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Topic |
Kadrush |
Posted - 2007.05.05 13:28:00 - [ 1]
Personaly I am a mission runner, know some reason to do missions and keep doing.
-Bounty, and serpentis extravaganza gaves almost 10million in rat bounty for me yesterday, plus mission rewardm the downside is the loot, very often horrible.
-Lp´s, you dont get them ratting in 0.0, no offers, no standing increase with specific faction.
-Storylines, last one gave me a 40million isk implant.
-Low risk of being shoot by other players
-Station to rearm, drop your stuff, change ships and so on.
Downsides
-Take to long
-You need an ubber tank to survive
-Sometimes you need to run from a full aggro
-Lonely, after some time boring.
I tried to rat and never made the same ammount of money that I did from missions. Dunno if I am missing something and therefore I am asking for someone with experience in them both to do a deep comparison for me. (planning to take my alt to 0.0)
Thanks in advance. |
Marroquina |
Posted - 2007.05.05 14:01:00 - [ 2]
You can always find an officer rat in deep 0.0, can you do the same in empire? |
Kyoi
Shuttles Dont Tank Well |
Posted - 2007.05.05 14:13:00 - [ 3]
Ive ratted for months in 0.0 and never found an officer spawn... |
umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob. |
Posted - 2007.05.05 14:23:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Kyoi
Ive ratted for months in 0.0 and never found an officer spawn...
Try delve Yes im serious You will see a dread spawn every few days normally while ratting guristas... Go rat those amarr bastards and you will see faction spawns regularly. |
Kye Do'lan
Gallente
Order of the Domain
The Polaris Syndicate |
Posted - 2007.05.05 14:23:00 - [ 5]
I ratted for about 6 months in 0.0 and came across 3 commander spawns..a few bil in isk...so keep at it and all the best
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Plutoinum
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis |
Posted - 2007.05.05 14:42:00 - [ 6]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 05/05/2007 14:44:47
The quality of npc spawns depends on the true security level of the system for most of 0.0.
But some regions are an exception and you can get the highest bounty (standard) rats in any system. Triple Seraphim spawns in Curse come into my mind. You can run into them at any gate, even if the system has only a true security level of -0.01.
Seems to work the same way with officers. I think any systems, where usual npcs with the highest bounties spawn gives you also the chance to get an officer. Forget the other systems.
But that's just how I have it experienced so far in 0.0. Got several officers in Curse myself, like some of my mates, have heard of officers in the top ratting system in Scalding Pass (-0.9 true sec level), but have never heard of any officer in a crap system, where you don't find high bounty spawns in general.
(edit: faction spawns and haulers are different, they seem to spawn everywhere, just their quality depends on the quality of the system. In curse you can get a lot of carrier haulers, that drop a lot of cans, in a crap system in another region more bulkers, that drop only little. ) |
Boci
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2007.05.05 14:47:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Boci on 05/05/2007 14:43:25
I spent almost a full year in Delve and Querious ratting the belts usually in a -1 or close to it system, not a single DB Officer, and only 4 or 5 DB spawns.
On the other hand I knew people who were getting 2 to 4 officers a month *shrug*
That being said, I actually found 0.0 ratting to produce ISK faster then level 4s for me. |
sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2007.05.05 16:14:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Kyoi
Ive ratted for months in 0.0 and never found an officer spawn...
I've npc'd for years and never found an officer spawn yet :). |
Swirler
Nex Exercitus |
Posted - 2007.05.05 16:17:00 - [ 9]
Time is the key factor. You make money faster NPCing then you ever could running missions. The missions just take too long. |
TheEndofTheWorld
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.05 16:48:00 - [ 10]
Go Stain. Rat there. I personally rat there(with and alt) and have killed a total of ~25 officer spawns and countless TS spawns in my time in EVE(late 2k4 char).
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Marquis Dean
Caldari
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.05.05 16:56:00 - [ 11]
Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld
I personally rat there(with and alt) and have killed a total of ~25 officer spawns
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J'Mkarr Soban |
Posted - 2007.05.05 17:00:00 - [ 12]
What's the dangers? I mean I've been in the game 4 years, and the longer I am in the game, the less I want to go into 0.0. At the start it was good and fun, the rats were a nice challenge, and you weren't ganked trying to get there. What about now? How do I get me and my stuff into 0.0 without dying?
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TheEndofTheWorld
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.05 18:32:00 - [ 13]
Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 05/05/2007 18:29:36 Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban
What's the dangers? I mean I've been in the game 4 years, and the longer I am in the game, the less I want to go into 0.0. At the start it was good and fun, the rats were a nice challenge, and you weren't ganked trying to get there. What about now? How do I get me and my stuff into 0.0 without dying?
0.0 ratting is soooo easy. Any half-decent HAC/BC/BS/CS will have about 0 problems tanking and killing any spawns in game. Getting to a good-emptyish system might take some time, but with a shuttle scout you won't die. Fit cloak on your ratting ship and SS + cloak as soon as you see anyone in local. => You will never die. Never take risks, e.g I won't bother scouting with a shuttle scout alt or the 1 year old rookie corp char in local can't possibly be a recon alt etc. Shuttle scouts and SS + Cloak will make you near IMPOSSIBLE to kill. You just have to know how to pick a system. No, not all good systems are overblobbed, there are plenty of good systems to use and... get rich. (PS npc regions are niice) |
SiJira |
Posted - 2007.05.08 00:13:00 - [ 14]
so a random officer rat is what will average out your profit to more than missions |
Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium |
Posted - 2007.05.08 00:19:00 - [ 15]
Some people get really good at mission running to the point they can do a full lvl 4 mission like vengance in an hour or less.
The trick is having ultra good mods, working in low sec, where pay is higher and lag is lower and often where agents are of better quality (though clearly you have to be able to defend yourself) and getting efficient about looting. Having dedicated loot and salvage ships mean after a while you make a tonne of rigs as well as being able to fund your own rig buying, make your own ammo etc.
Add LP and you find that unless you get lucky on some uber spawn....
Some people will never get lucky and I'm one of them, so missions for me
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
KenZoku |
Posted - 2007.05.08 00:21:00 - [ 16]
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium |
Posted - 2007.05.08 00:23:00 - [ 17]
Also, storylines suck if you do too many in a row.
I did low sec lvl 4 highest Q kill, and after the 3rd or 4th storyline in as many days I'd gone from 40mil + mindlink kill mission to hauling (I kid you not) metal scraps for 10mil and no bonus
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point. |
Posted - 2007.05.08 00:25:00 - [ 18]
i prefer the spread of the salvage in missions aswell... unless you're 0.0'ing angels (annoyed trit bars) or amarr-types (melted cap thinges), it's not exactly uhhh "promising"
same goes for loot aswell, of course |
Dahin
Maza Nostra
HELL4S |
Posted - 2007.05.08 00:35:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: umop 3pisdn
Originally by: Kyoi
Ive ratted for months in 0.0 and never found an officer spawn...
Try delve
Yes im serious
You will see a dread spawn every few days normally while ratting guristas...
Go rat those amarr bastards and you will see faction spawns regularly.
You mean fountain? A group of 2-3 people consistently found an OFFICER every day for about the 2 weeks that they ratted there. 1-2 days they even managed to kill 2 officers. They did rat on avg 6hrs a day tho. Note that this was not some god-forsakened end of fountain, but right in the core in a station system. The rumours of the riches of fountain are not exaggerated. |
DiuxDium
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm |
Posted - 2007.05.08 00:54:00 - [ 20]
It is my firm belief that each account has # attached to it. And only certain #'s can trigger an Officer Spawn.
I also believe these numbers affect the Bounties on the Spawns. My # = Battle Cruiser Spawns. Regardless of True Sec.
This is my belief, and it is truth. Also, level 4 missions are way more profitable (and much safer) than 0.0 ratting, especially when you consider LP rewards. At least for me, to the lucky chaps who happen to come across officer spawns, their stories are likely different than mine I suppose. |
Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2007.05.08 00:58:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: umop 3pisdn
Originally by: Kyoi
Ive ratted for months in 0.0 and never found an officer spawn...
Try delve
I lived in Delve for around 5 months, only saw like one commander and it was a crappy BC that dropped ~10m worth of loot. But then again, I wasnt exactly hitting the belts 24/7 on account of me being horribly lazy.  Anyway, my take on it is this. If you can uber-tank with loads of rigs/expensive gear, you can prolly make more from grinding out L4 nonstop. 0.0 is more easily managed with a cheaply fit BS/BC. Also, assuming you have a base out there you can get loads of minerals from hauler spawns and loot, particularly amarr/minnie regions as those guns melt for far more than rails/missles. |
SiJira |
Posted - 2007.05.08 03:25:00 - [ 22]
I dont know about you guys but
getting ~10-15% less is fine with me (if you only get those officer spawns once in a while)
because since both missions and ratting are boring i would rather the more routine like ratting than the having to follow some new directions with missions
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2007.05.08 04:38:00 - [ 23]
I can mission in empire semi-AFK..it makes alot less ISK then 0.0 but its safer, and i need to cash in on my LP. (waiting for that super-duper offer, heh) |
Sinder Ohm
Demonic Corp
G00DFELLAS |
Posted - 2007.05.08 08:20:00 - [ 24]
There is also many different techniques to ratting so you get the best results, some people may not know these and therefore get less faction spawns although there is also a great deal of luck involved.
Missioning I find extremely boring exept with the very hard missions where you can push your pimped out faction bs to the limit.
There is also the odd chance that you find faction loot in the bonus stages of Guristas and angel extravaganza but I havent found anything fantastic tbh. |
Dominique Vasilkovsky
Gallente
BFG Tech |
Posted - 2007.05.08 09:21:00 - [ 25]
The third option is lvl 4 missions in NPC controlled 0.0 regions, the amount of LP you get there is sick. |
Gefex
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2007.05.08 10:05:00 - [ 26]
Exploration complexes are where the money is in 0.0
Also with a dedicated salvaging/looting alt, you can non-stop chain belts just taking out the battleships, the money CAN be really good. Certainly more profitable than mission bounties and rewards.
The thing that tips the scale are the guaranteed story lines and loyalty point offers. The best comparison in 0.0 ratting is the legendary officer spawn, which is very rare and in no way guaranteed.
I think with the upcoming mission/complex/exp site changes some risk/reward balance will be redressed. But at the moment its all well out of whack. |
Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:08:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky
The third option is lvl 4 missions in NPC controlled 0.0 regions, the amount of LP you get there is sick.
People doing even lvl3's in NPC 0.0 regions in a throwaway drake setup can make far far more isk/hour than Motsu crew in their Pimp Navy Ravens. Pirate offers alone make it all worthwhile. |
Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.05.08 10:28:00 - [ 28]
Pirate missions > 0.0 ratting > empire level 4s = low sec level 4s (unless you have the system(s) more or less locked down)
Empire level 4s used to make more than 0.0 but with so many farmers the value of loyalty points has fallen tremendously. |
Hornymatt |
Posted - 2007.05.08 10:59:00 - [ 29]
Thanks to jump clones I split my time between mission running (carebear mode) in high sec and ratting in 0.0. Occasionally I run a few missions in low sec too where I also have a clone. Ratting in 0.0 is by far more lucrative for me these days as long as you take a few precautions (only lost 2 ships since I've been out that way). Ratting also has the advantage of grabbing a quick hour's play whereas this is not an option for me missioning as I am a compulsive looter and salvager - I just can't seem to let those cans and wrecks go. Missioning in low sec does pay well, but seems to be the riskier of the 3 options and it's difficult to progress with a mission when you're dodging people who want to do bad things to you If they ever get the "shop" idea for LP's up and running (seems to have been on the drawing board forever) then mission running might look more attractive again for me(and levels 5 and up too ofc). |
MrLobster
Cosmic Odyssey
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2007.05.08 13:15:00 - [ 30]
Originally by: Gefex
Exploration complexes are where the money is in 0.0
Also with a dedicated salvaging/looting alt, you can non-stop chain belts just taking out the battleships, the money CAN be really good. Certainly more profitable than mission bounties and rewards.
The thing that tips the scale are the guaranteed story lines and loyalty point offers. The best comparison in 0.0 ratting is the legendary officer spawn, which is very rare and in no way guaranteed.
I think with the upcoming mission/complex/exp site changes some risk/reward balance will be redressed. But at the moment its all well out of whack.
The only profitable exploration sites are Radars to get Ship Interfaces/Encryption Skills, the T2 Rig BPC's are next to worthless unless you find the T2 rig componants. |
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