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Astus Diabolus
Minmatar
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.11 23:40:00 - [ 1]
Hi everyone,
Just letting all potential customers of Repo Industries know that they are not Mercenaries, they are, in fact, pirates.
On Tuesday 10/07/07 one of our Hulks was mining in low sec. Usually this system is fairly safe, but today, it seems that this so-called "merc" decided to commit piracy against our defenseless Hulk. The Hulk pilot was not only defenseless, but also a very new player. Magus Nebulai remorselessly destroyed the hulk then attempted to pod the pilot.
I personally went to this system to find out why he did this. Magus refused to communicate with myself until I gave him a fiery salvo of language. After this, he told me that "there was a contract" on our Hulk. I said I thought this was a lie as our corp is 1 month old, mainly high sec, and most of our pilots are newer than this.
He decided to go offline until late last night (11/07/07) AEST. He came back into the system and started a fiery exchange of words with myself, searching for my Corp members and myself while still claiming there was a contract on us.
The exchange of words rose to a level where he then proceeded to demand his CEO wardec us for this.
They are now attempting to ransom us for 150 000 000 ISK and 10 000 000 ISK per day, and demand all our pilots (who mostly have less than 1.5m SP) to go 1v1 with them.
To me, this is not the sort of actions a Mercenary corp would take to settle a dispute. In fact, I believe as Mercs they should be attempting to clear their names of piracy.
As a representative of ANZEC I invite any larger more experienced corp who wishes to stamp out piracy to aid us. We need all the help we can get with this and we would be greatful for help from anyone.
The actions of a pirate are not the same as the actions of a mercenary. |
scabbsssjr
Gallente
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation |
Posted - 2007.07.11 23:48:00 - [ 2]
1. Wrong section of the forums.
2. IBTL no corp ticker showing
3. Who says mercs can't be pirates? Some of the best mercs are pirates or former pirates.
4. How much do you actually know about mercs? You are just 1 month old ingame.
5. If a guy is soloing a hulk not aligned to a station ready to warp he deserves to lose it, he had a chance to escape, he just didn't think the guy was a threat.
6. You provoked him with your own language, why shouldn't they want to get back at you for using fiery language?  Originally by: Astus Diabolus
Hi everyone,
I personally went to this system to find out why he did this. Magus refused to communicate with myself until I gave him a fiery salvo of language.
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John MacCoy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.07.11 23:50:00 - [ 3]
Some mercs do have a small piracy gang going around if they dont have any contracts. Its stop their pilots getting bored. Doesnt mean their not mercs. |
Daszha
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.11 23:51:00 - [ 4]
Put your corp tag on or this is going to get locked. |
Astus Diabolus
Minmatar
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 00:00:00 - [ 5]
Sorry about the lack of corp in on my avi.
Honestly, I can't see the point in calling yourself a "merc" when you're going to conduct piracy. Isn't that just begging for bigger Corps to just crush you?
There was no offer of a ransom for our hulk, just blatant destruction. He didn't even take what was in the Hulk, so it was for no purpose. Just to cost our mine 130-odd million ISK. Funny thing is, they won't attack the russians up there, hell no, but hey, why not attack the small corp of aussies who aren't able to defend themselves yet.
Pirates are pirates, mercs are mercs, I don't see how difficult that is to grasp. |
scabbsssjr
Gallente
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation |
Posted - 2007.07.12 00:08:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: scabbsssjr on 12/07/2007 00:07:26 Originally by: Astus Diabolus
small corp of aussies who aren't able to defend themselves yet.
Pirates are pirates, mercs are mercs, I don't see how difficult that is to grasp.
Your thread amuses me.
If you can't defend yourself why are you out their? If you can not defend yourself where you are, than you shouldn't be their.
Their is no black and white in eve, just like RL. If the corp allows piracy they will pirate when they are board, some mercs have strict anti-piracy stuff. But wait, if they are pirates why didn't they ransom you or collect the loot (you do know allot of pirates live off their loot and if that hulk was kitted right it would be nice loot?). |
juduzz
Amarr
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.07.12 00:15:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: Astus Diabolus
Pirates are pirates, mercs are mercs, I don't see how difficult that is to grasp.
Actualy its more like mercs are just hired pirates |
Astus Diabolus
Minmatar
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 00:19:00 - [ 8]
That's exactly my point. They advertise being Mercs with morals (check their recruiting thread), but they conduct piracy that has no point other than childish destruction of a Hulk to cost a new player a lot of ISK. Noting the requirements for their recruiting: Quote:
REPO one of the few remaining independant merc corps left in Empire is currently recruiting. We well never join any merc allaince for quick easy ganking kills, we try our best to keep some kind of honour in our work and respect the majority of our targets.
and: Quote:
mature, professional and the ability to remember that this is a only a game so no smack talkers.
It seems that they are merely painting a picture of being mature contract killers, meanwhile they are acting like spiteful children. |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.07.12 00:19:00 - [ 9]
Most of your pilots have 1.5mil SP  Can I war dec you too  Anyway dude...did you think mercs originated from carebears? Of course he is going to kill a hulk in a belt. He probably thought it was bait and was hoping for a fight. Most hulk pilots have gisti shield boosters, tell me what pilot wouldn't kill it...  |
Jezala
Caldari
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O. |
Posted - 2007.07.12 00:21:00 - [ 10]
The moment you called one of us a "jew killer" we had the war dec vote put in. Failure to make amends and settle this diplomatically with a little grease (isk) will result in the war going active in about 37 hours.
Secondly, what the hell was your pilot thinking of when he decided to mine in a hulk in a 0.2 system with no security? We did you guys a favor by reprimanding said pilot and taking his toy away. |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.07.12 00:24:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: Jezala
Secondly, what the hell was your pilot thinking of when he decided to mine in a hulk in a 0.2 system with no security?
] Why do I never find hulks in belts alone  Also to the OP, you say he is a new player...well afaik, Hulks are around 600mil, so how the hell did he afford it  EVE rule 1...don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose EVE rule 2...don't ****ing ebay stuff..it will end in tears |
nickycakes
Gallente
Game-Over
Insurgency |
Posted - 2007.07.12 00:25:00 - [ 12]
you must be missing your pve wow guild about now |
juduzz
Amarr
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.07.12 00:27:00 - [ 13]
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Astus Diabolus
Minmatar
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 01:03:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Jezala
The moment you called one of us a "jew killer" we had the war dec vote put in. Failure to make amends and settle this diplomatically with a little grease (isk) will result in the war going active in about 37 hours.
We have tried to settle this diplomatically, however your CEO seems to think that every diplomatic solution given is not the answer. He is looking for a wardec, that's all. We are a primarily peaceful corp, and would like to settle this with the least amount of bloodshed as possible. I do apologise for the "jew killer" comment, however it seems your corp member failed to mention his own words towards myself. He gave as good as he received and has brought shame on your corp by claiming a sensless kill was a contract (I don't see how killing a noob miner can be contract). Anyway, if you want to settle this diplomatically, I suggest contacting our CEO. If you don't, I hope you relish the fact you are pushing people away from Eve. I mean, seriously, are all your wars fought through griefing? |
Magus Nebula
Caldari
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
Transmission Lost |
Posted - 2007.07.12 01:13:00 - [ 15]
Edited by: Magus Nebula on 12/07/2007 01:20:28
I should made a comment, since as i seem to be the reason for all of this, regardless of my intent against the hulk, i would like to point out that i do not condone in mass genocide nor have i ever. Using such terms of racism (not even in a private chat mind you, but in local), is crossing a pretty deep line, i could post all of the 20 comments made about being a "j" killer into this thread, but i feel this to be the wrong place for it. If anyone would like to see the original chat logs Eve mail me personaly and i will provide you with a copy.
Thank you and have a nice REPO day.
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ShyLion
Gallente
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O. |
Posted - 2007.07.12 01:14:00 - [ 16]
Hi Astus,
I apologize for the late reply. I understand such a loss can cause frustration, but we unfortunately can not find any indication in our logs or files of any discrepancy or combat related troubles around that time that could have been the cause of, nor helped in the case of your loss. Lacking this verification we are bound by our reimbursement policy (located at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/Repo-reimbursment.asp) which stipulates that we can only compensate through verification. Therefore, we can not do so in this case.
Please train your pilots to watch local and remind them to only fly what they are willing to lose. If you feel a recreation of the same issue would help us identify and help cure your problem, feel free to contact us again when you are in the same system with a hulk or similar ship. We would be happy to oblige. I do hope you will be able to recover from this loss as quickly as possible.
Best Regards,
ShyLion
Repo Industries Customer Support |
Dynamist
Caldari
Schrodinger's Renegades
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Posted - 2007.07.12 01:25:00 - [ 17]
I sympathise with the loss of an expensive ship. The best thing you can do is chalk it up to experience and learn from your mistake. Have no doubts.. EVE is a hostile world, and low-sec is arguably the most hostile part of EVE.
Many merc corps pirate between contracts, which is actually very similar to how mercenaries behave(d) in the real world. Lying about a contract might be a bit dodgy, but no one is going to castigate Repo for allowing piracy in low-sec unless they specifically state they do not pirate.
For now, I suggest that you either pay the ransom, apologise and hope they call it off, or try and avoid them until they get bored. Moving to a new region or having everyone temporarily join noob corps are both viable options.
General advice for low SP players in low-sec would be to move in packs. Run mining operations with scouts in neighbouring systems and pvp ships on standby. Be aligned at all times and watch local.
Its painful now, but a few hundred million is a small price to pay if your whole corp learns from one mistake.
Good luck, and welcome to EVE! |
Astus Diabolus
Minmatar
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 01:25:00 - [ 18]
We're not looking for reimbursement, we accept that our miner should have paid closer attention to local (this has been dealt with). It's more the excuse of a "contract" being put out that infuriated myself. The fact that your pilot only did this as a spiteful act.
Does your post indicate you wish to settle this amicably, without the ransom that we truely can't afford (especially after losing an expensive miner)? |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.07.12 01:28:00 - [ 19]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 12/07/2007 01:31:17 Originally by: Astus Diabolus
I do apologise for the "jew killer" comment, however it seems your corp member failed to mention his own words towards myself. He gave as good as he received and has brought shame on your corp by claiming a sensless kill was a contract (I don't see how killing a noob miner can be contract).
Are you trying to defend those racist words , tbh, I would have killed the Hulk without the insult. Seems like Repo are willing to talk to you about this, lord knows why, as you openly insulted them with this thread  Oh..once again..if he is a noob miner..how the **** did he buy a Hulk...Ebay ? Edit: Mate no one needs a second invite to gank a mining barge in a belt...contract or not. Just let it go...the Hulk pilot was an idiot. If Repo hadn't killed him, someone else would have |
Ask Unbeatable
Gallente
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2007.07.12 01:39:00 - [ 20]
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Astus Diabolus
Minmatar
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 01:39:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Oh..once again..if he is a noob miner..how the **** did he buy a Hulk...Ebay ?
Try corp funds... As for Repo wanting to discuss this, it's only been since I've posted here that they are even willing to come to the table. The intention of this thread was to get this to happen - I can see Repo don't want their name dragged through the mud because of the actions of one of their own pilots, we respect this and are willing to discuss terms of non-engagement. |
Corren'Thallion deLorian
Caldari
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
Ekliptika |
Posted - 2007.07.12 01:40:00 - [ 22]
Official Apologies have been given for the comment. Apologies were given the moment that I heard about it. AT NO POINT are we defending the use of said comment.
Attempts to solve this with words with the offending parties have been met with disrespect.
Astus was trying to keep the attention of this man who had previously been known to be a pirate to us so our mining team could get out unscathed, which by the way, succeeded.
In refference to the Hulk thing, we have 1 or 2 experienced players in the corp, how else would I be able to run the bloody thing?
Oh, and as a last note on this, as this is the last thing I'll ever say on this subject, what was said was hardly anti-semetic, and if someone goes so completely crazy over such a statement, how can they survive all the horrors of the internet? Hell, we call our good friends and neighbours in New Zealand much worse.
This is not a defence, this is an apology for the remarks, and it is my honest belief that to go to war or demand a ransom of us for this or ANY remark is nothing but griefing.
Consider the destruction of our hulk the debt repaid. |
Magus Nebula
Caldari
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
Transmission Lost |
Posted - 2007.07.12 01:44:00 - [ 23]
Originally by: Astus Diabolus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Oh..once again..if he is a noob miner..how the **** did he buy a Hulk...Ebay ?
Try corp funds...
As for Repo wanting to discuss this, it's only been since I've posted here that they are even willing to come to the table. The intention of this thread was to get this to happen - I can see Repo don't want their name dragged through the mud because of the actions of one of their own pilots, we respect this and are willing to discuss terms of non-engagement.
Actually we tried to get a hold of your CEO but he blocked most of us, and refused to speak in local. |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.07.12 01:48:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Astus Diabolus
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Oh..once again..if he is a noob miner..how the **** did he buy a Hulk...Ebay ?
Try corp funds...
Well, in that case, I can understand the scale of the loss. Hope you come to some deal with Repo My only advice for the future would be to use eve mail. That way you wouldn't have to listen to comments from people like me And am glad to see you have retracted the Jew comment. Fly safe o7 |
Karinith
Caldari
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.12 01:53:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Corren'Thallion deLorian
Oh, and as a last note on this, as this is the last thing I'll ever say on this subject, what was said was hardly anti-semetic, and if someone goes so completely crazy over such a statement, how can they survive all the horrors of the internet? Hell, we call our good friends and neighbours in New Zealand much worse.
This is not a defence, this is an apology for the remarks, and it is my honest belief that to go to war or demand a ransom of us for this or ANY remark is nothing but griefing.
Consider the destruction of our hulk the debt repaid.
REPO members just had a chat on TS about whether or not to post the log of local and we were in agreement not to post it. Then I decided I ought to take a look at that log......oh damn...now that is some inflammatory writhing there! I'll be damned if it doesn't get posted now: "hardly anti-semetic"??THE DEBT HAS NOT BEEN REPAID. You will accept the ultimatum as specified by Gabrial1 or we will forcibly see to it that the debt has been repaid in another manner. |
Astus Diabolus
Minmatar
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 01:54:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Magus Nebula
Actually we tried to get a hold of your CEO but he blocked most of us, and refused to speak in local.
This is a blatant lie. Your CEO refused to have any contact with our CEO at the time of the incident. Our CEO was not even in system, so I don't know how he could speak in local. I personally think you're just a bored pilot trying to get your corp to wardec a low SP corp. You already have 2 wars going, why waste your last one on a small insignifigant corp? I think you've been feeding your CEO lies just to satisfy your own desires. |
Magus Nebula
Caldari
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
Transmission Lost |
Posted - 2007.07.12 01:54:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Corren'Thallion deLorian
Official Apologies have been given for the comment. Apologies were given the moment that I heard about it. AT NO POINT are we defending the use of said comment.
Attempts to solve this with words with the offending parties have been met with disrespect.
Astus was trying to keep the attention of this man who had previously been known to be a pirate to us so our mining team could get out unscathed, which by the way, succeeded.
In refference to the Hulk thing, we have 1 or 2 experienced players in the corp, how else would I be able to run the bloody thing?
Oh, and as a last note on this, as this is the last thing I'll ever say on this subject, what was said was hardly anti-semetic, and if someone goes so completely crazy over such a statement, how can they survive all the horrors of the internet? Hell, we call our good friends and neighbours in New Zealand much worse.
This is not a defence, this is an apology for the remarks, and it is my honest belief that to go to war or demand a ransom of us for this or ANY remark is nothing but griefing.
Consider the destruction of our hulk the debt repaid.
1. I never once got an Apology, dont really need one though. 2. Astus was trying to keep the attention of this man who had previously been known to be a pirate to us so our mining team could get out unscathed, which by the way, succeeded. By mining team you mean the one hulk i blew up, which left me the only one in local. 2.a that doesnt give him the right to use racial terms. 3. The chat log will show the "anti-semetic" comments made. I do belive in a private chat you sad it was the same if i called someone fat. |
Astus Diabolus
Minmatar
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.12 02:01:00 - [ 28]
Originally by: Karinith
I'll be damned if it doesn't get posted now: "hardly anti-semetic"??
THE DEBT HAS NOT BEEN REPAID. You will accept the ultimatum as specified by Gabrial1 or we will forcibly see to it that the debt has been repaid in another manner.
I can see this is a lost cause, war dec away, it will make no difference to us, will just end up costing your corp funds. If you understood what anti-semetic means it would be a start. Also, you don't seem to have the logs of the original incident. I can see you have no desire of settling this amicably, nor do you have any desire to see both sides of the coin - it's ok saying "[ 2007.07.11 14:24:22 ] Magus Nebula > dont need to, ill make you come just like your mom", but heaven forbid anyone else make outrageous claims. You will find that war decing a corp that spends a lot of time in high sec space is just a waste of your own time and effort. Enjoy wasting a war on a nobody corp that won't profit you in the slightest. |
Mistress PewPew
Caldari
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.12 02:03:00 - [ 29]
Originally by: Corren'Thallion deLorian
Oh, and as a last note on this, as this is the last thing I'll ever say on this subject, what was said was hardly anti-semetic, and if someone goes so completely crazy over such a statement, how can they survive all the horrors of the internet? Hell, we call our good friends and neighbours in New Zealand much worse.
The difference being, we are not your friends, we are complete strangers, who very likely can take offense to such a statement. Just as well, CCP decides what is/is not allowed here in EVE, and it is up to them to decide what is allowed in their community. It just so happens, they are not keen on using such 'anti-semetic' terms, especially not in local chat. |
Barasu
Minmatar
Nobody Ever Really Dies
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Posted - 2007.07.12 02:04:00 - [ 30]
"Barasu grabs the popcorn and waits for the action to start or was it just verbal?." |
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