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V'astral
Posted - 2007.02.19 14:00:00 - [1]
 

I've been doing a little bit of belt piracy, everything from BC to barges. My question is when is the right time to ransom? I've tried doing it when my opponent is in shields, and I get no response and then get verbally assaulted after they pop, I've tried when they first get to structure, stop firing, and wait for response, nothing, then pop, more verbal assualt about not waiting for the transfer! I don't want a bad rep for not honoring/asking for ransoms but I'm not gonna sit there and wait for their backup to show either! Any suggestions, comments would be appreciated, thanks.

Liu Kaskakka
PAK
Posted - 2007.02.19 14:46:00 - [2]
 

Never, just kill em! They get more angry that way!

Innocent Miner> Why did you shoot me?
Deathdieusuck> Because I can!
Innocent Miner> (><)

Nylian
Amarr
Out of Order
Posted - 2007.02.19 14:51:00 - [3]
 

I'm bad at that. I just do it for the explosion and opening the can of goodies that gets left behind. OH and there's no greater shame than seeing your poor widdle ship that just got blown up by Nyl being salvaged. YARRRR!!

Agent Li
Caldari
CCCP INC
Posted - 2007.02.19 14:57:00 - [4]
 

Only if it's a freighter.

Constantinee
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.02.19 15:30:00 - [5]
 

if its a sheild tanked ship do it when he hits armor and his tank is broken if its an armor tank ship do it when he hits 75% armor. if they dont pay or dont pay your price dont negotiate with em its either your price or their death. i dont ransom that much unless its a teir 3 bs (nice 100 mil right there) or a freighter really. or if i know he has **** on the ship and i just need some moneh.

you can ransom him he pays you let him go. if you catch him in another belt you can try to re ransom him if you want. thats always a kick in the ass and a great rofl if they pay.

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.02.19 15:37:00 - [6]
 

tbh don't worry about ur name and rep really. if u want to blow them up then do so, if u want to ransom them then do so. the only thing i would strongly advise u not to do is to get their money then blow them up as well. that bad m'kay?

also the best time to ransom is when they know for definate that it's over, as in when they are in structure.


DE



Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.02.19 16:08:00 - [7]
 

If its worth at least a mill ransom it unless its a hauler in which case you pop.

If its a shield tanked ship and the guy agrees to a ransom keep shooting every once in a while to keep their shields from getting back up but make sure he knows why your shooting him in your convo Wink

Always ransom Exhumers but always pop t1 barges (gets em all angry and such)

Asatas Torino
Posted - 2007.02.19 17:01:00 - [8]
 

This is why we need an effective bounty-hunting career. It would encourage "pirates" to actually do some pirating rather than just blowing people up and irritating them. You'd actually have to worry about your reputation and dubious sense of honour to avoid getting the **** kicked out of you by professional hunters.
I've got nothing against piracy, I'd be quite entertained if someone tried to ransom me, I'd pay purely for the novelty of someone actually being creative enough to go with the spirit of the game.
As it stands, I've only ever been routinely smashed to bits and podded in a matter of seconds in my defenseless little frigate without a word of acknowledgement... that's rather pointless and boring, gains the person responsible nothing at all, and just wastes another half hour of my life.

Until I see some piracy in action, I will assume that the majority of "pirates" are just bored griefers with nothing better to do than annoy people from the safety of the PC. I reckon the only way to change this is to actually build it into the game mechanics. Reward effective piracy, penalize sloppy random killing.

I commend the OP though, good work giving it a go - if people refuse a reasonable ransom, then they deserve everything they get :-)

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2007.02.19 17:05:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Asatas Torino

As it stands, I've only ever been routinely smashed to bits and podded in a matter of seconds in my defenseless little frigate without a word of acknowledgement... that's rather pointless and boring, gains the person responsible nothing at all, and just wastes another half hour of my life.




No one ransoms frigs except maybe Verone back in the day

Well I rasomed a frig once back before the Pirate Coalition reformat when we were getting owned by CVA but thats another story Confused

Asatas Torino
Posted - 2007.02.19 17:12:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
No one ransoms frigs except maybe Verone back in the day


That's fine... just let em go then. If there was a proper system of piracy and justice in place, a good pirate wouldn't want to unnecessarily lower his security rating/raise his bounty and potentially get more heat from bounty hunters for the sake of pointlessly wasting a passing frigate.

This would all invariably add to the experience of being a pirate anyway, it can't exactly be fun being a pirate when its practically legal and completely without consequence... You'd get a much greater sense of satisfaction when you actually turn a profit from your ill-gotten gains and have the wits to avoid getting taken out by them bounty-hunter types.

Also, people wouldn't whine nearly as much about being podded if they felt they actually had some means to stick it to the pirates that were responsible. Everyone would be happier, everything would be a lot more fun...

Rico Naginata
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.02.19 17:21:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Asatas Torino
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
No one ransoms frigs except maybe Verone back in the day


That's fine... just let em go then. If there was a proper system of piracy and justice in place, a good pirate wouldn't want to unnecessarily lower his security rating/raise his bounty and potentially get more heat from bounty hunters for the sake of pointlessly wasting a passing frigate.

This would all invariably add to the experience of being a pirate anyway, it can't exactly be fun being a pirate when its practically legal and completely without consequence... You'd get a much greater sense of satisfaction when you actually turn a profit from your ill-gotten gains and have the wits to avoid getting taken out by them bounty-hunter types.

Also, people wouldn't whine nearly as much about being podded if they felt they actually had some means to stick it to the pirates that were responsible. Everyone would be happier, everything would be a lot more fun...



,...And everyoen would start transporting their expensive **** in frigates, knowing that the pirates wouldnt engage them.

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.02.19 17:31:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Asatas Torino
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
No one ransoms frigs except maybe Verone back in the day


That's fine... just let em go then. If there was a proper system of piracy and justice in place, a good pirate wouldn't want to unnecessarily lower his security rating/raise his bounty and potentially get more heat from bounty hunters for the sake of pointlessly wasting a passing frigate.



wait til u pop a frig with a centus x hardener in or some other goodies. u may change ur opinion


DE



Snodgey2004
Fortune.
Posted - 2007.02.19 20:26:00 - [13]
 

I personally ransom when I get almost to hull or when I hit it , they can then see they are in the palm of you hand , occasiobally there are some accidents but if that happens just give the ransom back if they have paid already .

I usually convo the victim mid fight as not to alert the rest of local although these days just being in local is enough for people to notice Sad , a quick xxxxx amount yes or no , give em' couple of seconds to answer then another few or 5 to actually pay it , any longer then to hell with them . Sounds long winded but is over pretty quickly , apart from the actual fighting to make them want to pay Very Happy

Na'Kunni
Amarr
Invicta.
Posted - 2007.02.19 20:37:00 - [14]
 

My way is usually, jus as they are about to go into Structure, open up a chat window once they accept, make it clear, that unless certain amount of ISK, is transferred into your wallet by time his structure goes, he goes pop... If he denies the chat. Carry as normal an pop...

This only works if you have a low DPS, but are sure to win the battle.. If you have high DPS and are picking at them fast, drop the heat a lil, an only activate 1/2/3 guns..

Thats my way anyways

T'Renn
Silver Snake Enterprise
Posted - 2007.02.20 04:57:00 - [15]
 

Ransoming is ftw as often as possible. If you're lucky and get a lucky ECM jam you can bluff a ransom and they might pay. Once I came into help a corpie out who was in his wolf fighting a tempest. I was in my thorax with 5xec-600s. I let those bad boys loose and they got a jam. Convoed him and he accepted the ransom. Scooped my drones and we left - I never even had to worry about breaking his tank.

Pod ransoming is where it's at in the end. Big iskies.

Kojee
Xinegu Acquisitions
Posted - 2007.02.20 09:12:00 - [16]
 

Ransom anything...except newb frigates; the trick is to come up with a reasonable price.

Be sure to stick to your word though...I hate pirates that take a carebear's money and kill them anyway.

Midori Sakura
Posted - 2007.02.20 09:50:00 - [17]
 

Personally I ransome everything I hit unless its a even or a fari fight.

Meaning I dont go around popping or ransoming t1 frigs ratting in low sec, but I do with cruisers and bcs for sure !

Newbs pay alot ALOT to keep there ships alive :P even if its just a normal cruiser, I useally let them drop into 75% hull even lower if I dont see any npcs around and then fire up a convo ask for special ransom, give them 30 secs to transfere if not in my wallet after 30 sec say bye in the convo close it and kill him, all his smacks dousnt matter since yougave him a time limit he didnt do it within the time limit poof his ship go's :P

In 15 mins I managed to ransom a hurricane, thorax and a rupture for the total of 100 million isk...

as I sayd newbs pay ALOT :P and even better if you manage to set up a deal "I will never shoot you again if you pay me some sum of isk" Useally something with in the reach of there wallet but reasonably high, Ive managed to get more then 50 mill from one guys corp with this, why would I do this.. well I like to travel, I dont stick around the same low sec system again and again, and well same with newbs taht get shot so the changes that you will meet him again are very low meaning take the isk you can and leave him alone :P you probly wond encounter him again in anything worth more then he payd you not to shot at him for.

So yeah ransoming is a art you will learn, as stated before in the post, if the fight is acctually even, going badly for me, going badly for him, going well for both, you arent sure who is going to win and then boom you get the upper hand I usealy just blow them up for the sportmanship :P

Hope this helped thanks

Jex Jast
Go for the booty
Posted - 2007.02.20 12:08:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Asatas Torino

As it stands, I've only ever been routinely smashed to bits and podded in a matter of seconds in my defenseless little frigate without a word of acknowledgement... that's rather pointless and boring, gains the person responsible nothing at all, and just wastes another half hour of my life.




No one ransoms frigs except maybe Verone back in the day

Well I rasomed a frig once back before the Pirate Coalition reformat when we were getting owned by CVA but thats another story Confused


I ransom frigs...

Well I did last time I caught one. A merlin, I made 300k. I believe that all pilots are entitled to the same victimization experience.

Ransomed a Cormorant last week for 500k...just goes to show, not so much profitable, but it's fair to the victim. Besides, I don't like looting, nor do I like huge sec hits unless I know it'll be worth it.

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.02.20 12:22:00 - [19]
 

Never really ransom, unless the person talks smack, but I always find their pod being scrambled an NOSed helps with capicitor so I can repair myself quicker XD. Than I let them go on their merry way without their ship.

Cinders Khalaris
The Movement
Posted - 2007.02.20 13:20:00 - [20]
 

I dont know why but somehow my guns always go off before I even think "ransom".


 

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