Posted - 2007.09.14 20:57:00 - [31]

 

Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto

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stuff

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So ambulation is a bad idea because a few immature people will do something that annoys you?

Posted - 2007.09.14 20:57:00 - [33]

 

Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 14/09/2007 20:59:34

Originally by: Nicho Void

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Corporate offices - already exist

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An icon with your corp name and description under some tab in station is hardly what I, nor CCP, have in mind.

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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NPC greeters - no function that isn't covered by a website

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In game, in station greeters will market to the casual browser. Your website will only get hits from corp members, war targets, or people you send that way. Also, IGB and OOG links take away from immersion.

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Personal stores - selling what exactly? Clothes? lol

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This is the attitude that kills me. Where has is ever been stated that stores can only sell clothes and puppies and sunshine? Why not battleships, implants, hookers, and beer?

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Casinos - Yeah maybe but again already covered by IGB sites

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The immersion issue again, as well as the added security that will come with a CCP endorsed gambling venue. Harder to scam.

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Whole new areas of gameplay - where?

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By areas, I meant types.

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Meh..

Reasonable responses and that's why I'm undecided.

IF:-

Shops can sell all commodities - that would rock tbh, cos you could hook people into being regular buyers for your sets of stuff or customized (rigged) ships

Decor costs real cash - that would rock cos if you're filthy rich like me you can show it off*

CCP eventually introduce bipedal combat - r0xx00r!

So yeah, there is potential but it's still a worrying development for the reason that it could all just go Sims up!


* Edit: By "real cash" I mean ISK of course, not that I'm an Eve mentalist or anything...

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:00:00 - [35]

 

Originally by: Dristra

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Whenever ambulation is brought up, there is a torrent of whines, and people almost claiming that they will quit eve if ambulation arrives.

Why is this?
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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It's not more content. It will not add anything to the game. I fail to see the point of it.

So your avatar will have a a whole body and be able to walk on down to the LP store. How does this enhance my game play?

When it is released people will use it for 2 weeks and then never use it again. I can click on this button for the LP Store or I can watch my character walk to the LP Store. Same result except one takes more time. No thanks.

As for your argument about the ambulation not working on drones/ui or whatever: It's bunk. It's a complete bull**** argument. They could be working on other things or they could be fired and the money used to hire people who could add meaningful content to the game. Hell they could just fire them and give all the other CCP employees a raise or a few cases of beer. I feel that would be a better use of the money.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:02:00 - [37]

 

Originally by: Tunak

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They could be working on other things or they could be fired and the money used to hire people who could add meaningful content to the game.

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Like a scalability expert.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:06:00 - [39]

 

Ambulation?

Meh, just something else to keep station huggers occupied whilst you camp thier station.

Not for it....then again I'm not against it.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:09:00 - [41]

 

Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Fixing bugs is not a problem solved by simply throwing more people at it, in fact it can have the opposite effect of slowing things down or introducing even more bugs.

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Correct not "simply", but more resources being made available to bugs makes it much easier to solve them. Also, while it "can" have the opposite effect, it doesn't have to if those resources are properly managed and the scope isn't allowed to creep into new features.

Basically, the issue is that the "resources" should remain focused on the current issues, before they are freed up to start creating new features.

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How do you know said resources are not being properly managed? Fixing bugs does not work to any set time scale.
As for the rest it's been stated constantly from the start that the people and resources involved in development have little or nothing to do with those involved in bug fixing as they often require completely different tools and skills (you wouldn't want the graphics designer fixing code bugs unless you were bonkers).

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:14:00 - [43]

 

Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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Read a few articles on the features of ambulation before you open your ass checks to spew your ignorant babble please.

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Links please.

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Here is a great place to start. No reading required.

This one does require reading.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:18:00 - [45]

 

Originally by: Wild Rho

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How do you know said resources are not being properly managed? Fixing bugs does not work to any set time scale.

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Because the number of bugs and lag related issues have been continually increasing over the last year, not decreasing.

However, that said you miss-read what I wrote. I was simply saying that if you added extra resources to the bug/lag fix teams AND properly managed them, that it would be a positive and not necessarily negative factor on resolving issues.

Quote:

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As for the rest it's been stated constantly from the start that the people and resources involved in development have little or nothing to do with those involved in bug fixing as they often require completely different tools and skills (you wouldn't want the graphics designer fixing code bugs unless you were bonkers).

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And once again if you would actually read what I wrote you would see that I wasn't suggesting that the "people" working on ambulation should be moved over to the bug fix team. Instead, I was suggesting that many customers would prefer that the "resources" (i.e. dollars/isk) was used instead to hire someone that could help resolve the current issues, before using those resources (i.e. dollars/isk) to hire said ambulation graphic designers.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:21:00 - [47]

 

Game + ambulation = more lag.

Considering that the game lags enough at times as it is. Add more pressure on the servers and we're going to have a major problem.

I would rather see more resources put toward solving the lag/server problems we have been experiencing lately. If it comes to it, I would rather see Rev 3 delayed until what we already have is stabilised to a satisfactory degree.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:25:00 - [49]

 

Can only speak for myself, but...

It's not 'hate', but 'why?'. I for one signed up for EVE because it's a space game. Ambulation has about zero draw for me, and I'd rather the effort be spent elsewhere.

And lol at the internet psychologists. Don't quit your day job, m'kay?

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:27:00 - [51]

 

Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: MITSUK0

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Because people have a stunning lack of understaning about how software development works. They have the notion that adding more chefs will infact make the broth better. They are computer gamers! They prbably even looked at a PHP for dummies book once! Of course they know more about software development than profesionals who stake there wages on it!

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I'll wager my bloated software professional wage that I know more about it than you.

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A better analogy for software engineering is: Nine women can't make a baby in one month. Same goes for any smallish software project. Bigger (vastly more complex) ones can go faster with more people.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:33:00 - [53]

 

Edited by: Wild Rho on 14/09/2007 21:33:38

Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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As for the rest it's been stated constantly from the start that the people and resources involved in development have little or nothing to do with those involved in bug fixing as they often require completely different tools and skills (you wouldn't want the graphics designer fixing code bugs unless you were bonkers).

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That's not a valid argument. If they don't have the tools or skills to work on bugs they can be fired and the money can be used to hire people or buy tools.

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It's a perfectly valid argument as I already mentioned how simply adding more people does not guarantee that bugs will be fixed faster.

As for your knee jerk reaction of simply firing people and hiring others in their place, that's a poor suggesstion for a number of reasons such as...

- Removing people from content development slows down the development of the game long term and even a bug free game will fail if players feel the world has become stagnant).
- Hiring new bug fixing staff requires the new staff to be trained by the existing staff so bug fixing will actually slow down for quite some time.
- With more bug fixers working on code there is more room for bugs to be introduced as there are more opportunities for mistakes to be made and the number of extra checks slows down the bug fixing cycle further.

Chances are CCPs bug fixing team is around the optimal size for the workload they have and the game is better off putting up with a few bugs in exchange for constantly growing and improving.


And where did you get this "many customers would prefer" stuff from? Take a survey did you?

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:39:00 - [55]

 

Thanks. Now try and talk like a civilized adult and hopefully we can have a dialog.

Comments:

"you won't be able to run, only walk" - Anything that has a non ambulatory method of doing it will be used in preference since it will take less time.

"First, corporations will be getting meeting rooms. These will be large conference areas where they can sit at tables, look at computer
displays, chat about strategy, and generally hang out. The meeting rooms will have a private corporation-only
part and a public foyer where potential applicants can come and meet with current corporation members."

This is no new content. Everything listed can be done with the current system. Ambulation gives no functionality gain.

"Also,
an NPC can be set up with simple corporation information and answers to commonly asked questions in case no
one is handy to talk to them. Players will chat with this NPC by navigating scripted dialogue trees that the
corporation can create."

Once again how is this an advantage over the current system? The only place I see this applicable is if your corp accepts applications from people you don't know and you have no one online currently.

"Players will also be able to walk around the interior of their own ships."

This is a complete waste. Since I can't have anyone else on my ship what's the point.

"With access to a dressing area, you can probably guess what else will be available: clothes! Players will have
access to a huge variety of clothing and accessories to wear on their characters and be able to swap between
as many different outfits as they care to buy, as often as they like."

Custimization of ship exterior should be placed way in front of having fashion shows.

"Venues are simply stores within the game where players will be able to socialize, browse, shop, and gamble."

This has possibility.

"Everything available for sale in the stores will be player crafted items made from the same materials that are
currently traded in EVE."

If the items in the store are available on the regular market then it's not new content. If the items are not available on the market but only in the venue people will buy from the market because they won't have to walk there.

"Non-player characters (like
the informational corporation ones) can be placed in these venues with set dialogue trees to cater to
customers when the proprietor is offline or away on business."

This would be nice if they could take orders. However with shops and these NPCs all of this could be done with the current engine. Ambulation is not required.

"When creating any kind of social space, the developers recognize that the players will need something to do.
Shopping and talking aren't enough by themselves. That's why they want to implement games of chance for use in
the bars and casinos."

Gambling will always have an audience. As for bars. I imagine they will be in the trade hubs. Maybe outposts. But once again. There's no new content. It's simple a different background on the screen.

"Emotes will play an important role in character interaction. CCP would like to allow characters to do complex
things like shake hands, pat each other on the back, and hug, in addition to more common emotes like waving
and bowing."

All of this has been handled with text chat for literally decades. Once again no new functionality.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:42:00 - [57]

 

ah ... free of charge? i read in one of the interviews that they are still working on how pricing will be involved so don't assume it will be free. we had a discussion if they might bring something in with the planning room where gang bonus would no longer be calculated on the fly but be a set amount if done in the new corp planning area. reduce lag and encourage paying for the new 'content'.

Posted - 2007.09.14 21:46:00 - [59]

 

lol I can't wait for this to go in. All those geniuses who thought it would be a good idea to make a female character and have been defending that choice all of this time are going to be on here complaining that some Caldari dude grabbed his ass in the station lounge.

And ROFL at anyone who made a cross eyed character.