| Author |
Topic |
Blazde
Minmatar
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2007.10.03 12:18:00 - [ 391]
Just wanted to echo KracKaTinny comments, from our side. It has been a very fun campaign. And that has nothing to do with the outcome, corp members will confirm I was raving about how much fun it was weeks ago. I was a bit gutted tbh to logon sunday and find everyone had finally surrendered. There's a lot wrong with pos warfare and always has been but I do think the recent sov mechanic changes have spiced things up a lot. There's much more to it now that just jumping a capital fleet into your enemy's station and grinding it out for a week. Firstly we were forced to rush our (abortive) attack on V7 due to impending sov-3. Secondly the cyno-jammers and pos gunners give a huge defensive advantage forcing you to attack with a massive numerical advantage that's more in line with real-life parallels. It's unfortunate the nodes can't handle the load but hopefully that will improve. I cursed the jammer everytime it got in our way but together with jump bridges it's an excellent way of giving a defensive advantage (and forcing interesting cap vs non-cap battles) and I will learn to love it next time Tribute is invaded. In hindsight, after we worked through the difficulties, I don't think it needs weakening at all. Getting the numerical advantage forced us to think outside the box and focus on the psychological aspect a bit more, attacking soft targets as well as disrupting supply lines, to break morale and reduce hostile numbers (ours did not increase, the peak for both sides was the evenly numbered 750-man battle in BKG some weeks ago when the node crashed). Imo we'd barely begun to explore the possibilities but I am confident future wars will see a lot more of it. And we had perhaps (?) the first proper seige of a non-station system in HB7. That fact alone is a thumbs-up for the sov changes. Props to our adversaries, we had to switch up our game a few times to beat you and that kind of challenge is a lot of fun. As a member of RAWR I like to see our enemies crash and burn horribly but as a player it's especially sad to now see FATAL imploding. You guys gave us some good fights going back to our Fountain campaign and showed a real hardcore determination in defending Branch. I'll never forget the only time I ventured solo into the FATAL constellation at 4am, got camped, logged off, cooked a curry, ate it, logged back on and made a run for the gate only to find twice as many waiting patiently for me on the other side. Ouch  |
Sebo Darrens
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.03 13:01:00 - [ 392]
 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Look at what is going on in that joke of an alliance at the moment and anybody with eyes can see that apart from a few individuals it has self-destructed because of greedy ppl in FATAL REV and a alliance leader who stepped down but tried to micro manage the guy who took over and undermined his every move with his inner circle of alliance isk makers and puppets.
Bean, I know you like to puff yourself up on the public forums and take a **** but this time you've gone too far. You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're relaying 3rd hand information you've gotten from one perspective as usual without any thought or rationale involved. We get it, you're bitter about something. But you don't know what you're talking about, so walk away and shut up. |
sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2007.10.03 13:11:00 - [ 393]
Originally by: Sebo Darrens
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Look at what is going on in that joke of an alliance at the moment and anybody with eyes can see that apart from a few individuals it has self-destructed because of greedy ppl in FATAL REV and a alliance leader who stepped down but tried to micro manage the guy who took over and undermined his every move with his inner circle of alliance isk makers and puppets.
Bean, I know you like to puff yourself up on the public forums and take a **** but this time you've gone too far. You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're relaying 3rd hand information you've gotten from one perspective as usual without any thought or rationale involved.
We get it, you're bitter about something. But you don't know what you're talking about, so walk away and shut up.
Actualy my info comes from the fatal alliance forums lol you realy should remove the access of ppl who have left including all my alts. |
Marlon Shakespeare
Gallente
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.10.03 13:41:00 - [ 394]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Actualy my info comes from the fatal alliance forums lol you realy should remove the access of ppl who have left including all my alts.
Good God Man, go and create your own narcissistic whiny thread where you can be ridiculed at will away from the rest of us. I don't think anyone cared that you had access to FATAL forums when you were in FATAL, and I doubt very much whether they care now either. Your continued ranting is doing nothing for your personal reputation or that of your corp [which is a shame since there are great bunch of guys in TJORG]. Swallow that bitter pill and move on. |
HarrytheDog
Minmatar
Chosen Path
FATAL Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.03 13:55:00 - [ 395]
Gentlemen, some clarification needed here; ol' GreenBean seems to be trying to convince everyone that he left Fatal because of a disagreement with the Alliance leadership over tactics; in reality he left like a sulky teenager because he got slapped-down in public over his forum posting. A quick perusal of the last few pages, noting particularly his name-calling and self-agrandisement will give you an idea of why he was asked to stop. The bitter and aggressive tone of all his posts should be a strong pointer to those who might see my assertion as biased - who the hell gets that steamed up if the only reason for leaving was a disagreement on tactics? Tbh, I know that I speak for all my Corp and lots of other Fatal members when I say we were glad to see the back of him. I had the misfortune of flying in a couple of ops with him in charge, and quite frankly he sucked large chocolate salty balls; he did teach me everything he knew about FC-ing but that only took 5 minutes. And once he'd decided to leave and sold/moved his assets, he was back in our systems shooting (at) his old mates with Tri, which shows you the character of the bloke. He's an egotistical, misanthroptic, loud-mouthed tit and should be avoided like the plague. Nothing personal beany old fruit  |
Asuo
Caldari
Maelstrom Crew
|
Posted - 2007.10.03 15:06:00 - [ 396]
Originally by: HarrytheDog
Gentlemen, some clarification needed here; ol' GreenBean seems to be trying to convince everyone that he left Fatal because of a disagreement with the Alliance leadership over tactics; in reality he left like a sulky teenager because he got slapped-down in public over his forum posting. A quick perusal of the last few pages, noting particularly his name-calling and self-agrandisement will give you an idea of why he was asked to stop. The bitter and aggressive tone of all his posts should be a strong pointer to those who might see my assertion as biased - who the hell gets that steamed up if the only reason for leaving was a disagreement on tactics?
Tbh, I know that I speak for all my Corp and lots of other Fatal members when I say we were glad to see the back of him.
I had the misfortune of flying in a couple of ops with him in charge, and quite frankly he sucked large chocolate salty balls; he did teach me everything he knew about FC-ing but that only took 5 minutes. And once he'd decided to leave and sold/moved his assets, he was back in our systems shooting (at) his old mates with Tri, which shows you the character of the bloke.
He's an egotistical, misanthroptic, loud-mouthed tit and should be avoided like the plague.
Nothing personal beany old fruit
I thought it was cos he was a gobby sod who kept trying to steal all the lime light from the people who did the actual work. |
Cvuos
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.10.03 15:26:00 - [ 397]
Can I get a confirm/deny on the same leadership that left LV members high&dry and ripped off their assets have done the same thing yet again? |
Fleg Dorchit
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.10.03 15:36:00 - [ 398]
Originally by: Cvuos
Can I get a confirm/deny on the same leadership that left LV members high&dry and ripped off their assets have done the same thing yet again?
That would be a deny, as Fatal Revelations left LV the night LV unveiled their Titan. lose. |
Fleg Dorchit
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.10.03 15:37:00 - [ 399]
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Sebo Darrens
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:05:00 - [ 400]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Sebo Darrens
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Look at what is going on in that joke of an alliance at the moment and anybody with eyes can see that apart from a few individuals it has self-destructed because of greedy ppl in FATAL REV and a alliance leader who stepped down but tried to micro manage the guy who took over and undermined his every move with his inner circle of alliance isk makers and puppets.
Bean, I know you like to puff yourself up on the public forums and take a **** but this time you've gone too far. You really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're relaying 3rd hand information you've gotten from one perspective as usual without any thought or rationale involved.
We get it, you're bitter about something. But you don't know what you're talking about, so walk away and shut up.
Actualy my info comes from the fatal alliance forums lol you realy should remove the access of ppl who have left including all my alts.
Great, you have access. Gunship has been on very rarely in the last month, so there's no way he could try to micromanage anything.. "greedy ppl in FATAL REV" has nothing to do with the alliance self-destructing, it was a decision made. Stupid accusations about fatal rev not handing over POS as a cause of conflict, they're unfounded. You've obviously been listening to prom whine, because thats how it all started. UKC lost 3 freighters, and Prom trying to stand up and be an alliance leader turned to alliance chat and said it was fatal rev's fault. It wasn't. Fatal Rev. pulled out with their own assets in disgust after a peace treaty was reached, there was no theft, there was no underhandedness. I believe, if you look, there is still a POS of ours in D4R, which I'm not in charge of but I assume is a part of that peace agreement.. So.. you may have forum access, but none of what you say exists on the forum and is obviously idle speculation, so please stop. |
Sebo Darrens
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:08:00 - [ 401]
Also, as to bean's personal character..
He wasn't a bad FC as far as I remember, but he is definitely a loud-mouthed tit - but I think he would agree with that statement too so I see nothing wrong with that.
Slagging him off personally for being negative and vocal about is a little out of line. |
Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:10:00 - [ 402]
All things taken into account, I enjoyed my stay in the north, so congratulation to the winners.
Lots of PvP, relatively smack free and a whole lot of fun.
The only thing I didn't like was the lag, only to be expected when alliances collide, but the extremes that were experienced on both sides didn't really add to the enjoyment.
I can only hope that the upcoming Trinity II engine drastically reduces client lag and that CCP implements their plans for a true cluster solution on the server side.
Then alliance warfare should be more fun than frustration.
See you in space. |
Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:12:00 - [ 403]
Very good posts by KracKaTinny and Blazde. Good reads, both of them.
It's a shame that a good portion of this thread has just been an airing of internal issues, but I think that those people who have stuck with the thread from beginning to end have been rewarded with some good accounts of the salient facts.
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Ivor Gunn
Caldari
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
|
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:14:00 - [ 404]
Originally by: HarrytheDog
in reality he left like a sulky teenager because he got slapped-down in public over his forum posting.
Yep, that's TJORG. Every alliance they've ever been in; they've left in tears, usually accompanied with smacktalk in every channel they've got access to. |
Tissa
Minmatar
Mnemonic Enterprises
New Eden Research. |
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:16:00 - [ 405]
Originally by: Sebo Darrens
Also, as to bean's personal character..
He wasn't a bad FC as far as I remember, but he is definitely a loud-mouthed tit - but I think he would agree with that statement too so I see nothing wrong with that.
Slagging him off personally for being negative and vocal about is a little out of line.
I agree with you on this one, sophie and I may have had a few words over philosophy but when it came to FCing he could hold his own. He also believed in fatal. |
sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:19:00 - [ 406]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 03/10/2007 16:48:50 Originally by: Fleg Dorchit
Originally by: Asuo
Originally by: HarrytheDog
Gentlemen, some clarification needed here; ol' GreenBean seems to be trying to convince everyone that he left Fatal because of a disagreement with the Alliance leadership over tactics; in reality he left like a sulky teenager because he got slapped-down in public over his forum posting. A quick perusal of the last few pages, noting particularly his name-calling and self-agrandisement will give you an idea of why he was asked to stop. The bitter and aggressive tone of all his posts should be a strong pointer to those who might see my assertion as biased - who the hell gets that steamed up if the only reason for leaving was a disagreement on tactics?
Tbh, I know that I speak for all my Corp and lots of other Fatal members when I say we were glad to see the back of him.
I had the misfortune of flying in a couple of ops with him in charge, and quite frankly he sucked large chocolate salty balls; he did teach me everything he knew about FC-ing but that only took 5 minutes. And once he'd decided to leave and sold/moved his assets, he was back in our systems shooting (at) his old mates with Tri, which shows you the character of the bloke.
He's an egotistical, misanthroptic, loud-mouthed tit and should be avoided like the plague.
Nothing personal beany old fruit
I thought it was cos he was a gobby sod who kept trying to steal all the lime light from the people who did the actual work.
Couldn't agree more, I thought this over 6 months ago before I left Fatal Rev.
Strange how im still getting invites to corps that are all ex-fatal and agree with me considering how poor at fcing and pvp i am. Its almost as if they know me and you guys are bitter about the fall of your pathetic alliance and looking to try to hit out at me for enjoying it. And my problem was with the leadership and the memberswho sat in stations or logged of as soon as a hostile gang came into our area. Example; 15 hostiles inbound, 180 members in alliance chat logged in, a call to gang goes out and the same 3-4 ppl x up everybody else goes deaf and dumb stops talking in alliance chat or in the security channels or on TS. PS; To the last couple of hate mail boys NONE OF THE 3-4 PPL I MENTIONED WERE YOU OR IN EITHER OF YOUR CORPS. He's an egotistical (very much so its one of the favorite things about me in fast i love that about me almost as much as other things) misanthroptic (dunno about that one but il look it up and let you know) loud-mouthed tit and should be avoided like the plague. And i like being a load mouth tit it stops ppl from forgeting what you have said. Edited for spelling and revision cheers tissa |
Tissa
Minmatar
Mnemonic Enterprises
New Eden Research. |
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:28:00 - [ 407]
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
And i like being a load moth tit.
a load moth tit? Quoted before you realize what you put down in the hope that someone from the JORG makes this your title. Still think your fiction rocks fella. |
Gaurav
Caldari
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire. |
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:54:00 - [ 408]
To RZR, MM, et al. I hope you have this campaign written somewhere. It would make quite an interesting reading from which we could all learn a lot. |
Znaei
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.03 18:32:00 - [ 409]
CoW,M.Pire and Fatal!! Dont forget this make him stand up to his promise! |
S3dINSTBE
Caldari
Goat rapists
|
Posted - 2007.10.03 21:09:00 - [ 410]
Originally by: Znaei
CoW,M.Pire and Fatal!! Dont forget this make him stand up to his promise!
They did it for the beerz |
Angor
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2007.10.03 21:32:00 - [ 411]
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: HarrytheDog
in reality he left like a sulky teenager because he got slapped-down in public over his forum posting.
Yep, that's TJORG. Every alliance they've ever been in; they've left in tears, usually accompanied with smacktalk in every channel they've got access to.
Err who are you? I've been in 3 alliances with the JORG, Sylph (left on good terms), Myriad (left cos they surrendered without a fight, but on good terms), FATAL (left cos of multiple reasons alot evident in this thread, again on good terms). Where your getting your info I have no idea. And as for Sophisticated, he is actually a good FC, lots of small wolfpack gangs were some of the most fun I've had in eve, lots of kills and very few losses, how does that make a bad FC? He might go overboard speaking his mind, but thats why we love him, plus we gota have someone to match Goons on the forum lmao. |
Nubmart
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.03 22:17:00 - [ 412]
Bring back Wei Xiao, I never got to pop his dominix. |
Elmicker
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
G00DFELLAS |
Posted - 2007.10.03 23:33:00 - [ 413]
Edited by: Elmicker on 03/10/2007 23:42:51
NVM. Totally not worth it. Mail me ingame angor if you really want to go down that route. |
Angor
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
|
Posted - 2007.10.04 00:30:00 - [ 414]
Originally by: Elmicker
Edited by: Elmicker on 03/10/2007 23:42:51
NVM. Totally not worth it. Mail me ingame angor if you really want to go down that route.
errr ok? |
Archilies
Minmatar
The Wild Hunt
|
Posted - 2007.10.04 03:30:00 - [ 415]
Sophi left because no one took him seroiusly bless him. Then he whined, and had a paddy because he claimed he had done all the work when in fact he had done **** all.
This is comming from a grown man, and in fact acts like a sulking 16 yr old teenager [kevin comes to mind]. Im guessing your what, 30's - 40's?. Yet you talk as if your 10. |
Dylan Rhade
Caldari
UK Corp
-Mostly Harmless- |
Posted - 2007.10.04 03:42:00 - [ 416]
When someone from FATAL Rev was leader of the alliance, u all followed as if it was gospel.
When Prom stepped upto bat after no one else would take it, u did NOT listen to him, he was the appointed leader of the alliance, and u took him about as seriously as a cat playing with a thimble.
If Omaha had been the one who had surrendered after MPire (would insert what i think here but corpies wouldnt like so i'll stay shtum)surrendered, u wouldnt have raised a word in protest.
Despite what some of you believed, FATAL Rev was NOT the whole alliance
D
|
Privious
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2007.10.04 06:03:00 - [ 417]
now now children, don't make me pull over the car |
HarrytheDog
Minmatar
Chosen Path
FATAL Alliance |
Posted - 2007.10.04 10:00:00 - [ 418]
Quite right Sebo, personal attacks are beyond the pale and name-calling is just juvenile, so I apologise to Mr StringBean unreservedly. I could point out that he started it but that would be childish so I wont. Anyway, Sticks and Stones etc eh Sophie?  |
sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
Aliastra
|
Posted - 2007.10.04 10:08:00 - [ 419]
Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 04/10/2007 11:21:49Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 04/10/2007 10:26:58 Originally by: Archilies
Sophi left because no one took him seroiusly bless him.
Actualy a few ppl took me seriously and they left not long after i did. And as a matter of interest how are you guys up in branch (those that did'nt take me seriously) doing????. Oh thats right LOL you just got booted out 2 days or so after deploying a third outpost after not even losing a single of your own systems. Originally by: Archilies
Then he whined, and had a paddy because he claimed he had done all the work when in fact he had done **** all..
1)Leading the most successful gangs ever in fatal (pre-carebear, so mostly before your time) 2) trying to organise a alliance fleet (one night of that and everybody bailed and the minerals went to build a capital ship for one of the inner circle) 3) spending loads of time on the test server trying to find new ways to combat blobing (with a few others helping with this who also left fatal in disgust before your debacle of a war) 4) Xing up for every OP if so much as a single ship came into our area (never saw you or many of your corp doing the same but you were always online) 5) training in system or posting on the alliance forum for the newer players who wanted advise on fittings/fleet ops (never saw you there either) 6) And yes going on and on and on about how if we continued to turtle up instead of fighting offensivly we would eventualy fall due to the fact we would be fighting in or near our isk making areas (Considering fatals last few days id say you and the rest of the arrogant r*tards should have listened more and slagged me off and ignored me less, but hey you guys are better at moving home and making isk than you will ever be at fighting) I do not think anybody can argue that the fall of the new north coalition was way to soon considering their numbers and position/high sov left in a lot of systems. Your and others dislike of me and my comments on this forum and fictional acusations regarding my lack of effort are part of your problem. The total collapse of your alliance was due to a complete lack of cohesion in the joke that FATAL turned into and just confirms what i was going on about until i finaly got sick of the bunch of self serving carebear morons that had infested a once great pvp corp/alliance. |
Marlon Shakespeare
Gallente
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.10.04 11:31:00 - [ 420]
Why do you keep coming back here to get a bloody nose? Didn't we ask you to go and create your own self-flaggelating thread? Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Actualy a few ppl took me seriously and they left not long after i did.
And it shall forever remain a mystery who they were... Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
1)Leading the most successful gangs ever in fatal (pre-carebear, so mostly before your time)
A grand statement, perhaps even true, though who can tell. Certainly not in the post YM- era. I wasn't with FATAL back then so I can't comment. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
2) trying to organise a alliance fleet (one night of that and everybody bailed and the minerals went to build a capital ship for one of the inner circle)
To your credit you did make a lot of effort at telling everyone else what they should be doing. And on this occasion you actually did *do* something. That said, you couldn't even follow that through, as all the minerals that were contracted to you mysteriously went into the ether never to be seen again. I'm not suggesting you kept them for yourself, but organising a mining op isn't exactly hard is it...? Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
3) spending loads of time on the test server trying to find new ways to combat blobing
Stealth Bomber Spoiler Alert? Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
5) training in system or posting on the alliance forum for the newer players who wanted advise on fittings/fleet ops (never saw you there either)
Most of us were training in Tenal while you were training in Aunenen *cough*. Killboard stats don't lie. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
[b]6) And yes going on and on and on about how if we continued to turtle up instead of fighting offensivly we would eventualy fall due to the fact we would be fighting in or near our isk making areas
What you failed to grasp back then, and still fail to grasp even now is that everyone knew everything you kept harping on about already and in many cases agreed. The constant rhetoric just ****ed everyone off, and the irony was that you became exactly the kind of player which you set out to hate. Corporations and Alliances need people who step up to the plate and lead from the front, irrespective of the challenge and setbacks, not people who sit in the background ranting yet doing nothing themselves. You had the choice and you chose to step down (I'm being generous here) because it was easier than winning the trust and confidence of your corp/alliance mates to join any gangs which you led (don't recall many). Your repugnant vitriol reached it's heights when you would openly insult those who did step up and take out gangs with comments including "I hope you've learned your lesson" and "told you so" on the occasions when they came back unsuccessful. And now sitting in smug self-delusion you wonder why no-one respects you? Following your departure (no link), I believe FATAL did actually step up considerably, however it was unsustainable for a variety of reasons. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
but hey you guys are better at moving home and making isk than you will ever be at fighting)
Aunenen? lol. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
The total collapse of your alliance was due to a complete lack of cohesion in the joke that FATAL turned into and just confirms why people like you will never be anything other than losers and parasites in eve.
Oh, we thought it was because you left us :-( At least your last Alliance has seen fit to redress their recruitment policy. |
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