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Topic |
Blazewynd |
Posted - 2007.05.28 20:14:00 - [ 1]
I'm new to the game, been doing agent missions. Not big into mining at the moment. I have Frigate III, and I'm currently piloting a Slasher at the moment. What ship should I get next to last me until I hit the cruiser stage? |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:16:00 - [ 2]
Thrasher, many people malign destroyers but they are the best platform for lvl 1 missions
and if you are in heimatar look the HSC up in Pator, you might like joining up with us |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:16:00 - [ 3]
First off, the "Mini Pilot" should be EVE's new word for "noob pilots"  Second...i think rifter is the way to go, frigate wise...but that's just an amarr talking here |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:19:00 - [ 4]
cant fly a rifter with frigate 3 iirc, if you are looking for a temporary frigate boost while you train, the vigil has a good fitting loadout (nice slots, cpu+powergrid are decent) |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:21:00 - [ 5]
 Originally by: Tortun Nahme
cant fly a rifter with frigate 3 iirc,
Scary, i know more about minnie frigates then a...minnie Actually you can fly it. Hensh why i said it |
Blazewynd |
Posted - 2007.05.28 20:23:00 - [ 6]
So the Rifter until I can learn Destroyers? What is the order in which i can get larger ships? Frigate to Destroyer to Cruiser or does it really matter past Frigate? |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:23:00 - [ 7]
had to check, coulda swore it took frig 4 but i bow before your wisdom, its just been too long since I flew a tech 1 frig  |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Umbra Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:25:00 - [ 8]
you dont need destroyer to learn cruisers, its kind of an on the side class |
R'olyat
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:27:00 - [ 9]
You don't NEED destroyers at all, but they are kind of like an inbetween ship.
The hierarchy is:
Frigate>Destroyer>Cruiser>Battlecruiser>Battleship>Tech II Ships>Capital Ships |
Blazewynd |
Posted - 2007.05.28 20:42:00 - [ 10]
So the consensus is to go for the Rifter, until I reach Cruiser capability? |
Alex Under
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities |
Posted - 2007.05.28 21:20:00 - [ 11]
What is really important Blazewynd, is that you fly what you like and are comfortable flying. My suggestion to you, would be to fly them all, give them all a fair chance. Learn the various differences between them and from there form your own opinion and fly what you're most comfortable with. Enjoy the game and don't be so quick to jump into the next class of ships. Learn one class of ships, master it well and then move onto the next class of ships. Too many 'new pilots' make the mistake of rushing to Battleships without giving the rest of them a try. Have fun!  |
Stakhanov
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS |
Posted - 2007.05.28 22:07:00 - [ 12]
Rifter > all. I think it's the single most cost effective ship (when counting module prices)
You can fit it extra cheap for mundane tasks (ratting) or you can fit T2 to make it more potent. Expert pilots have been known to do level 3 missions with it. |
Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
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Posted - 2007.05.28 22:10:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Blazewynd
So the consensus is to go for the Rifter, until I reach Cruiser capability?
could also skip the cruiser and go for assault frigate, would also allow you to focus your gunnery skills on small guns. EvE is not a linear progression game, you can choose any ship you like flying and become pretty damn good at them. Ive seen many players focus on the Jaguar/Wolf while they get their support skills in order and then progress to Battlecruisers or other Tech2 ships. Well anyway, it's not linear, if you like flying the rifter then you should consider training for assault frigs they are extremely fun. |
HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2007.05.28 22:14:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Blazewynd
So the consensus is to go for the Rifter, until I reach Cruiser capability?
yes! rifter is such a great ship. I'd wager it to be the best t1 frig in the game. I've seen those t1 beauties pop t2 interceptors multiple times in pvp. In fact, a goon or RA (cant remember) almost schooled my pimped out claw a month or so ago, (he would have killed me if my buddy didn't swoop in in his ceptor and finish the rifter off. I was shocked (though i shouldn't have been)... they are simply badass. Learn to fly her well and you'll be more than prepared for the stabber when you get cruiser capable. |
Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar
Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2007.05.28 23:52:00 - [ 15]
I am an experienced frigate pilot. I flew rifters from almost day one (give a week or so to train them up) and I continued to fly them for over a year. From there I moved to assault frigates (love the Wolf) and furthered my ship improvement skills.
The rifter is an excellent ship to start with and stick with. Fast, agile, and can be loaded up with a large amount of fire power for it's size and class. Prior to the LvL 4 missions being introduced, I used to fly my rifter in lvl 3 missions and have fun (mind you I had a lot of points in Engineering, Electronics, Mechanic, and Gunnery).
I tried a Battleship once. Once. After flying in fast frigates with hard hitting power, I damn near cried at the slowness of it all. I have only recently upgraded to Battle Cruisers to rat in 0.0 (plus the Hurricane just looks freaking cool).
So my advice is to stick with a rifter until you can improve it no more, and then move up. After the time spent in a rifter, a stabber is like buying a new pair of your favorite jeans.
Good luck |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:57:00 - [ 16]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/05/2007 09:09:18I would like to correct some of the statemeents here: Uber, bestest, nicest, greatest and other synonyms describing the rifter as a frigate compared to other race frigates should be changed to "overpowered" Especially if you look at the bloody roleplay aspect of it. |
Siloh |
Posted - 2007.05.29 09:08:00 - [ 17]
Edited by: Siloh on 29/05/2007 09:08:03
Punisher isn't a bad mission runner either if you don't mind it not being minmatar
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Reasons being it can take a heluva beating and has LOADS of powergrid for all them tasty modules
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar
Band Of Bonkers
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Posted - 2007.05.29 09:26:00 - [ 18]
Frigate-> Level 1 missions
Cruiser-> Level 1 and Level 2 missions will next to no effort (Cruiser with smart bombs FTW in level 1's)
Battlecruiser-> Level 3 missions, especially drake
Battleship (And I found the drake at times)-> Level 4's.
Oh, and rifter for throw away PVP, its a fun ship. |
Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc. |
Posted - 2007.05.29 09:34:00 - [ 19]
Rifter is arguably THE best all round Tech 1 Frig in game. It is beyond argument that it is an excellent low cost Frig.
While it is not T2, PLENTY of folks with over 40mil skill points will hop into one as a "ship of choice" when they want a cheap Frig class ship that can still do some damage and survive more often than you might expect.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc. |
Posted - 2007.05.29 09:41:00 - [ 20]
Another point
Except for some NPCing, plenty of hardcore veterans PREFER frigate sized ships for PvP. Think of ships as "Tools for a Job" and the Modules as "Tool Attachments".
Pick the right tool for what you are trying to do.
Fit the right attachments
Kick ass
(Surprisingly like RL military equipment)
And some Newbies often need to be reminded of: "Bigger is often NOT better" (Having said that, sometimes you do want a Battleship, but often a Frig might be the better choice, even when you have 40 million skill points)
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Siloh |
Posted - 2007.05.29 09:58:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Bigger is often NOT better
Ah, no you see, I have it on good authority that's actually just what they tell you so you don't feel bad |
Happster
Polaris Project |
Posted - 2007.05.29 10:21:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Blazewynd
I'm new to the game, been doing agent missions. Not big into mining at the moment. I have Frigate III, and I'm currently piloting a Slasher at the moment. What ship should I get next to last me until I hit the cruiser stage?
I would say it all depends on what you want and what you like. One thing is for sure though. If you gonna do missions for your income, Caldari is best race to go. Raven + Torps rules them all. Its a winner. Same for npcing (ratting) Minmatars are kind of hard race to play. They got a few good small ships, but as you come up to BS, they both loose the power and the abillity to tank well. CCP has made Minmatars something in between everything and not good at anything. They got a few good ships as Vagabond, Huginn, Rapier, Rupture. But, none of these ships except maybe the Rupture is a high dps ship for its class nor good tanker. This is how i see the different races in short terms: Minmatars: Some cool ships. Vagabond (fast), Rupture(pawn), Rifter(fast), Huginn /Rapier (awsome at catching targets when at gate camps) Tempest, one of the Minmatar BS, is in my eyes best sniper around. Caldari: Best mission / ratter race by far. Easy to train and do well in. Can be hard to pvp in, as most ships are shield tank and makes it hard to tackel. Best EW race. Also got the best sniper range wise. An awsome BC (Drake). Again, very easy race to start with as you can perfom well very early. Amarr: Has some really good tankers and gankers. Has taken over the alpha strike from minnies. You cant usally fit both gank and tank on this race. But if you go all out on one of them they can do very high damage. Or put up one hell of a tank. Got some cool ships. Think Geddon is my favourit as it can deal so much damage. Gallente: Best pvp race in my eyes. Takes a time to train, same as minmatars and amarr. Got some awsome ships. Megathron, hyperion and the domi. All very nice BS. All can deal lots of lots of damage. Also got the best BC. In my eyes this BC does too much dps to be a BC, but thats me. If you want to fly around and be uber ganker. This is the race. 0.0 space is usally BS space. You outdamage everyone in this race. Some choose race because of RP factors, other because ships looks cool. Others because of the stuff that the ships can do. You just need to figure out what you want to do. Then pick the race you feel is the closest to that task. As you see. Some race are better at solo ganks, others are better at fleet combat. Others again at npcing and mission. One thing is for sure. You wont be able to pick a race thats best in everything :) Good luck in your picking and game. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:26:00 - [ 23]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/05/2007 10:26:00 Originally by: Siloh
Edited by: Siloh on 29/05/2007 09:08:03
Punisher isn't a bad mission runner either if you don't mind it not being minmatar
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Reasons being it can take a heluva beating and has LOADS of powergrid for all them tasty modules
Have to wonder what the upcoming amarr boost does to the punisher in the whole "best frigate around", not to mention it's lovely *hugs hugs HUGS* assault ship versions If they reduce cap needs, or increase cap recharge...well..basicly touch the cap, the vengeance will become quite a force to be reckoned with. |
Archeausz
Silver Monkeys
Mass Destruction. |
Posted - 2007.05.29 10:33:00 - [ 24]
sheriff, how can mini be noob pilots when none be them ...
-Mini look abit dodgey
-They are the best and most hardest pvp race to control
-Training and patience for mini is a must, noobs like to jump straight into ships and pvp with civilian mods...
So re-think |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
|
Posted - 2007.05.29 11:03:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Archeausz
sheriff, how can mini be noob pilots when none be them ...
-Mini look abit dodgey
-They are the best and most hardest pvp race to control
-Training and patience for mini is a must, noobs like to jump straight into ships and pvp with civilian mods...
So re-think
Well...you see...minnie, is the nickname for minmatar. Mini on the other hand means tiny, not big...s-m-all |
Alski
Ministers Of Destruction. |
Posted - 2007.05.29 11:42:00 - [ 26]
I would say the Rifter is by far the best T1 frigate in the game, flown by noobies and vets alike, lots of firepower, very versitile fitting options, and damn fast, you can't go wrong with a Rifter |
Umit Davala
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:29:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Archeausz
sheriff, how can mini be noob pilots when none be them ...
-Mini look abit dodgey
-They are the best and most hardest pvp race to control
-Training and patience for mini is a must, noobs like to jump straight into ships and pvp with civilian mods...
So re-think
Well...you see...minnie, is the nickname for minmatar. Mini on the other hand means tiny, not big...s-m-all
Do you get a mini pilot when /played = 365 days? Sorry... Yes, the Rifter is sooper dooper. |
ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless. |
Posted - 2007.05.29 12:58:00 - [ 28]
rifters are gorgeous ships to fly. punishers are similarly gorgeous, but more PvE orientated i fink.
vigils make suprisingly good fleet tacklers, despite being made of paper.
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Blazewynd |
Posted - 2007.05.29 17:53:00 - [ 29]
Would the Amar be a better starting race for a new player? I'd like to be different as far as what the general player base is. |
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