Posted - 2007.06.19 10:44:00 - [61]

 

Just bring 2x blasterthrons against the 1 target. Welcome to eve 2k7

Posted - 2007.06.19 11:00:00 - [63]

 

Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: kliop

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Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 08:18:57
i have only one thing to say

Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: Vdub2002

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so.... im all for the cpu bonus and crap, but me being gallente, only went caldari for manticore, for the 3rd launcher... so um... now that ALL the sb's have 3 launchers, WTF is manticore going to be better at? being a big ugly target?

=_=

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Buhu?

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cry me a river! u want blasterthrons to allways obliterate their target?...whatever
cryboy
i mean here u are teasing someone else when he points out that a ship that will have the same role for each race will be in every aspect worse then the other races...and u cry cause u blasterthron might loose some battles? u are

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What does the above have to do with anything in this thread? The Manticore was horribly overpowered compared to the rest of the Stealth Bombers, and now it's the same/slightly (very slightly) worse. If anything, the Manticore was buffed with all the new changes, and the other SBs were simply buffed just a little bit extra.

I'm not wanting a Blasterthron to 'win every time'. I want it to work in it's intended envelope: ultra short range combat. Right now it can't do that, much less anything else.

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it has to do everthing with it... he says that the manticore is worse in every aspect to the other sb now...and u say he is a crybaby...i say ur ship doesnt win every occasion...and u whine...so u are a cry baby...so BUHU!

see it is very easy to be like that i was hoping that if someone does to u that s*** u do u might think twice next tme...anyway not to derail ur thread..

the blasterthron already does the highest dmg afaik ... and like most things i find it balanced as it is...or if not balanced ppl are acustomed to it...as for the 1vs1...if nos was involved...well every ship gets F***** by nos...otherwise i would have thought the mega would win...and if u say about the rigs and how the other ships can tank better with them...y not do the same...it should give ur tank enough time to kill his...

Posted - 2007.06.19 11:05:00 - [65]

 

what do you expect its a tier 1 BS. nuff said.

Posted - 2007.06.19 11:31:00 - [67]

 

Edited by: hUssmann on 19/06/2007 11:30:26

Originally by: Tonkin

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the domi with its ubber nos

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Domi gets a bonus to nos? Funnily enough a heavy nos drains the same amount coming from a domi than from anything but a bhaalgorn.

Originally by: Tonkin

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2 of the best hacs

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Oh my god.

Tried fitting an ishtar lately? I'm not a big fan of small guns on my cruiser.

Posted - 2007.06.19 11:34:00 - [69]

 

Originally by: kliop

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Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: kliop

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Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 08:18:57
i have only one thing to say

Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: Vdub2002

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so.... im all for the cpu bonus and crap, but me being gallente, only went caldari for manticore, for the 3rd launcher... so um... now that ALL the sb's have 3 launchers, WTF is manticore going to be better at? being a big ugly target?

=_=

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Buhu?

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cry me a river! u want blasterthrons to allways obliterate their target?...whatever
cryboy
i mean here u are teasing someone else when he points out that a ship that will have the same role for each race will be in every aspect worse then the other races...and u cry cause u blasterthron might loose some battles? u are

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What does the above have to do with anything in this thread? The Manticore was horribly overpowered compared to the rest of the Stealth Bombers, and now it's the same/slightly (very slightly) worse. If anything, the Manticore was buffed with all the new changes, and the other SBs were simply buffed just a little bit extra.

I'm not wanting a Blasterthron to 'win every time'. I want it to work in it's intended envelope: ultra short range combat. Right now it can't do that, much less anything else.

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it has to do everthing with it... he says that the manticore is worse in every aspect to the other sb now...and u say he is a crybaby...i say ur ship doesnt win every occasion...and u whine...so u are a cry baby...so BUHU!

see it is very easy to be like that i was hoping that if someone does to u that s*** u do u might think twice next tme...anyway not to derail ur thread..

the blasterthron already does the highest dmg afaik ... and like most things i find it balanced as it is...or if not balanced ppl are acustomed to it...as for the 1vs1...if nos was involved...well every ship gets F***** by nos...otherwise i would have thought the mega would win...and if u say about the rigs and how the other ships can tank better with them...y not do the same...it should give ur tank enough time to kill his...

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Indeed, you have everything exactly wrong. The Manticore was horribly overpowered (I guess I have to keep repeating myself, as you're too stupid to comprehend what I say) and the other bombers were improved to match it. The idiot whines that his bomber is no longer 50% more powerful than all the rest, even though the Manticore still does a great job.

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. If it were comparable, it would be like the Manticore's DPS being reduced so much that it could never kill anything before it was killed itself. Now *that* would be a similar comparison.

I don't want the Blasterthron to win every time. I just want it to be good at it's specified role. CCP's changes to ammo, HP, DPS, rigs etc. have made the Blasterthron ineffective. It can no longer kill a target decisively once it gets into range.

And there is no amount of tanking that will solve the problem for blaster ships. Once you're out of cap, you're dead. The only answer is to kill as fast as possible. It's like you guys don't even fly Blasterthrons or something. You appear to not know WTF you're talking about.

Come to think of it, I guess you don't, since you obviously don't fly them. Maybe you shouldn't speak on subjects you know nothing about.

Posted - 2007.06.19 11:38:00 - [71]

 

Originally by: hUssmann

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Edited by: hUssmann on 19/06/2007 11:30:26

Originally by: Tonkin

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the domi with its ubber nos

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Domi gets a bonus to nos? Funnily enough a heavy nos drains the same amount coming from a domi than from anything but a bhaalgorn.

Originally by: Tonkin

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2 of the best hacs

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Oh my god.

Tried fitting an ishtar lately? I'm not a big fan of small guns on my cruiser.

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Me either.

What is even more amusing is that the Abaddon/Rokh/Maelstrom can all fit **way** more Nos than the Domi can, because they have the grid/CPU. You can easily fit 4x heavy nos and 4x guns (or launchers in the case of the Rokh), while the Domi is left fitting 2x heavy nos, and 4x medium nos at the most.

I guess me and you hUss are the only two guys on the forum who get it.

Posted - 2007.06.19 11:41:00 - [73]

 

Originally by: murder one

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I guess me and you hUss are the only two guys on the forum who get it.

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Would you like to snuggle in my hanger?

Posted - 2007.06.19 11:57:00 - [75]

 

NOS is changed as of today ( well when the patch is completed ) so this thread is pointless and a total waste of time.

So , why not wait for the patch , evaluate combat with the nos changes then have a ship discussion that is actually relevant ?

Posted - 2007.06.19 12:05:00 - [77]

 

I think if you'd have specialized in just Gallente instead of spreading it about with at least another 2 races you'd feel a little bit better about them.

cross training so very easy when you have high sp it really don't make a difference to using a ship I can fly the same 3 races and 2 of em at lvl 5 and gal will soon be trained to lvl 5 bs - cos all my other 'base' skills work with other ships and starting with min gave me a good start as I had to train guns/missiles, so with a few extra skill u r just as good in any of the three race ships.

I just got a hyper so cannot comment on it, but I will say cap is a real issue

Posted - 2007.06.19 12:16:00 - [79]

 

Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 12:16:53

Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: kliop

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Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: kliop

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Edited by: kliop on 19/06/2007 08:18:57
i have only one thing to say

Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: Vdub2002

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so.... im all for the cpu bonus and crap, but me being gallente, only went caldari for manticore, for the 3rd launcher... so um... now that ALL the sb's have 3 launchers, WTF is manticore going to be better at? being a big ugly target?

=_=

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Buhu?

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cry me a river! u want blasterthrons to allways obliterate their target?...whatever
cryboy
i mean here u are teasing someone else when he points out that a ship that will have the same role for each race will be in every aspect worse then the other races...and u cry cause u blasterthron might loose some battles? u are

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What does the above have to do with anything in this thread? The Manticore was horribly overpowered compared to the rest of the Stealth Bombers, and now it's the same/slightly (very slightly) worse. If anything, the Manticore was buffed with all the new changes, and the other SBs were simply buffed just a little bit extra.

I'm not wanting a Blasterthron to 'win every time'. I want it to work in it's intended envelope: ultra short range combat. Right now it can't do that, much less anything else.

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it has to do everthing with it... he says that the manticore is worse in every aspect to the other sb now...and u say he is a crybaby...i say ur ship doesnt win every occasion...and u whine...so u are a cry baby...so BUHU!

see it is very easy to be like that i was hoping that if someone does to u that s*** u do u might think twice next tme...anyway not to derail ur thread..

the blasterthron already does the highest dmg afaik ... and like most things i find it balanced as it is...or if not balanced ppl are acustomed to it...as for the 1vs1...if nos was involved...well every ship gets F***** by nos...otherwise i would have thought the mega would win...and if u say about the rigs and how the other ships can tank better with them...y not do the same...it should give ur tank enough time to kill his...

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Indeed, you have everything exactly wrong. The Manticore was horribly overpowered (I guess I have to keep repeating myself, as you're too stupid to comprehend what I say) and the other bombers were improved to match it. The idiot whines that his bomber is no longer 50% more powerful than all the rest, even though the Manticore still does a great job.

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. If it were comparable, it would be like the Manticore's DPS being reduced so much that it could never kill anything before it was killed itself. Now *that* would be a similar comparison.

I don't want the Blasterthron to win every time. I just want it to be good at it's specified role. CCP's changes to ammo, HP, DPS, rigs etc. have made the Blasterthron ineffective. It can no longer kill a target decisively once it gets into range.

And there is no amount of tanking that will solve the problem for blaster ships. Once you're out of cap, you're dead. The only answer is to kill as fast as possible. It's like you guys don't even fly Blasterthrons or something. You appear to not know WTF you're talking about.

Come to think of it, I guess you don't, since you obviously don't fly them. Maybe you shouldn't speak on subjects you know nothing about.

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someone would have to be stupid to say that cause something might have been or not overpowered it now has to be worse then the rest...anyway gallente are fine as it is..specially the bs of them... any more dmg and u guys will outdamge the other races bs (no matter the dmg kind) without u wearing any dmg mods and them wearing..which is wrong..u pay with fittings for ur dmg u cant have anything
EDIT am done with bumping that useless thread anymore...cause i dont think the blasterthrn need anything more if it isnt the solowtfpwnmobile...

Posted - 2007.06.19 12:19:00 - [81]

 

Every now and again I dip my toe into blasterships, and every time I die badly, with no cap. Even at 20m SP it doesn't seem worth it.

Posted - 2007.06.19 12:27:00 - [83]

 

Originally by: murder one

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Originally by: E Vile

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Edited by: E Vile on 19/06/2007 08:09:52
Sorry, but you are completely full of it.

No Tier 3 BS is "Cheap and easy" to fit. No way.
All Tier 3 BS are far more expensive and AT LEAST just as skill intensive to fly correctly.

Amarr are FAR from worthless. The abaddon and geddon can be very effective with PROPER SKILLS, and SMART PLAY.

This game has so many whiners. Reminds me of the people that ruined Star Wars Galaxies.

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I can fit a Hype or Maelstrom or Rokh using all T2 modules, with no faction mods required. The Maelstrom and Rokh I can fit with modules that are *way* cheaper than what I need to use to fit my Hype or Mega.

That is the definition of cheap and easy. I have never had any fitting problems with the Rokh or Maelstrom. That's the definition of 'easy'.

Ships that don't take that many SP to fly well: Rokh, Domi, Phoon (Phoon takes a little more to fly well than the other two). All are Nos boats, all fits use missiles and and nos or drones and nos. No guns, no gunnery SP required.

This isn't speculation. This is direct first hand experience. Right now I'm finishing out large blaster spec to 5, just for that extra 2% DPS. Maybe it will help.

The faction ammo available from the LP stores might be just the thing needed to revive the Blasterthron. Using Void really hurts it.

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A Rokh may not need many skills to fly in a fleet, but try flying it anywhere BUT a fleet. Those things are hurting in tight battles under 30km, unless you're flying a half-assed Dominix fit with massive NOS and T2 drones.

Posted - 2007.06.19 12:31:00 - [85]

 

Edited by: LUH 3471 on 19/06/2007 12:59:29
ccp it is most embarrissing that u still havent fixed nos and that u have nerfed eanms in an attempt to boost amarr.
regarding that matter u have completly ignored the major of the community.

instead u bring us worthless things like eve voice. how much percent of the players are actually using it ??

it is indeed a slap into the face of your own community and an insult to our intelligence.

change focus more to the community, ccp.

afterall that is where the cash is.

now replace that complete (...), who has been in charge of balancing this things and focus more on the community, in order to maximize the cash-flow/beer-flow.

it is really that simple ccp.

in the end beer will flow in masses forever and ever and a thousand virgins (...)

this is what the oracle at delphi said.

Posted - 2007.06.19 12:42:00 - [87]

 

Most all races can make a simular plea that there ship is gimped compaired to another. Such as Ammar have cap issues and only 3 mids to work with. And Caldari can have a shield tank but in order to match the resits of an armor tanker they have use up all there mids + use more cap. (except passive tankers which have to rely on amount of shields and not nessary resists).

While I have mostly flew caldari in the past I found out they were very good npc'ers but when it came to pvp I was disapointed because I'd ether be able to tank by using up my mids, or I could tank less and throw in a scrambler or a dampner.. etc etc. It's all about balance. A caldari raven pilot should just accept that they can't tank and participate in alot of e/w at the same time (web/scrm/disruptor/dampen).

As a blasterthon perhaps you should look for other ways to solve the issue.. perhaps you should just drop the mwd and go all tank with cap injectors. You have to relay others to put you into postion on a target enemy when landing from warp etc etc.

Posted - 2007.06.19 13:12:00 - [89]

 

Originally by: Tonkin

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am i reading this right someone wants gallente boosted!!!

they have the best drones one of the best snipers, the domi with its ubber nos, best carrier, best mothership, 2 of the best hacs and the best crusier

so come again?

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Most players will never touch the capitals, last I checked the rupture was minmatar , and
not all of us want to be stuck with drone boats.

Blaster setups that really rely on killing speed have taken a hit with the hit point boost. Hopefully heat will give them the slightest of boosts and get people to actually put guns on their ships.

Droneboats really need to be weened away from nos, yes, but there's nothing fundamentally imbalanced about drones themselves.