Posted - 2007.11.23 15:58:00 - [331]

 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 23/11/2007 15:58:16
I want blue and red rats, including in 0.0 space.

that is all.

Posted - 2007.11.27 04:09:00 - [333]

 

In a nut shell FW should involve the following. Note: these are short and sweet for a reason the content is up to you.

1) Map's changing - change is good seeing empires expand and contract constantly would be wicked sick.

2) Fighting navies with navies by your side - again wicked sick especially if the other side drops faction gear =P (Which could act as an incentive).

3) Faction LP's granting you access to things like CNR's and State Ravens. Or Imp. Apoc's / Geddons. Etc you get the idea. No isk cost (*requires you to be sided with your faction*) but high LP cost. And ofc faction gear to outfit them. (obviously if you actually did put the state raven or imp's in i'd expect you to make them rediculously hard to get)

4) Stations / systems being conquered - again see #1 =D

5) If you side with a faction make it required to stay that way for a set amount of time in order to make the rewards a bit more balanced. So you can't just grind away to get uber ships. Make people work for them.

6) Um, well its war make it everywhere. I want to see REAL war between the empires. Otherwise there is no point to it all.

Thats all i got for now but if i think of more ill post it.

Posted - 2007.11.29 06:58:00 - [335]

 

I was thinking for starters with faction warfare creating deadspace areas that are accessible to players who accept faction missions. The deadspace areas would only be available to those persons and would include a combination of NPC and Players. The more NPC ships and opposing faction players you destroy, the more faction points you receive. If you are destroyed, warp out, or complete your mission objectives (i.e. destroy x number of opposing faction ships, destroy x faction base components, defend your faction's base for x number of minutes) then you receive additional faction points.

The faction points, in turn, could be used to purchase faction modules or ships after accumulating them. Also, the more faction victories your faction gains, could affect system sovereignty to the point where neither faction has sovereignty to where one faction takes sovereignty from another faction. This could also change the security level of the contested system as well.

Posted - 2007.11.30 18:44:00 - [337]

 

Volunteer Enforcement Officer (VEO)

This is a volunteer police force created through the joint efforts of Concord and the (insert race here) government to police high and low sec space.

VEO’s are much like bounty hunters in that they are technically hunting for bounties.

To become a VEO you must go to one of the NPC military stations within Empire space. You can sign up with them for free as long as your Sec Rating is above 1.0.
If at anytime your Sec-Rating drops below 1.0 your VEO status is instantly revoked, if this happens whilst in high-sec, the VEO will be insta-popped. The VEO cannot be regained for 7 days, and you must have Sec-rating of 1.0.

A VEO can only attack targets with a global aggression timer and either a –1.0 sec-rating or bounty, or a registered criminal. (Because a criminal has a bounty on his head and has negative security status, he is a ‘Registered Criminal’ until there is no longer a bounty on them or Sec status is above –1.0.) They cannot attack a player that is war-decked unless that war-decked player attacks a non-war-decked player who is not a registered criminal. If the War-Decked player IS a registered criminal, then he can be attacked as normal.

What can a VEO attack?

If a target has a Sec-Rating above –1.0 but has a bounty, the VEO can attack the target if the target has a global aggression timer.

If a target has a Sec-Rating below –1.0, the VEO can attack the target if the target has a global aggression timer.

If the target is a Registered Criminal, the VEO can attack them.

The VEO can attack the targets listed above anywhere in empire space.

If a VEO Pods a target in low-sec, he will get a Sec-Rating hit like everyone else would. If the Pods someone in High-sec, he receives double the Sec-Rating hit than if he was in low-sec space.

Attacking players outside of the list above will result the usual actions.

What do they get paid?
A VEO gets paid in LP

1,000,000 ISK= 500LP

If a VEO kills a registered criminal, he receives:
Base ship cost x 0.5 = LP
Example: Dominix Base cost 62.75mil x0.5= 31.375mil which the VEO will get in LP. = 15687.5LP

If a VEO kills a player with a Sec-Rating above –1.0 but has a bounty, OR, kills a player with a Sec-Rating below -1.0 but does not have a bounty, the VEO receives: Base ship cost x 0.25 = LP
Example: Dominix Base cost 62.75mil x0.25= 15.6875mil which the VEO will get in LP. = 7931.3LP

Now the basics are covered:
What do the VEO do?

They hunt pirates, quell hostile actions, hunt negative bounty hunters, hunt assassins.

I also think it would be a good idea for them to be able to try and hunt down smugglers instead of concord trying to do it. If the smuggler has a high sec rating then the VEO couldn’t do anything to them in high sec, only scan their ships. But they could follow the smuggler to low sec, and then grab him. Shoot him and then take his illegal loot. They could then take it to the nearest military station (or maybe back to a specific station in high sec) and then trade it in to the authorities for LP.
Also they could maybe be corrupt cops, and just leave some of it in their hanger in low sec.

These few things I mentioned, I think could be like agent missions where the targets are real players. Or they could just be freelance,

I also think it could work in faction warfare. Each VEO would work for a joint Amarr + Concord or Minmatar + Concord. And when the warfare starts they could be conscripted to run missions against enemy faction targets, missions other VEO who work for other factions and that kind of thing.

I really don’t know what this idea would do, just wondering if anyone else had any ideas about it.

Posted - 2007.12.01 19:49:00 - [339]

 

Add specific structures into contested low security space. The coolest would be a huge mobile shipyard which players can dock at and has all or most of the features of a station. Perhaps no cloning bay so that podded players would not return immediantly.

Let's say that the Amarrian Empire is at war with the Minmatar Republic. Pilots could decide to side with one or the other by purchasing a "Soldier License". An Amarrian Soldier License would allow a pilot to freely engage those pilots with a Minmatar Soldier License. Basically these two players would be at war - everywhere and at any time. Or perhaps just in those contested systems.

Resigning from factional warfare would take 24 hours to take effect.

Posted - 2007.12.09 21:38:00 - [341]

 

Factional warfare is a great concept and I can't wait to see the proposed design in some future patch, but it's really hard to implement in a way that will satisfy everyone.

I'd love to see borders changing, the NPCs getting involved a bit more, not always flying solo in missions but assisting NPCs, etc. (how many times have we done missions styled as convoy raids, stop & search duties, etc. which translate to a few brave players taking on an armada of red blinking dots? Where's my fire support, we cry...) However...

One of the biggest problems is that real war causes change and risk, and not everyone in EVE is ready for either of those. New players need a place to develop, to learn, without signing in on their first day and getting shot by someone in an opposing faction. There are after all learning curves and learning brick walls... Thus this means you need in essence to have immunity to factional warfare unless you want to be involved. Worse, you don't want to force everyone to pick sides so that some areas of Empire are off-limits, as that kills off mercenaries working for the highest bidder, trading with both warring factions, and simple travelling. It's not incredibly realistic, true, but necessary. Thus limiting to mostly low-sec is ideal but needs also to be plausible.

In terms of a fictional approach, I'd work it something like this: the factions desire ways to work out their differences forcefully, but CONCORD (or the Jovians for more firepower) insists that peace must be preserved or it will deal with warring factions severely. As a compromise, warfare is restrained to designated systems to avoid wholesale loss of civilian life... (etc etc - you get the idea, kind of like the Great Convention in Frank Herbert's Dune, warfare but with limits to avoid upsetting the status quo too much).

Thus borders can change, systems & stations can change hands, but not in a way that totally upsets the apple cart and destroys a faction. That nice high-sec mining or trading route isn't going anywhere. At the moment, low-sec is PvP oriented without any real faction influence beyond the usual agent stuff. I'd want to see not just PvP in factional warfare, but NPC ships in the fray. At the moment beyond station and gate-camping, the various factions' navies don't seem to do much. How would it look to see a fleet of Amarr battleships moving from central Amarr space to patrol their claims in low-sec space, or assaulting a Minmatar-held gate? This doesn't detract from PvP, those engaged in factional warfare can join in and involve themselves in their own campaigns.

I'd envisage several levels of involvement:

None (default): No ties to any faction, no faction is any more likely to take potshots at you than before.

Basic (For): You're pro a certain faction, but not heavily committed to them (for example a mercenary who prefers a certain set of ideals). Your faction will provide some basic advantages and rewards, and your opposing faction will dislike you, but you're not going to be denied docking or shot on sight, it's more dislike than hatred. This would increase as you did more for a given side, until it approached:

Involved (For): You're well regarded in your faction, and have new options available with them that people don't have before (faction POS without need for charter, faction guards your POS, call for escort/backup, new faction equipment unavailable via loyalty points, lots of possibilities). Conversely, your opposing faction will shoot you on sight in low-sec and charge you more in high-sec.

Basic & Involved (Against): You don't like a given faction, but you're not pro their enemy. In essence a declaration of intent that you will fight that faction, but as other posters have mentioned, it ought to come with positives, e.g. smuggling, black markets, resistance movements, all the criminal side of things that have really fallen by the wayside in EVE.

Posted - 2007.12.10 21:44:00 - [343]

 

In FW you must follow your race, or choose to betray it . Standings evolve accordingly.

Enemy NPC navy should present themselves similar to what the rats do now.

I like the idea of friendly NPC navy seen as "blue rats".

Enemy Navy players are shown as enemies at war do now (player v.s. player) , and killing them results in extra bonuses.

You'ld get bounties payed for dogtags etc.

Warfare would be restricted between the various faction navy corps. Thus new players would have to not start as members of those. Only membership by choice.

Player corporations should also have the option to join some sort of an "alliance" with the faction navys.

Faction gear would be one of the main motivators. And as a consequense, faction gear need to be far better ballanced between the races.

Faction wars need to have a large portion of PvP in it. Low-sec FW should/must purely be PvP.

Posted - 2007.12.14 10:42:00 - [345]

 

Edited by: Serathii on 14/12/2007 10:42:54
on the podding of the post above me: concord should just keep people safe from podding in empire, and for the parts in lowsec: your ship log records evrything you lock on too, if your agent finds you locked on to, and killed a pod, mission reward(standing, loyalty, isk, whatever) will be cut by 50% for each pod(so killing 2 pods would make it 75%)
thats my idea on it

Posted - 2007.12.18 13:56:00 - [347]

 

All I can say is as soon as you have the minimal functionality available for factional warfare, get it up on a second test server so that we can play with it and tell you what works and what doesn't before it actually goes live and locks down Eve into a new mode from then on.

Posted - 2007.12.24 23:45:00 - [349]

 

Edited by: Rigo Kajjar on 24/12/2007 23:45:18

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CCP Ginger > There will be no "PvP lite".

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I think exactly that is a problem, because everyone who wants to do full PvP can already get it now. If the empire population would want more "full war PvP", they could easily move to 0.0 or start empire wars already now. But they don't ... so I think there is definitly more interest in the "faction" part than the "warfare" part of FW.

From my personal opinion, current gameplay lacks fun in areas of casual and solo PvP. FW could indeed fix that, but only with a "pvp lite" that would encourage small gangs instead blobbing and also not interfere too much with other interests of the current non-pvp players. However, "lite" doesn't seem to be the plan.

Posted - 2007.12.29 22:50:00 - [351]

 

Edited by: Rigo Kajjar on 29/12/2007 22:50:42
In order to avoid people basing in their opponent faction space, make office renting require minimum corp standing to faction. Standing requirement wouldn't need to be high, just enough to lock FWer of the opposing faction out, eg 1.0 faction standing would enable your corp to rent an office in a high sec system of your faction; all neutral corps need to stay in 0.5-0.6, all enemy corps would need to goto low sec with their offices.

In addition, make NPC fees, from office rent, market tax, clone fee, refining, lab costs all heavily dependent on standing. This is another incentive for people to base in "their" space, as living for them is cheaper there. In addition, this pulls in industrialists to FW, as good standings would reduce their costs while their opponents would have to pay higher prices. It means also that FW industrialists could compete better with non-FW players, another incentive to join FW. However, the fee would need to be feelable, eg the current market tax would go from 1%->0% for FWer, but it should be like 1%->30% tax for enemies of your faction.

Note that the "standing based fees" only work in combination with the modified office renting, else people just get a shopping alt which fills the corp hangar. For this to work, corp hangars need to be moved away.

Posted - 2008.01.03 04:15:00 - [353]

 

I hope you guys in CCP are still reading this. First, Faction warfare is a GREAT idea. We need a war. It's a chance for the industrialist to do things like gun running and the like. Also, hopefully, comodities like the consumer goods will go up in places so we can make some real money with those useless items. But I have a couple of thoughts that I would like to guys to think about. Armed Merchantmen. I've been reading about the cargo ships in WWI and II that would bascially go out and hunt cargo ships, hopefully this will be an option. You go to a agent in your races faction and sign up, they give you one of these and tell you to go out and destroy every Amarrian merchant ship you see. That would be great. The other idea is let us sign up with our agents as privateers. Give us the otion with a module that alows us to board the ship in combat and "take her a prize". Once captured you can command the ship to go to the nearest friendly port where you could sell the ship and it's items for a bounty or just keep it to use as another privateer...what do you think?? I really want the possiblity to capture ships to sell them.

Posted - 2008.01.09 16:32:00 - [355]

 

Edited by: Daedra Blue on 09/01/2008 16:40:32
Edited by: Daedra Blue on 09/01/2008 16:35:34
I have to agree with AlleyKat Factional Warfare can not be implemented into the existing universe without turning it upside down because of so many contradictory points.
-War is WAR it affects everyone if it doesent it's not War you are not asked to participate in it u are being killed without your consent by your enemyes wherever you are caught.War means shoot first ask later.If u really want to change the dynamism of the EvE universe then think about the sec status. The actual system status like low sec high sec they have been the same for ages in a PROPER FW the people that fight in a system and win will increase that systems status for they're faction thus gaining security in the system they didnt have cutting other factions trade routes and creating more for others making the eve univers Completley Dynamic asside from a predetermined perimeter the empire cannot be fully conqured leaving room for full retaliation.This is Proper Faction Warfare it affects everyone wether u like it or not if u sit around and do nothing u'll end up kicked out of the station.
So u see the implication any scaled down versions would not really match to the actual thing and would only represent minor changes. FW in itself means a player driven empire wide conflict.
Most are not ready to face such a drastic change.

But i disagree about a new server not everyone is ready to throw away years of skill development and start allover again and i assume the whole EvE idea is to put all people in the SAME universe and not do a WoW style split with different realm types.

Thus and i think it is time to say it.And here i become a more RP player.

EvE Online - Reunion
Finaly after so many years the most unbelivable technological breaktrough. After many years of research on the wormholes that stranded these civilisations on the other end of the unvierse a major technological breacktrough has been made the first artificial wormholes are being created as we speak in the hopes of reuniting with the motherland. All 4 Empires create a wormhole connecting the current EvE unvierse with the homeworld from 4 different corners of the galaxy finding they're old civilisations in ruins and completley empty as if they've been killed by something. Infuriated by preconceptions and confuzed by the discoveries the 4 empires call out in the eve unvierse for pilots to join they're cause as the unleash a war to Conquer the Entyre Motherland for themselfs.As the war unleashes the EvE universe remains the same as the Empires need eachother to Sustain the Economy but the war waighed far away is influencing the current EvE universe more and more as new technologies are being discovered and brought back from the ruins of the homeland though some strange artifacts unlikeley belonging to any of the 4 races are founds its still a mistery of how they got there.
-New Systems
-Neutral starting systems
-New Exploration zones to find old forgoten technologies
-Mysterious artefacts from and unknown source
-New Faction Ships obtanable only from the specific areas
-The More Teritory the Faction Controls the lower the prices on technology
-Unique special alliance wide missions that write history by finding and reserving a certain pattern of technology to be only available for theyre faction.

This is just a raw idea scribbled with the best in preserving what is and inovation also leaves room for a follow up (maybe a fifth alien race that extinguished our homeworld now threatening the EvE universe and a new front where all 4 empires cooperate against the common threat as a alternative for fighting eachother).

EDIT: Extra ideas
Oviously anyone can coem and choose whatever faction they want aside there can be no neutrality there as u can only enter trough the wormhole of your faction and if u are not with any u cant enter this.

Posted - 2008.01.12 15:41:00 - [357]

 

I wouldn't agree to "fw wars should be like corp wars" as mentioned in the posts above. I think FW wars should work more like can flagging, because: empire wars produce a lot of attrition and average players can't stand it for longer time (just look at all the attempts to dodge wars). If players, and specially non-hardcore-pvpers, shall participate permanently in FW, they need some way to still make cash in their own faction high sec space. Low sec would be fair game ofc.

In my opinion, factional wars should therefore be asymmetric, in a sense that being in your "home" faction space should be saver (but ofc less profitable) than raiding the opponent faction space.

In order to achieve that, people should get flagged in the other faction high sec space, like can thieves, etc. This would result in the fact that eg Amarr people could still make cash in Amarr high sec to finance their FW-pvp. But if they wanted, they could still shoot up a passing-by Minmatar FW, if they accept that the Minnie will shoot them back. But if the Amarr just looks the other way, he would be safe (in Amarr high sec space only).

Getting people in the other factions high sec space could simply be done with agent missions. Eg Minmatar agent: "we freeed some slaves from the amarr, bring them to our space".

Posted - 2008.01.15 20:59:00 - [359]

 

It seems to me that the greatest danger of faction warfare is shredding existing multiracial corps if participation is at the corporate level. It seems like corporations could exist with members on both sides of the war because they have independent goals in common.