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smashsmash |
Posted - 2007.08.27 18:42:00 - [ 61]
it is a well known fact that american's are the cause of all the world's problems. americans, of course, don't know this because their schools and media don't bother to inform them of this little factoid. america is the most corrupt country in the world, yet another fact american's aren't learning. of course, correct me if i'm wrong since i didn't bother to really think about any of that like those americans. blah blah.
threads like these always end in a list of charges against america. it's easy to come up with a long list of why someone is bad, especially america. the hard part is finding out what is the truth, putting it into perspective, and deciding what to do about it. no one seems to really know anything about america; they just have the really long list of all the bad things america is. an ominous sign that this entire thread is mostly speculation is all the apologetic phrases like "correct me if i'm wrong, i don't much about [something related to america]" peppered throughout the thread.
americans and the rest of the world are equally unwilling to invest the emotional energy required to truly understand each other. just like in this thread, it is easier to confirm what you know than correct any previous knowledge. |
Derovius Vaden |
Posted - 2007.08.27 18:43:00 - [ 62]
 Originally by: smashsmash
it is a well known fact that american's are the cause of all the world's problems. americans, of course, don't know this because their schools and media don't bother to inform them of this little factoid. america is the most corrupt country in the world, yet another fact american's aren't learning. of course, correct me if i'm wrong since i didn't bother to really think about any of that like those americans. blah blah.
threads like these always end in a list of charges against america. it's easy to come up with a long list of why someone is bad, especially america. the hard part is finding out what is the truth, putting it into perspective, and deciding what to do about it. no one seems to really know anything about america; they just have the really long list of all the bad things america is. an ominous sign that this entire thread is mostly speculation is all the apologetic phrases like "correct me if i'm wrong, i don't much about [something related to america]" peppered throughout the thread.
americans and the rest of the world are equally unwilling to invest the emotional energy required to truly understand each other. just like in this thread, it is easier to confirm what you know than correct any previous knowledge.
Give us an example Mr. Big Chin. |
smashsmash |
Posted - 2007.08.27 18:44:00 - [ 63]
of what? Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: smashsmash
it is a well known fact that american's are the cause of all the world's problems. americans, of course, don't know this because their schools and media don't bother to inform them of this little factoid. america is the most corrupt country in the world, yet another fact american's aren't learning. of course, correct me if i'm wrong since i didn't bother to really think about any of that like those americans. blah blah.
threads like these always end in a list of charges against america. it's easy to come up with a long list of why someone is bad, especially america. the hard part is finding out what is the truth, putting it into perspective, and deciding what to do about it. no one seems to really know anything about america; they just have the really long list of all the bad things america is. an ominous sign that this entire thread is mostly speculation is all the apologetic phrases like "correct me if i'm wrong, i don't much about [something related to america]" peppered throughout the thread.
americans and the rest of the world are equally unwilling to invest the emotional energy required to truly understand each other. just like in this thread, it is easier to confirm what you know than correct any previous knowledge.
Give us an example Mr. Big Chin.
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Derovius Vaden |
Posted - 2007.08.27 18:45:00 - [ 64]
Originally by: smashsmash
of what?
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: smashsmash
it is a well known fact that american's are the cause of all the world's problems. americans, of course, don't know this because their schools and media don't bother to inform them of this little factoid. america is the most corrupt country in the world, yet another fact american's aren't learning. of course, correct me if i'm wrong since i didn't bother to really think about any of that like those americans. blah blah.
threads like these always end in a list of charges against america. it's easy to come up with a long list of why someone is bad, especially america. the hard part is finding out what is the truth, putting it into perspective, and deciding what to do about it. no one seems to really know anything about america; they just have the really long list of all the bad things america is. an ominous sign that this entire thread is mostly speculation is all the apologetic phrases like "correct me if i'm wrong, i don't much about [something related to america]" peppered throughout the thread.
americans and the rest of the world are equally unwilling to invest the emotional energy required to truly understand each other. just like in this thread, it is easier to confirm what you know than correct any previous knowledge.
Give us an example Mr. Big Chin.
"it is easier to confirm what you know than correct any previous knowledge." |
smashsmash |
Posted - 2007.08.27 18:47:00 - [ 65]
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Derovius Vaden |
Posted - 2007.08.27 18:48:00 - [ 66]
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.08.27 18:58:00 - [ 67]
Originally by: Nuyan Zahedi
Originally by: Jastra
The BBC news these days teaches you very little, if thats your only eye into the world then you have a tiny view on world events, I don't see how the USA is so very different from that, I suspect the only reason UK news screened the shuttle landing this time was in case it blew up, I can remember many previous landing when they didnt even bother showing it, much of the rest of it seems to be adverts for other programmes, and SKY news simply shows the same news as BBC, god forbid they should compete and try and show something interesting. 24 hour news has been a disaster for news reporting IMO, we no longer report news, we just report life or more likely, celebrity, what happened to a story being newsworthy ?
Watching European news is an eye opener, you get a lot of news from a lot of Euro countries and further out that are just never mentioned on UK news, so I wouldnt hold us up as paragons. I'd be interested to watch Indian or Chinese, or Iraq news and see the difference.
I never watch BBC myself, but I don't believe other European news on tv is much better. I'm pretty sure that at least in the Netherlands it isn't. Personally I think that education and public tv (atleast most european countries actually DO have tv that isn't directly commercial) could be a lot better here too. And I'm often a bit shocked by people's unawareness of the world around them here too, it's not that they're stupid really, sometimes they're even a lot smarter than me, I guess it has a lot to do with different interests and I've been interrested in other countries/cultures and history since I was really young.
But back to the news topic. There's this believe that watching news is good for you, but I actually pretty much disagree with that. I think that by only watching the news you'll get a very flawed view of the world, espescially with the one-sided crap of Fox News/CNN (English Al-Jazeera is seriously a bit better than that) with journalists copying eachother. News-journals are always very short too and you simply can't explain a conflict in less than 20 seconds. There are some good documentaries/books about this too. From jumping to "news" to "news" you often get a very biased flawed view of things. It's much better to just read some background articles and watch a good documentary every now and then.
Agreed: this is why anyone who is interested in such matters still reads newspapers with background stories. Also I never step on a plane without an economist and a time: much better size than a paper for reading on a plane  problem is people dont care. also it takes time to educate yourself on current events. I read papers, watch news on different channels and surf major news sites. it costs a lot of time, but is worth it imho |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:02:00 - [ 68]
Originally by: smashsmash
it is a well known fact that american's are the cause of all the world's problems. americans, of course, don't know this because their schools and media don't bother to inform them of this little factoid. america is the most corrupt country in the world, yet another fact american's aren't learning. of course, correct me if i'm wrong since i didn't bother to really think about any of that like those americans. blah blah.
threads like these always end in a list of charges against america. it's easy to come up with a long list of why someone is bad, especially america. the hard part is finding out what is the truth, putting it into perspective, and deciding what to do about it. no one seems to really know anything about america; they just have the really long list of all the bad things america is. an ominous sign that this entire thread is mostly speculation is all the apologetic phrases like "correct me if i'm wrong, i don't much about [something related to america]" peppered throughout the thread.
americans and the rest of the world are equally unwilling to invest the emotional energy required to truly understand each other. just like in this thread, it is easier to confirm what you know than correct any previous knowledge.
to be quite honest I thought we were having a fairly grown up discussion on the matter, but your free to chime in without spelling out the problem again  it seems from your posts after the above one youre not really into talking about things. How would you propose some general understanding?? |
Sharupak
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:05:00 - [ 69]
Originally by: Nuyan Zahedi
Originally by: Jastra
The BBC news these days teaches you very little, if thats your only eye into the world then you have a tiny view on world events, I don't see how the USA is so very different from that, I suspect the only reason UK news screened the shuttle landing this time was in case it blew up, I can remember many previous landing when they didnt even bother showing it, much of the rest of it seems to be adverts for other programmes, and SKY news simply shows the same news as BBC, god forbid they should compete and try and show something interesting. 24 hour news has been a disaster for news reporting IMO, we no longer report news, we just report life or more likely, celebrity, what happened to a story being newsworthy ?
Watching European news is an eye opener, you get a lot of news from a lot of Euro countries and further out that are just never mentioned on UK news, so I wouldnt hold us up as paragons. I'd be interested to watch Indian or Chinese, or Iraq news and see the difference.
I never watch BBC myself, but I don't believe other European news on tv is much better. I'm pretty sure that at least in the Netherlands it isn't. Personally I think that education and public tv (atleast most european countries actually DO have tv that isn't directly commercial) could be a lot better here too. And I'm often a bit shocked by people's unawareness of the world around them here too, it's not that they're stupid really, sometimes they're even a lot smarter than me, I guess it has a lot to do with different interests and I've been interrested in other countries/cultures and history since I was really young.
But back to the news topic. There's this believe that watching news is good for you, but I actually pretty much disagree with that. I think that by only watching the news you'll get a very flawed view of the world, espescially with the one-sided crap of Fox News/CNN (English Al-Jazeera is seriously a bit better than that) with journalists copying eachother. News-journals are always very short too and you simply can't explain a conflict in less than 20 seconds. There are some good documentaries/books about this too. From jumping to "news" to "news" you often get a very biased flawed view of things. It's much better to just read some background articles and watch a good documentary every now and then.
Thank god for people like you. News back in the day (hell, even 10 years ago) A journalist was a guy who went out and wrote the news as it unfolded before his/her eyes. Not completely unbias, but definately not even close to todays onslaught of two dimensional thinking. News today, is this...A ticker tape on the internet at reuters/AP headlines events and stories, and news channels take the story and generate talking points (Something akin to 1984?)...left/right right/wrong +/- 1/0. News today is exclusively designed to put two analysts on and argue back and forth to polarize its audience for ratings. |
Rana Ash
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:12:00 - [ 70]
Originally by: Cornucopian
correct me please:
from west to east: norway, sweden, finland right?
capitals, west to east: oslo, stockholm, helsinki ?
You are correct Sir, i hope this was achived thru personal knowledge and not google |
Sharupak
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:20:00 - [ 71]
Originally by: smashsmash
it is a well known fact that american's are the cause of all the world's problems. americans, of course, don't know this because their schools and media don't bother to inform them of this little factoid. america is the most corrupt country in the world, yet another fact american's aren't learning. of course, correct me if i'm wrong since i didn't bother to really think about any of that like those americans. blah blah.
threads like these always end in a list of charges against america. it's easy to come up with a long list of why someone is bad, especially america. the hard part is finding out what is the truth, putting it into perspective, and deciding what to do about it. no one seems to really know anything about america; they just have the really long list of all the bad things america is. an ominous sign that this entire thread is mostly speculation is all the apologetic phrases like "correct me if i'm wrong, i don't much about [something related to america]" peppered throughout the thread.
americans and the rest of the world are equally unwilling to invest the emotional energy required to truly understand each other. just like in this thread, it is easier to confirm what you know than correct any previous knowledge.
I agree with the ending of your post. However, America the government IS bad and is indirectly the cause of most of the worlds problems. When I say indirectly, what I really mean is manipulating behind the scenes. We have loads of covert operations all over the world designed to cause insurrection and false flags to cause instability in the area and provide political excuse to militarily dominate and make an area more conducive to monopolization by multinational conglomerates to gain positive control of resources. This is the nature of the most powerful nations and empires since the the earliest recordings of civilization. Other countries all do the same thing, its just America does it alot more because we are the biggest. The American populous are even more cut off than other countries. For instance Zionism and anti Zionism is a HUGE issue the world over that only gets paid lip service in the American media and most of us here havent the slightest clue what it is about and what it entails... ( I am enjoying the rational disscussion here and would like to continue it. I realize that posting the last paragraph puts that at great risk to being locked. Please please please lets not get into this. I am only pointing it out as a subject that america is only now begining to get inundated with....nothing more.) |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:20:00 - [ 72]
Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Nuyan Zahedi
Originally by: Jastra
The BBC news these days teaches you very little, if thats your only eye into the world then you have a tiny view on world events, I don't see how the USA is so very different from that, I suspect the only reason UK news screened the shuttle landing this time was in case it blew up, I can remember many previous landing when they didnt even bother showing it, much of the rest of it seems to be adverts for other programmes, and SKY news simply shows the same news as BBC, god forbid they should compete and try and show something interesting. 24 hour news has been a disaster for news reporting IMO, we no longer report news, we just report life or more likely, celebrity, what happened to a story being newsworthy ?
Watching European news is an eye opener, you get a lot of news from a lot of Euro countries and further out that are just never mentioned on UK news, so I wouldnt hold us up as paragons. I'd be interested to watch Indian or Chinese, or Iraq news and see the difference.
I never watch BBC myself, but I don't believe other European news on tv is much better. I'm pretty sure that at least in the Netherlands it isn't. Personally I think that education and public tv (atleast most european countries actually DO have tv that isn't directly commercial) could be a lot better here too. And I'm often a bit shocked by people's unawareness of the world around them here too, it's not that they're stupid really, sometimes they're even a lot smarter than me, I guess it has a lot to do with different interests and I've been interrested in other countries/cultures and history since I was really young.
But back to the news topic. There's this believe that watching news is good for you, but I actually pretty much disagree with that. I think that by only watching the news you'll get a very flawed view of the world, espescially with the one-sided crap of Fox News/CNN (English Al-Jazeera is seriously a bit better than that) with journalists copying eachother. News-journals are always very short too and you simply can't explain a conflict in less than 20 seconds. There are some good documentaries/books about this too. From jumping to "news" to "news" you often get a very biased flawed view of things. It's much better to just read some background articles and watch a good documentary every now and then.
Thank god for people like you.
News back in the day (hell, even 10 years ago) A journalist was a guy who went out and wrote the news as it unfolded before his/her eyes. Not completely unbias, but definately not even close to todays onslaught of two dimensional thinking. News today, is this...A ticker tape on the internet at reuters/AP headlines events and stories, and news channels take the story and generate talking points (Something akin to 1984?)...left/right right/wrong +/- 1/0. News today is exclusively designed to put two analysts on and argue back and forth to polarize its audience for ratings.
yah... so the media is dumbed down... who's to blame for that other than the people who generate the ratings...?? eductaing a nation is a hefty business, but one that should take precedence over military power, I mean its not like the US is all powerfull anymore. Chinese have the economic nuke |
Derovius Vaden |
Posted - 2007.08.27 19:22:00 - [ 73]
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Nuyan Zahedi
Originally by: Jastra
The BBC news these days teaches you very little, if thats your only eye into the world then you have a tiny view on world events, I don't see how the USA is so very different from that, I suspect the only reason UK news screened the shuttle landing this time was in case it blew up, I can remember many previous landing when they didnt even bother showing it, much of the rest of it seems to be adverts for other programmes, and SKY news simply shows the same news as BBC, god forbid they should compete and try and show something interesting. 24 hour news has been a disaster for news reporting IMO, we no longer report news, we just report life or more likely, celebrity, what happened to a story being newsworthy ?
Watching European news is an eye opener, you get a lot of news from a lot of Euro countries and further out that are just never mentioned on UK news, so I wouldnt hold us up as paragons. I'd be interested to watch Indian or Chinese, or Iraq news and see the difference.
I never watch BBC myself, but I don't believe other European news on tv is much better. I'm pretty sure that at least in the Netherlands it isn't. Personally I think that education and public tv (atleast most european countries actually DO have tv that isn't directly commercial) could be a lot better here too. And I'm often a bit shocked by people's unawareness of the world around them here too, it's not that they're stupid really, sometimes they're even a lot smarter than me, I guess it has a lot to do with different interests and I've been interrested in other countries/cultures and history since I was really young.
But back to the news topic. There's this believe that watching news is good for you, but I actually pretty much disagree with that. I think that by only watching the news you'll get a very flawed view of the world, espescially with the one-sided crap of Fox News/CNN (English Al-Jazeera is seriously a bit better than that) with journalists copying eachother. News-journals are always very short too and you simply can't explain a conflict in less than 20 seconds. There are some good documentaries/books about this too. From jumping to "news" to "news" you often get a very biased flawed view of things. It's much better to just read some background articles and watch a good documentary every now and then.
Thank god for people like you.
News back in the day (hell, even 10 years ago) A journalist was a guy who went out and wrote the news as it unfolded before his/her eyes. Not completely unbias, but definately not even close to todays onslaught of two dimensional thinking. News today, is this...A ticker tape on the internet at reuters/AP headlines events and stories, and news channels take the story and generate talking points (Something akin to 1984?)...left/right right/wrong +/- 1/0. News today is exclusively designed to put two analysts on and argue back and forth to polarize its audience for ratings.
yah... so the media is dumbed down... who's to blame for that other than the people who generate the ratings...??
eductaing a nation is a hefty business, but one that should take precedence over military power, I mean its not like the US is all powerfull anymore. Chinese have the economic nuke
Any nation who has more people watching Survivor than the Olympics as they run during the same timeslot has no hope of survival. |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:23:00 - [ 74]
Originally by: Cornucopian
yah... so the media is dumbed down... who's to blame for that other than the people who generate the ratings...??
What? Noooooooooooo thats not true.  |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:27:00 - [ 75]
Edited by: Cornucopian on 27/08/2007 19:31:29 Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Cornucopian
yah... so the media is dumbed down... who's to blame for that other than the people who generate the ratings...??
What? Noooooooooooo thats not true.
crap! cant watch it here in my work laptop, dont have flash. but FOX! lol... fox doesnt broadcast the news. you know that DK edit: LAWL at the religious fanatics at fox, I just checked the reactions to the video, yeah we have same sex marriage. of course we DONT have multiple people marriage. so much for reporting the news WE ARE TEH ANTYKRIST!! A CRUSADE ON US!! KILL THE NETHERLANDS. I do believe that the fundamentalist christian south of the USA would declare a jihad, ahem crusade, on the Netherlands if they had half a chance LLLLAWL. |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:36:00 - [ 76]
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Sharupak
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:39:00 - [ 77]
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Nuyan Zahedi
Originally by: Jastra
yah... so the media is dumbed down... who's to blame for that other than the people who generate the ratings...??
eductaing a nation is a hefty business, but one that should take precedence over military power, I mean its not like the US is all powerfull anymore. Chinese have the economic nuke
Oh, I agree. But its a problem worldwide, but worst in America. Most people the world over dont get that the news is run just like any other television program. They dont make their money off of your cable bill, they make their money off of selling you (their marketed audience) to advertisers. Thats why on sports news, you get mostly beer and babe comercials, but the news is no different they do it too.
People dont understand that this reality is basically nothing more than your perspective on it. However that seems a scary ideology and so its not hard to see why most hide behind illusions of universal truths!
The problem ultimately is that people searching for their own truths scares the living crap out of those people.
As far as education...they are screwed there as well...this is my quote from page 2 which has a link attached.
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Oh, I agree. But its a problem worldwide, but worst in America. Most people the world over dont get that the news is run just like any other television program. They dont make their money off of your cable bill, they make their money off of selling you (their marketed audience) to advertisers. Thats why on sports news, you get mostly beer and babe comercials, but the news is no different they do it too.
People dont understand that this reality is basically nothing more than your perspective on it. However that seems a scary ideology and so its not hard to see why most hide behind illusions of universal truths!
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:39:00 - [ 78]
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:43:00 - [ 79]
Well so far we're discussing politics and now religion. What else can we add before this thread is locked . It appears from what I see on the front page that this is hate America week.  All I know is that no government or equivalent has ever been perfect. No nation has ever been flawless. I know that people generally tend to only look for the bad in something no matter how much positive is put out. Originally by: Sharupak
I agree with the ending of your post. However, America the government IS bad and is indirectly the cause of most of the worlds problems. When I say indirectly, what I really mean is manipulating behind the scenes. We have loads of covert operations all over the world designed to cause insurrection and false flags to cause instability in the area and provide political excuse to militarily dominate and make an area more conducive to monopolization by multinational conglomerates to gain positive control of resources.
Darn covert ops must not be very covert if the average person knows about them . Care to give some examples? And just don't say 'IRAQ DER DER DER!!' I wanna see links showing the covert ops in action. |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:45:00 - [ 80]
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:46:00 - [ 81]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
It appears from what I see on the front page that this is hate America week.
Personally I love America, but discredit where discredit due I guess. |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:47:00 - [ 82]
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:47:00 - [ 83]
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:50:00 - [ 84]
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:50:00 - [ 85]
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:54:00 - [ 86]
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:56:00 - [ 87]
Originally by: Cornucopian
to be really fair, EVERY superpower is exploitive of other nations. Uk did it when they were a superpower, the vatican did it for hundreds of years, china is doing it in africa these days and russia and america used africa as a game of chess during the cold war, its a fact of life.
Doesnt make it right. And these days, when people can easily educate themselfs on what is really going on, there is really no excuse for keeping your eyes shut anymore. The world has lots of problems, sure, but when the most powerful country in the world, the one sitting on a army large enough to take over half the planet, has leaders that exploit the media to spread lies to people... then I get kind of worried. By the way, have you heard... the Iraqi war is going well (on fox).  |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:05:00 - [ 88]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Cornucopian
to be really fair, EVERY superpower is exploitive of other nations. Uk did it when they were a superpower, the vatican did it for hundreds of years, china is doing it in africa these days and russia and america used africa as a game of chess during the cold war, its a fact of life.
Doesnt make it right. And these days, when people can easily educate themselfs on what is really going on, there is really no excuse for keeping your eyes shut anymore.
The world has lots of problems, sure, but when the most powerful country in the world, the one sitting on a army large enough to take over half the planet, has leaders that exploit the media to spread lies to people... then I get kind of worried.
By the way, have you heard... the Iraqi war is going well (on fox).
dude, worry about china, not the USA: China could nuke america in a day, without even firing a single weapon, ever heard of the economic nuke?? Economic NukeThe source looks a little dubious, I think its a washington publication, but Ive been reading more and more about this in other printed articles. china basically owns most of American debt and can kill the dollar. At the moment its just not in their best interests to do it. hellooooo depression!! If China kills the US market, the European markets will plummet into the abyss with them. |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:08:00 - [ 89]
Edited by: Sharupak on 27/08/2007 20:12:27 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Well so far we're discussing politics and now religion. What else can we add before this thread is locked . It appears from what I see on the front page that this is hate America week.
All I know is that no government or equivalent has ever been perfect. No nation has ever been flawless. I know that people generally tend to only look for the bad in something no matter how much positive is put out.
Originally by: Sharupak
I agree with the ending of your post. However, America the government IS bad and is indirectly the cause of most of the worlds problems. When I say indirectly, what I really mean is manipulating behind the scenes. We have loads of covert operations all over the world designed to cause insurrection and false flags to cause instability in the area and provide political excuse to militarily dominate and make an area more conducive to monopolization by multinational conglomerates to gain positive control of resources.
Darn covert ops must not be very covert if the average person knows about them . Care to give some examples? And just don't say 'IRAQ DER DER DER!!' I wanna see links showing the covert ops in action.
Sure, how about the war on drugs. I am to lazy to post links, but you can google Iran-Contra for starters. Its a good starter because its basically the CIA standard operating procedure for keeping south american governments on their knees. Hell you know it cant be about stopping drug trafficing when the DEA has loads of documental evidence of CIA operations to sell the drugs TO the American people to gain funding. I guess the pile of billions still wasnt enough.
Come on man, post some links. I don't wanna waste time looking it up when you aready know about the happenings! I wanna see the covert op newsletter of the week.
I am not the only one that knows about the happenings. You do to right? I mean the congressional hearings were on Live every night for weeks on end back then. It was covert ops that got busted. The fall guy of course being Good old Olly who now has a cush job as a war corespondent over there at fox snooze...wonder how he managed that? Probably would have been john poindexter but he just so happened to die at a very inconvieniant moment. That happens alot in america. If you are in the know, SUVs, airplanes, sinking ships and stray sniper bullets have an uncanny way of finding you. Here you go, you can start with this if you really need a link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_AffairA warning though, Bill Orielly talking points arent going to help you through it. |
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Posted - 2007.08.27 20:12:00 - [ 90]
Edited by: LUH 3471 on 27/08/2007 20:22:20
The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; in as much as he who knows nothing is nearer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. It is a melancholy truth that a suppression of the press could not more completely deprive the nation of its benefits than is done by its abandoned prostitution to falsehood.
President Thomas Jefferson
The course of history shows as a government grows, liberty decreases.
President Thomas Jefferson
It is well enough that the people of this nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
Henry Ford
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.
President James Madison
I am afraid that ordinary citizens will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create and destroy money; and they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of governments and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people.
R. McKenna, then Chairman of Midland Bank, London
There is no more direct way to capture control of a nation than through its credit (money) system
Mr. Phillip A. Benson, President of the American Bankers' Association, 1939
I have unwittingly ruined my country.
President Wilson, upon passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913
When you control opinion, as corporate America controls opinion in the United States by owning the media, you can make the [many] believe almost anything you want, and you can guide them.
Gore Vidal
When the people fear the government, there is Tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is Liberty.
President Thomas Jefferson
Peace can never be achieved by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein |
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