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Gojyu
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire |
Posted - 2007.06.28 07:30:00 - [ 61]
Edited by: Gojyu on 28/06/2007 07:29:30 Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
Talk about clueless. No one would make WoW TV because it is all the same stuff over and over again. WoW is just a traditional video game which happens to be online.
Here's a vastly superior article about why WoW's numbers don't mean squat in the world of MMO's:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/103/13
\ I find it telling that whilst everyone is up in arms about the bias presented in the original article, this one gets not a comment. The eve community doesn't want media coverage to be presented in a level, objective manner, it simply want it presented in any way that makes eve seem more important |
Ricdic
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:44:00 - [ 62]
Edited by: Ricdic on 28/06/2007 07:43:25 Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
2. Habbo Hotel, released 2000 - 7.5 million active users.
Thanks a lot. I was intrigued as I had never heard of this before, so I went to the site. I swear I now want to gouge my own eyeballs with a spoon, if not for the pain it would cause knowing there is not yet a braille version of Eve Online. |
Khorian
Gallente
Versatech Co.
Raiden. |
Posted - 2007.06.28 07:53:00 - [ 63]
Divide 8 mill by the number of WoW servers.
And WTF would a WoW show be about? Guild X beat Mob Y as a Serverfirst! when the Mob died, nothing changed in the World of Warcraft, except that it will now die a million more times. And there was a Battle in on of those Battlegrounds. It took 2 hours and everyone in it died about 20 times. When it was done, nothing had changed in the World of Warcraft! |
Barbaro55a
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2007.06.28 08:37:00 - [ 64]
Originally by: Lady Natacha
Originally by: Trebor Notlimah
Its not CCP's fault every 12-15 year old with grandmas's creditcard likes magic and horseriding over the emotional torment that is EvE online. If those kids played EvE Online, there would be a huge jump in suicides and emotional trauma in children. Let the children play WoW......the men (and internet chicks who are really guys) can play EvE.
yeah, letting the kids play Wow is helping...
Linkage
I just spat coffee on my computer, now i want to try WoW. |
Decimo
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2007.06.28 08:41:00 - [ 65]
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Morghana Seputila |
Posted - 2007.06.28 08:56:00 - [ 66]
Edited by: Morghana Seputila on 28/06/2007 08:59:12
Edited by: Morghana Seputila on 28/06/2007 08:58:33
least popular = if A have 2 friends in school, and B have 20003233 friends in school, then B is most popular. ;) Though that doesnt say anything bout what fun either of the 2 have, what skills, passions, etc etc. Dont go in defense course some journalist states tha fact that more people play another game than EVE - if you like EVE dont bother what he says, and spend time playing instead :)
Its a shame with all these post that looks like youre defending, and bashing other games. Instead of enjoy this one. Tbh it looks like theres envy, to a new guy coming to this forum, a post like this makes you think twice bout starting the game. |
RedClaws
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2007.06.28 23:07:00 - [ 67]
the argument I always bring up against WoW is that it doesn't matter if that game has 1 billion or 5000 subscribers since you'll only be able to play with 5000 of them on a server. If you want 5000 others you'll just need to create a new character.
Even worse: Of those 5000 you can only talk to half of them because of the childish "no communication between horde and alliance" thing.
2500 players of which probebly only 1 out of 4 is online at one time: 500 players? Heck you call that massive multiplayer online? Thats more of a glorified 64 player battlefield 2 server. |
Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.06.28 23:43:00 - [ 68]
I shudder to think what would happen if eve became popular. Can you imagine Jita with 3000 people in local? How about a fleet battle with 10k people? The lag/nodedeath would make baby jesus cry. |
UPA Terf
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted. |
Posted - 2007.06.28 23:58:00 - [ 69]
Hmm but then in another article (the link just below the bottom of the paragraph)
he calls left behind a great game..this person seems very mainstream and fundamentalist...i doubt he would go against whoever the "bigger boy" is at the time... |
Qaeded |
Posted - 2007.06.29 01:46:00 - [ 70]
He's not slamming EVE, he's just saying it hasn't pulled in the audience yet. In another article about gaming addiction, he says this: Quote:
Taking for example one of the best games over the last 90 years, Left Behind: Eternal Forces (it was either that or EVE Online) we will establish that an addictive video game is not only not possible, but impossible as well.
Point #1: You often hear the question asked, "What Would Jesus Do?" And the answer always comes back: "Kill Osama Bin Laden then make the best video game ever." Fortunately, Left Behind gives us a pretty good idea as to what kind of game the Lord will eventually make. Furthermore, because Jesus would have made it, that makes Left Behind the greatest game ever (again, not counting EVE Online, because no one can really grasp the true vastness and amazing depth of EVE).
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max bygraves |
Posted - 2007.06.29 02:10:00 - [ 71]
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.29 02:21:00 - [ 72]
Point-by-point rebuttal posting spree !  " Jalipo, an Internet TV network offering stations such as the BBC and the beheading-friendly Al Jazeera, has begun offering the first news broadcast covering only the single MMORPG world of EVE Online. With what appears to be a production budget less than "Saul of the Mole Men," the show promises to "focus on player-led news and events, as well as providing access to behind-the-scenes information on the game." The network gets its money directly from viewers as opposed to advertisers, so there's no commercials but you will need a credit card. "Basically, just a bash on the distributors of EVE-TV. While we do have reasons enough to critique EVE-TV's new distribution model, that paragraph there shows beforehand what the writer's position towards the distributer is, and hence, his bias. " And just to give you an idea of how deep the game can go, one of the biggest scandals in the world of EVE involved a player walking away with billions of Interstellar Kredits (EVE's in-game currency). Known as the "EVE Interstellar Bank Scam," a single player scammed others into investing in ISK until he had over 700 billion ISK. Sounds kinda ******ed to anyone not involved in EVE, but it was actually a major event in the course of the game. "Basically, it's some guy who didn't even BOTHER playing EVE-Online, or if he played it, sounds like he didn't get past his free trial. Also, he appears to get his "sources" from other major gaming sites, not from first-hand experience. " But the most interesting thing about the show has to be that, according to mmogchart.com, EVE Online is actually one of the least popular MMORPGs around with CCP, EVE's developer/publisher, estimating over 170,000 active members. While that number appears to be growing steadily, compare it to the massively multiplayer monolith that is World of Warcraft. With a community of about 8 million players, it makes one wonder, just how far off is a 24-hour World of Warcraft news channel? ("Next up: Orcs destroy a village of warlocks; we speak with one elf who managed to escape.") "The next point showing complete ignorance of what makes EVE, well... EVE. He seems to fail to grasp the huge impact a "no shards" world has, like his final statement is obviously showing. No, really, this article is so... not even in the same region as "newsworthy", and should be just thrown in the recycle bin. |
Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance |
Posted - 2007.06.29 02:49:00 - [ 73]
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Subordination
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Posted - 2007.06.29 02:53:00 - [ 74]
Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 29/06/2007 02:54:03I would take the community surrounding EVE Online over any other mmog's. The game is too complicated (ergo, not made to be anything like WoW) to attract as many fools as WoW has, and it receives its amount and types of players accordingly. In any case, comparing any mmog to WoW will yield similar results, no other game has 8 million players. Edit: The article is worse than you thought, look at the word before re_tarded...  |
Hammer Judge
Southern Cross Incorporated
Angels Of Discord |
Posted - 2007.06.29 03:21:00 - [ 75]
My guide is intended to help the poor souls leaving WoW, looking for a brighter day, in their first days in Eve. I'm so over WoW.
EVE FTW! |
Durn Loze |
Posted - 2007.06.29 04:20:00 - [ 76]
Edited by: Durn Loze on 29/06/2007 04:20:03
Based upon that article, the author would probably also state that Spam is better than Kobi beef because more people eat Spam.
All the writer showed was a lack of knowledge of either MMO and what makes them different experiences.
Durn |
Drofier Ilmatti
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2007.06.29 04:37:00 - [ 77]
Well, I am not too much of a forum warrior but I am going to leave a nasty rant on this article of theirs... |
Hopestealer |
Posted - 2007.06.29 04:59:00 - [ 78]
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Quick! To the Flamemobile! We cannot let such heresy stand!
Hahahahaha thats he funniest thing I've heard all day. Having just arrived today from the terrible forums and game that is Vanguard and how it got mashed by the forum love/hate wars, this article is not even worth commenting on. My consipracy theory of the day is that Wow sends out its minions to plant the seeds of discontent in a game's forums and then watches it erode (im kidding ... I think). First day review of this game: Im exhausted and happy. Keep up the good work people. |
Byronius
Caldari
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team |
Posted - 2007.06.29 05:00:00 - [ 79]
Thread's like these are always amusing to say the least.
The original report is like comparing Apples and Oranges. WoW and EVE are two completely different games, playstyles and mindsets. Regardless or not about subscriber base, as one previous poster mentioned, Blizzard has 8+ million active accounts. That is also split between a multitude of servers. EVE has 'X' many accounts, all simutaneous on one specific server.
Pro's and Con's about EVE.
Con's: If we are going to compare WoW to EVE, WoW offers a very simple style of gameplay. The game was built from the ground up to attract and hold as many subscribers as possible with a easy introduction to the MMO market. For 90% of the WoW playerbase, this is thier first MMO. It runs on most systems, brand new and older models as well. Hence the market accessibility to get to the greatest coverage.
EVE has a very in-depth learning curve in comparison to WoW. EVE requires that you actually take the time to think, even if it's just running missions to tweaking your ship, running group missions or fleet combat. WoW doesn't really require that from the starting point.
Pro's: Once again (I may sound fairly repeating) but the simplicity of WoW is a very good Pro. However, the world is very linear/non-dynamic and once you reach a certain level, its either 1.) Raid for continual gear upgrades, or 2.) Farm for faction/gold. That's it.
EVE: Dynamic world. Interacting politics/combat from different alliances actually make for a non-linear line of action. There is no 'magic planet' in EVE that one fleet of people can kill, then everyone else can farm the same event over and over for a % drop. I know I am probably not applying this as the besst example, but between the actual player interaction, market dynamics, technology and warfare make EVE a totally different beast from WoW.
And this comes from someone with 3 lvl 70's in WoW and a character here that was created in March 04.
I've simply bounced between the two games for what fits my schedule and playstyle. I find both fun in thier own paradigm. Currently, EVE fits my schedule and playstyle much better then the WoW raiding game. |
Byronius
Caldari
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team |
Posted - 2007.06.29 05:04:00 - [ 80]
Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 29/06/2007 02:54:03
I would take the community surrounding EVE Online over any other mmog's. The game is too complicated (ergo, not made to be anything like WoW) to attract as many fools as WoW has, and it receives its amount and types of players accordingly.
In any case, comparing any mmog to WoW will yield similar results, no other game has 8 million players.
Edit: The article is worse than you thought, look at the word before re_tarded...
No, that is actually a very good point. Because of that factor, and EVE being the unforgiving game it can be, it eliminates many of the 'tweakers' before they even start. The community in EVE (although some may beg to differ) is actually a thousand times better. Don't believe me? Try the WoW general forums some time. Let me know if you return with your sanity. |
Dahak2150
Arm of Orion |
Posted - 2007.06.29 05:17:00 - [ 81]
Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Naran Darkmood
be thankful that guy writes on compuer games.
If he wrote about politics, he might cause wars!
(Yes, I know, any editor with have a brain would not publish anything like that...)
well yeah, but at least then he'd probebly get assassinated and we'd never have to listen to him again.
I...um....well...I do still have infil certed.... |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE |
Posted - 2007.06.29 07:59:00 - [ 82]
mmorpg.com rates eve over wow
quality >> quantity |
Rells
Caldari
Fusillade.
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Posted - 2007.06.29 08:15:00 - [ 83]
Edited by: Rells on 29/06/2007 08:14:10
The patience, dilligence, hard work and rewards in this game arent suitable for the instant gratification generation. Hence so few young ones playing.
And thank god for that.
Eve is the best MMOG out there even if CCP has HUA over the corp UI. |
zibelthurdos
Concrete Developments
LOADED CONCRETE |
Posted - 2007.06.29 08:32:00 - [ 84]
hmm, notice how there are no Pro-WOW comments at the end of that story.
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Selena 001 |
Posted - 2007.06.29 09:21:00 - [ 85]
Article didnt seem biased.... I mean if it really wanted to bash EVE it could have made even a SLIGHT refernce to the server issues. Oh, and that comment... Originally by: Jack Target
"...according to mmogchart.com, EVE Online is actually one of the least popular MMORPGs around with CCP, EVE's developer/publisher, estimating over 170,000 active members. While that number appears to be growing steadily, compare it to the massively multiplayer monolith that is World of Warcraft."
Was complied by looking at a chart from another website... "OMG he's looked at a chart and drawn up a conclusion from the data it shows!!"  I dont see him claiming it be be true anywhere, or even saying that it has a bearing on how EVE is... It simply says WoW has more suscribers. If you needed someone to break this news to you in a tiny article about EVE you need to actually log-out once in a while. |
ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
SUECHTLER Inc.
Saints Amongst Sinners |
Posted - 2007.06.29 10:14:00 - [ 86]
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Stitcher
Caldari |
Posted - 2007.06.29 11:00:00 - [ 87]
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Sassiee
Minmatar
Empire Logistics and Holding Services
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:17:00 - [ 88]
Originally by: RedClaws
Quantity != Quality
I'll take an indepth game like EVE above your "ME have club! ME smash skulls!" type of game any day.
The only thing WoW has going for it is publicity and hype. The game offer nothing but a grind (I've tried it).
The thing that makes EVE rise far above the rest is that it is an "Extreme Game for Extreme Players" one has to actually think and that fact alone turns off alot of people. To the "Lazy Gamer" EVE can be very frustrating and IMHO that suites me just fine!  |
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