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Topic |
RC Denton |
Posted - 2007.03.14 20:54:00 - [ 1]
I'm sure this is close to a trade secret, but what are people finding more profitable when mining in empire space? Scordite etc in a covetor or ice using a mackinaw? |
Lab Technician071548
Astro-Support Services
East India Company |
Posted - 2007.03.14 21:08:00 - [ 2]
It's not so much a trade secret as a simple math problem that is tedious but simple to solve.
Calculate your yield per time unit, figure the refined value, check jita pricing AND volume. Assuming you can sell all that you mine, this will give you a clear answer as to what you should do. |
Ashira Twilight |
Posted - 2007.03.15 19:51:00 - [ 3]
You would be better off mining veldspar over ice. |
Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
|
Posted - 2007.03.15 22:06:00 - [ 4]
 Originally by: Ashira Twilight
You would be better off mining veldspar over ice.
QFT. |
Ramblin Man
Empyreum |
Posted - 2007.03.16 17:48:00 - [ 5]
Originally by: Ashira Twilight
You would be better off mining veldspar over ice.
Seconded, but there are other schools of thought on the subject. |
Ezra
Gallente
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire |
Posted - 2007.03.17 04:02:00 - [ 6]
It's really a matter of how much you can keep your lasers running.
If veld/scord roids of decent size still existed in places a Covetor could easily mine, the answer would be obvious - Covetor wins hands-down over empire ice in ISK/hour.
Unfortunately, mining veld/scord in empire (i.e. anywhere you can actually mine in a Covetor) will result in you restarting lasers extremely often, losing efficiency and sanity.
Ice in a Mackinaw is much less profitable in ISK/hour, but also requires much less effort. With reasonable skills (i.e. high but not maxed out), Mackinaw cycle times are on the order of 5 minutes - which makes ice mining MUCH less of a hassle than "traditional" ore mining.
If you're actively mining - Mine ore.
If you're sort-of mining while watching TV (I'm not talking macromining here - no need to macro ice to mine it semi-AFK due to the long cycle time), ice wins. |
Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
|
Posted - 2007.03.17 05:05:00 - [ 7]
Edited by: Kruugore on 17/03/2007 05:02:17 Originally by: Ezra
Ice in a Mackinaw is much less profitable in ISK/hour, but also requires much less effort. With reasonable skills (i.e. high but not maxed out), Mackinaw cycle times are on the order of 5 minutes - which makes ice mining MUCH less of a hassle than "traditional" ore mining.
Exactly, Ice Mining isn't a profession. It's a passtime. I do ice mine. But when do I do it? While doing the dishes, vaccuming the carpet. It's really just supplemental income. Every 5 minutes just walk up, move the ore into the jet can. Occasionally Jet another can. If you think Mining was boring. Try Ice mining! You'll be blown away by its SUPREME level of boredum! |
Dahn Hott
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Freelancer Alliance |
Posted - 2007.03.17 10:14:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Kruugore
Edited by: Kruugore on 17/03/2007 05:02:17
Originally by: Ezra
While doing the dishes, vaccuming the carpet.
can someone sell me some skillbooks for that, i can't quite grasp the concept  |
Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
|
Posted - 2007.03.17 12:30:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: Dahn Hott
Originally by: Kruugore
Edited by: Kruugore on 17/03/2007 05:02:17
Originally by: Ezra
While doing the dishes, vaccuming the carpet.
can someone sell me some skillbooks for that, i can't quite grasp the concept
HAHA!! |
Ezra
Gallente
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire |
Posted - 2007.03.18 01:18:00 - [ 10]
No skills needed. In fact, the need to do such things is because you have not trained Wife Management up to sufficient levels. |
kaike
Minmatar
Matrix Solutions
StarFleet Federation |
Posted - 2007.03.18 19:55:00 - [ 11]
Who sayas a covertor mines more ice than a mackinaw hasn't read or tested for sure . Read this : http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=305662mackinaw has bonus for ice mining so tell me how can a covertor be better then ? ,coz it can fit 3 lasers ? you would think yes but still not. Anyway read the guide ,also get your self a hulk whitin 48 max you have our buyed the covertor when mining omber ,an other ore would take longer make the math yourself . |
Relyen
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2007.03.18 21:06:00 - [ 12]
Ice mining kills brain cells. |
Daelin Blackleaf
White Rose Society |
Posted - 2007.03.18 23:23:00 - [ 13]
If your looking for isk may I be the first one to say... Raven.
Ice is mined so much by macro's that the value is as said above worse than veld for your time.
...and mining anything but Arkanor took a big hit with the drone regions (which CCP claim is all good) making ratting the clear winner.
One starts to wonder why the "money making profession" makes a lot less isk than the "PvP-ready" profession.
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Ezra
Gallente
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire |
Posted - 2007.03.19 00:03:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: kaike
Who sayas a covertor mines more ice than a mackinaw hasn't read or tested for sure .
No one said that in this thread as far as I can see. The discussion is: Covetor mining "normal" ore vs. Mackinaw mining ice. In short, it's a discussion of which of the two best affordable mining ships is better when doing an activity that it is best at. Covetor is the best at mining normal ore. (Hulk is too expensive at the moment, so it does not count, but this may change within a few weeks since Hulks become inventable on Tuesday). Mackinaw is the best at mining ice. i.e. which is a better goal, Covetor mining ore or Mackinaw mining ice? In my opinion it's a matter of tolerance of stress - Covetor can make more ISK/hour in empire, but is harder to keep at maximum throughput (shorter cycle times, microroids). Mack can park at an ice roid and you can forum ***** for hours while occasionally clicking on your EVE window. |
Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
|
Posted - 2007.03.19 01:27:00 - [ 15]
Originally by: Ezra
In my opinion it's a matter of tolerance of stress - Covetor can make more ISK/hour in empire, but is harder to keep at maximum throughput (shorter cycle times, microroids). Mack can park at an ice roid and you can forum ***** for hours while occasionally clicking on your EVE window.
CCP Should really increase the Size of the roids, if not making them spawn randomly throughout the day. Right now you have to be a sadist to be a North American Timezone miner in empire. By the time the Europeans are done, you have the low value and small roids. |
Effei Gloom
Minmatar
Lazy T2 Holdings
|
Posted - 2007.03.19 02:11:00 - [ 16]
ice roids never pop so overall ice mining is less hassle,
mining ore is theoretically better isk but roids pop before your strip miner finish a cycle and you have to move constandly.
so taking into account the time you use to find roids move... loose ore on not finished cycles, i would say, ice is better. |
Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
|
Posted - 2007.03.19 03:40:00 - [ 17]
Originally by: Effei Gloom
ice roids never pop so overall ice mining is less hassle,
mining ore is theoretically better isk but roids pop before your strip miner finish a cycle and you have to move constandly.
so taking into account the time you use to find roids move... loose ore on not finished cycles, i would say, ice is better.
I like to actually play the game when I'm at the computer. Not sit there for 6 minutes waiting to click/drag heheh. You have never used a mining timer or asteroid scanner. You poor soul, stuck mining ice for a career. |
Ezra
Gallente
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire |
Posted - 2007.03.19 23:05:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Kruugore
Originally by: Effei Gloom
ice roids never pop so overall ice mining is less hassle,
mining ore is theoretically better isk but roids pop before your strip miner finish a cycle and you have to move constandly.
so taking into account the time you use to find roids move... loose ore on not finished cycles, i would say, ice is better.
I like to actually play the game when I'm at the computer. Not sit there for 6 minutes waiting to click/drag heheh.
You have never used a mining timer or asteroid scanner. You poor soul, stuck mining ice for a career.
Those are the times I mission or PvP. When I'm mining, I'm relaxing. :) |
Dynast
Osirians Of Eve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2007.03.20 00:42:00 - [ 19]
Originally by: Effei Gloom
ice roids never pop so overall ice mining is less hassle,
mining ore is theoretically better isk but roids pop before your strip miner finish a cycle and you have to move constandly.
so taking into account the time you use to find roids move... loose ore on not finished cycles, i would say, ice is better.
Doesn't ice mining require either a nearby PoS to refine the ice, or access to a freighter to move ice efficiently? |
Christopher Dalran
Gallente
Deadly Alliance |
Posted - 2007.03.20 14:28:00 - [ 20]
Only mine ice if you NEED it for pos fuel and cant get it any other way. 0.0 ice is ok to mine but as far as empire goes you should only mine it if you require what it yields.
Trit/pyrite prices are still rising so the roids win hands down (just dont mine in an overpopulated system, So somewhere strange and compress your minerals for transport). If you mine somewhere strange you dont have to restart your lasers every other cycle. |
Ezra
Gallente
Calista Industries
Brutally Clever Empire |
Posted - 2007.03.20 17:10:00 - [ 21]
Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Only mine ice if you NEED it for pos fuel and cant get it any other way. 0.0 ice is ok to mine but as far as empire goes you should only mine it if you require what it yields.
Trit/pyrite prices are still rising so the roids win hands down (just dont mine in an overpopulated system, So somewhere strange and compress your minerals for transport). If you mine somewhere strange you dont have to restart your lasers every other cycle.
I can't find anything but microroids even in a 0.5 that averages only 15-20 players in local, with 90% of them being mission runners. |
Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
|
Posted - 2007.03.21 16:19:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Ezra
Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Only mine ice if you NEED it for pos fuel and cant get it any other way. 0.0 ice is ok to mine but as far as empire goes you should only mine it if you require what it yields.
Trit/pyrite prices are still rising so the roids win hands down (just dont mine in an overpopulated system, So somewhere strange and compress your minerals for transport). If you mine somewhere strange you dont have to restart your lasers every other cycle.
I can't find anything but microroids even in a 0.5 that averages only 15-20 players in local, with 90% of them being mission runners.
you are looking in the wrong places. have fun with your ice! :) |
Belloc Slunv
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2007.03.21 17:27:00 - [ 23]
I love mining ice. I can read a book, take care of things for work I couldn't accomplish at work, play guitar, and all other sorts of cool things while I earn my way up the corporate ladder, and fuel poses/capital ships. |
Dynast
Osirians Of Eve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance |
Posted - 2007.03.21 19:05:00 - [ 24]
Originally by: Kruugore
you are looking in the wrong places. have fun with your ice! :)
If you need to go 10-15 jumps from a hub to do your mining, you need to factor in the cost (in time, training, and ISK) of shipping all that material. Not to mention the fact that many miners won't necessarily have a hauler alt, much less the freighter alt needed to efficiently move large chunks of low ends over long distances. My experience as player who plays late Pacific Standard Time (GMT -7), is that at least in Gallente space, all the good 0.5+ stuff near hubs really is kinda mined out by the time I get on. There will be scordite, but only in tiny quantities, one to two cycles of a strip miner. Maybe I've just done a poor job of scouting Essence/Genesis/Sinq Laison. I'll have to have another few looks around. |
Kazzac Elentria |
Posted - 2007.03.21 19:31:00 - [ 25]
Originally by: Ezra
Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Only mine ice if you NEED it for pos fuel and cant get it any other way. 0.0 ice is ok to mine but as far as empire goes you should only mine it if you require what it yields.
Trit/pyrite prices are still rising so the roids win hands down (just dont mine in an overpopulated system, So somewhere strange and compress your minerals for transport). If you mine somewhere strange you dont have to restart your lasers every other cycle.
I can't find anything but microroids even in a 0.5 that averages only 15-20 players in local, with 90% of them being mission runners.
You obviously need to move then. Even with a three covetors, the last system I help strip mine , it took us all night to kill just 3 belts of roids. |
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