocent victims that have befallen some amazing marketing scam, when in reality they know exactly what they are doing, and what it does to the game. Permanent bans for anyone caught buying isk would damage the isk buying market a lot. CCP probably won't do this though, they'll lose to much money. Thats fair enough though, it's their game and they're entitled to run it how they see fit, eve is not a service contrary to what some people seem to think, it's entertainment, and a business. |
Kryton Bitterstar |
Posted - 2007.11.16 06:08:00 - [ 139]
no sympathy for isk/gold/currency farmers at all. imo, they are just a free kill. it is a game after all. the miner should get smart and find another belt. |
Arandathalion Kraerre |
Posted - 2007.11.16 06:52:00 - [ 140]
ISK seller = satisfying kill.
That's what's important.
My two cents/words on the argument that the ISK sellers may be toeing the line between starvation and life by working in Eve?
"Population control." |
Malarki X
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2007.11.16 12:44:00 - [ 141]
Hehe ...
Those stoopid third world Chinese people ...
With theire 12 year old children working in Nike, Levis ...etc. factories for barely enough money to buy food. And theire idiotic way of getting jobs in game farming companies that sell game currency for IRL cash - GET A LIFE LOOSERS ! How hard can it be to get a job in multio bilion populated country ? Besides its not like those kids work in inhumane conditions - they have air dont they ?!?
Oh and lets not forget that China has bigest world income increas - ofcourse that means that maybe 5% of population will get water in next 10 years. How dumb are they ?!? Theire ecenomy is flurishing, in next 20 or so years they might even come on par with west. Or not ...
Oh and yeah - they are starving, LOL. Go to McDonalds fools. LOL. How dumb are they if they cant simply come to a counter and for a few bucks buy a meal.
So yeah - we should make theire life miserable. Im sure they farm for ISK just to destroy economy in a game, those bastards. Its not like they dont have a choice, due to poor education system and goverment that just cant be bothered in times like these with those who are on low end of foof chain ... After all so many lucrative jobs to choose in China and third world coutries its a wonder they are not all rich snobs.
Naturaly they stay in buisness by selling ISK to - other poor Chinese people. Not to self rightchous two faced players that screan at ISK farmers while buying the same ISK 2 hours later ...Oh they got money allright - they just hiding it ! See how clever and devious they are. While we who enjoy apsolutley no benefits in life - like fact that my parents payed for my schooling and helped me get a job when I needed it - are the real victims hear ! Thats right, they are destroying our God given right to play online games and for what ?!? So they could EAT ! Those bastards - kill them all I say ! |
ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless. |
Posted - 2007.11.16 13:06:00 - [ 142]
As far as i can tell, the general thrust of this thread seems to be that griefing 'isk farmers' is fine whilst griefing 'normal players' is petitionable?
Surely profiting from the actions of somebody breaking the EULA (ie. repeatedly killing a macro-er for profit whilst never reporting it) is also breaking the EULA.
why don't you macro hunters go ahead and prove you're not just laundering this isk the farmers are churning out?
i've petitioned you all as isk seller alts, btw.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2007.11.16 13:15:00 - [ 143]
Originally by: Number 17
((
Originally by: Dan Geruss
I can understand that people in country's like China have troubles with there wages and are poor, but there are really other jobs too where you can earn money.
If you say this you trully understand NOTHING, of such countries. These people probably choose to play a game 12 hs a day to earn a little more than a dishwasher.
And remember its ppl with dollars and Euros just like you who buy the ISK and keep this black market going.
P.S. This guy is even offering you a deal and you only laugh at him, either you are stupid or are VERY desperate for an easy kill.
))
Quick googling reveals that 1000 of the Chinese currency is about 140 US dollars, and thats about average wage for someone living in a Chinese city. It is also, apparently, 3 times the income someone who lives in rural areas(most of the Chinese population) makes. So not an insignificant sum. Probably way more than a dishwasher makes in China. |
LathanRiose Devers |
Posted - 2007.11.16 13:26:00 - [ 144]
Originally by: Malarki X
Hehe ...
Those stoopid third world Chinese people ...
With theire 12 year old children working in Nike, Levis ...etc. factories for barely enough money to buy food. And theire idiotic way of getting jobs in game farming companies that sell game currency for IRL cash - GET A LIFE LOOSERS ! How hard can it be to get a job in multio bilion populated country ? Besides its not like those kids work in inhumane conditions - they have air dont they ?!?
Oh and lets not forget that China has bigest world income increas - ofcourse that means that maybe 5% of population will get water in next 10 years. How dumb are they ?!? Theire ecenomy is flurishing, in next 20 or so years they might even come on par with west. Or not ...
Oh and yeah - they are starving, LOL. Go to McDonalds fools. LOL. How dumb are they if they cant simply come to a counter and for a few bucks buy a meal.
So yeah - we should make theire life miserable. Im sure they farm for ISK just to destroy economy in a game, those bastards. Its not like they dont have a choice, due to poor education system and goverment that just cant be bothered in times like these with those who are on low end of foof chain ... After all so many lucrative jobs to choose in China and third world coutries its a wonder they are not all rich snobs.
Naturaly they stay in buisness by selling ISK to - other poor Chinese people. Not to self rightchous two faced players that screan at ISK farmers while buying the same ISK 2 hours later ...Oh they got money allright - they just hiding it ! See how clever and devious they are. While we who enjoy apsolutley no benefits in life - like fact that my parents payed for my schooling and helped me get a job when I needed it - are the real victims hear ! Thats right, they are destroying our God given right to play online games and for what ?!? So they could EAT ! Those bastards - kill them all I say !
Great post. I honestly think a lot of people will miss the sarcasm/irony though. |
ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless. |
Posted - 2007.11.16 14:05:00 - [ 145]
Edited by: ry ry on 16/11/2007 14:05:00 Originally by: Gamesguy
Quick googling reveals that 1000 of the Chinese currency is about 140 US dollars, and thats about average wage for someone living in a Chinese city.
It is also, apparently, 3 times the income someone who lives in rural areas(most of the Chinese population) makes.
So not an insignificant sum. Probably way more than a dishwasher makes in China.
people in rural areas tend to be more self sufficient, and less cash rich. just measuring income can be deceiving without any other information. you're also assuming that this... Originally by: "isk farmer"
We work for 12 hours everyday,
Income only contain more than 1000 renminbis, only enough two many lunar
lifeses consumes, saving very much still of.
..says they make $140 in what, a week? a month? a decade? personally i have no ****ing clue what it says. |
steejans nix
Amarr
Black Core Federation |
Posted - 2007.11.16 15:17:00 - [ 146]
Edited by: steejans nix on 16/11/2007 15:18:20
Edited by: steejans nix on 16/11/2007 15:17:53
So not an insignificant sum. Probably way more than a dishwasher makes in China.
If they so poor why are they buying dishwashers?
be better to wash dishes by hand and buy essentials like food, drink or cig's ?
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Vodka Neat |
Posted - 2007.11.16 16:09:00 - [ 147]
All these arguments about how they are poor so it is somehow alright to break the rules have changed my mind. I agree they should do whatever they need to make money. Lets ban together to have the laws changed so they can sell isk! Hell why stop there they aren't making enough that way, let them sell drugs to little kids (it will be okay because they are real poor and the kids want the drugs and have money). [/sarcasm off] |
Arandathalion Kraerre |
Posted - 2007.11.16 19:37:00 - [ 148]
Originally by: ry ry
As far as i can tell, the general thrust of this thread seems to be that griefing 'isk farmers' is fine whilst griefing 'normal players' is petitionable?
Surely profiting from the actions of somebody breaking the EULA (ie. repeatedly killing a macro-er for profit whilst never reporting it) is also breaking the EULA.
why don't you macro hunters go ahead and prove you're not just laundering this isk the farmers are churning out?
i've petitioned you all as isk seller alts, btw.
I'm fine with griefing real players. No problems there. Also, empty threat. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.11.16 20:11:00 - [ 149]
Originally by: Karlemgne
Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/10/2007 07:50:10
Originally by: Malcanis
1. Isk farmers are bad people
Don't care. Too bad.
That doesn't even make sense? Are you saying that isk farmers are bad people and you don't care? Are you saying they aren't bad people and you don't care? Or are you saying you don't care either way?
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2. Isk farmers have some sort of "choice" when it comes to their work
Don't care even if I believed this, which I don't.
Spoken like a true American who understands that everyone, even when living in a country with third world levels of poverty, has a "choice" about where they work.
In fact, I am very sure that were you faced with the prospect of working at farming game currency and breaking the rules of some rich guys game and making enough to feed your family, or working in a field and not making enough to feed your family, you'd choose the later.
Because of the principle of course!
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3. That isk farming is something that can be stopped (its not)
Not being able to completely eradicate something is no reason not to try to reduce it as much as possible.
I never suggested that you shouldn't try.
Good luck though. For every billion isk in damage you cause an isk farmer, he's probably made 20 billion.
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4. That isk purchasers have no reason other than to cheat and "get ahead" of the rest of us
Purchasing ISK doesn't require cheating as a reason; it is cheating. No doubt some athletes that take steroids etc don't "think" doing so is cheating either. As far as EvE goes, I'd be happy for anyone caught buying ISK to not just lose the ISk but also their account. That's right: not just the character, but every character on the account. A few well-publicised losses of people losing tens of millions of skillpoints for CHEATING would do more to stop ISK-farming and macroing than any number of "omg nerf cloaking ravens" threads.
Well then I say people with more than one account are using real life money to get ahead. Limit one account per customer. Wait, CCP would lose tons of money. No fcking way that happens. Just like if you took SP away from the 20 to 22 thousand eve players who purchase isk regularly, they'd quite playing, and CCP would lose money. No fcking way that will happen, bud, sorry.
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5. That isk/currency purchasers represent a "tiny" minority of players
Again, I don't care how many there are. One is too many, and the plain fact is that there's a hell of a lot more than one. I don't even care if it's 10%. TQ lags a lot these days: that 10% probably accounts for a hell of a lot more than their share of the server load. Kick 'em. They can play fair or FO. Meanwhile EvE is growing and they will be replaced soon enough.
Check my link, bud. There is real empirical research on this. Its 22% of MMO players who purchase isk regularly. This is skewed to towards older players, and since eve is generally filled with older players, the number on TQ is probably around 28k players making regular (every two months or so)currency purchases. If we include irregular purchases, this number will sky rocket.
Now lets pretend that your idea goes into effect and half of those people are caught, have their SP reduced, and quite eve. That's 14 thousand accounts gone. At $14.95 a month per account thats $209,300 per month in lost revenue for CCP or around 2.5 million dollars a year. Do you think CCP would risk that? Don't think so, bud.
-Karl
FYI: I've never been to America in my life. BTW your pageload of unsupported assumptions merits no response. |
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Posted - 2007.11.16 20:18:00 - [ 150]
Originally by: ry ry
As far as i can tell, the general thrust of this thread seems to be that griefing 'isk farmers' is fine whilst griefing 'normal players' is petitionable?
Surely profiting from the actions of somebody breaking the EULA (ie. repeatedly killing a macro-er for profit whilst never reporting it) is also breaking the EULA.
why don't you macro hunters go ahead and prove you're not just laundering this isk the farmers are churning out?
i've petitioned you all as isk seller alts, btw.
You're pretty consistent when it comes to attacking people who don't like ISK selling and macroers, I notice. |
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