Posted - 2007.02.19 12:19:00 - [211]

 

Edited by: Kaganis Warmonkey on 19/02/2007 12:20:44
Edited by: Kaganis Warmonkey on 19/02/2007 12:19:07

Originally by: James Duar

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Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey

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Yes, but without a password, that shield offers almost no protection. My understanding was enemies could come & go through it at will, free to nick ships & bump people out*.

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No, this is wrong. W/O a password the shield only allows in people who you have standings set to.

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Without a password, the force field is INACTIVE.

That's written in black & white on the POS management panel. Go look.

Go test it. I did. I had to set a password to eject some ships that I didn't have standings to. Without a password, they were happily sitting in my corps POS bubble.

Looking at it another way, No password = blank password. Default POS password on ships = blank password. So they can cruise on in with impunity.

Worried about the password getting out? Have your CEO set it & never tell anyone. It's not like anyone in the corp or alliance needs to know it to get in & out. Nor do you need to know the old password to set a new one, you just need the right corp role(s).

EDIT: Though until they hit the shield, the guns will shoot at them based on corp standings, which might explain why it doesn't happen more often.

Posted - 2007.02.19 12:30:00 - [213]

 

Originally by: Frug

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WHY was only one carrier affected? What about -everybody- else inside the POS? Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't everyone else soon start getting pwned?

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If you belong to the same corp as the POS, you're safe even without a password.

If you belong to a different corp than the POS, even if you're in the same alliance, you're only safe with a POS password set.

Posted - 2007.02.19 12:48:00 - [215]

 

Originally by: Gnulpie

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Or at least that is what common sense tell us.

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"EVE" and "common sense" don't compute together ... ...

Posted - 2007.02.19 13:02:00 - [217]

 

Originally by: Gnulpie

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Edited by: Gnulpie on 19/02/2007 12:39:10

Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey

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If you belong to the same corp as the POS, you're safe even without a password.

If you belong to a different corp than the POS, even if you're in the same alliance, you're only safe with a POS password set.

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That is utter BS!

Can someone think of anything more idiotic??

How should any forcefield work like this? A missile flies towards the forcefield. It either should get blocked or not! What does it matter if it aims at a structure, boarded ship, unboarded ship, friendly ship or a jelly pudding? It shouldn't matter at all.

Or at least that is what common sense tell us.

CCP, go and fix this exploit feature!

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Exactly - if this was not the intended behavior then the graphical effect should not look like it is and there should be no bubble, just an area where if you put your ship the forcefield appears if it's supposed to since that's what it's effectively doing.

Posted - 2007.02.19 13:36:00 - [219]

 

What a pile of c**p.








btw I cancelled my subscription today.
Good Bye

Posted - 2007.02.19 13:45:00 - [221]

 

Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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I don't think you have it right, mate.

But, let's try this then...

1. Why was I *never* able to target anything/anyone inside POS shields, on a POS that has no password set, and about 95% of ships inside shields were not (neither was I) from the corp that anchored POS?

2. If POS w/o password allows "outsiders" to shoot at ships inside POS (that are not in the same corp as POS owners), why did me entering the shields always break the lock of hostiles outside shields? Actually, I can now remember that I was doing this exact thing in C9N, when dreads were sieging POSes and I'd fool around in frigate, coming in and out of shields all the time (and they'd lose lock). After "Revelations" was released.

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Are you 100% sure they had a password set? Easiest explanation is someone told you they didn't have a password, when they meant you didn't need a password (Allow corp & allow alliance switched on).

If they didn't have a password, then: No idea, sorry mate. That was just what the GM's reply someone posted earlier boils down to. Not really tried shooting into bubbles out for myself. If the GM's wrong, then you might want to do some testing & point it out to them.

*Shrug* POS's are really complex & as buggy as hell. Always have been. Guess POS issues stopped surprising me a while ago.

Still surprised people weren't setting POS passwords as standard though. When we figured that one out a while back we always thought we were well behind the curve.

Posted - 2007.02.19 14:06:00 - [223]

 

This thread is so fun. Feature

If I tried to sell bugs to my clients as features I would be fired and sued until I'm 250 years old. Why don't you dedicate a page in the manual for it? Oh yeah, YOU DON'T HAVE A MANUAL! It might be becouse you are clueless about how your game works.

Keep 'em comming CCP, you are brightening up my day with your innability to handle clusterf...s

P.S. I am really having fun reading this thread. I will make this a mandatory read for my team at work so they know how not to behave towards customers... EVER!

Posted - 2007.02.19 14:13:00 - [225]

 

Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey

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Are you 100% sure they had a password set? Easiest explanation is someone told you they didn't have a password, when they meant you didn't need a password (Allow corp & allow alliance switched on).

If they didn't have a password, then: No idea, sorry mate. That was just what the GM's reply someone posted earlier boils down to. Not really tried shooting into bubbles out for myself. If the GM's wrong, then you might want to do some testing & point it out to them.

*Shrug* POS's are really complex & as buggy as hell. Always have been. Guess POS issues stopped surprising me a while ago.

Still surprised people weren't setting POS passwords as standard though. When we figured that one out a while back we always thought we were well behind the curve.

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I know mate, I wish your answer was right, and it was all that simple

Yes, I am fairly sure many POSes had no password set (unless every POS manager was lying, which I am sure will be determined, by alt squads, to be the case ). Hell, I guess some of them (POS managers, not alt squads :) read eve-o forums, so they can say for themselves.

Well, at least the one I ended up 'managing' when C9N was failing didn't have password set. And people (from other corps) were able to get back in and 'break the lock' from dreads.

When you think about it, considering what GM/devs told us now, BoB could have petitioned people for haxoring, since getting inside shields was breaking their lock. We were actually exploiting \o/

Naughty naughty POSes

Posted - 2007.02.19 14:54:00 - [227]

 

Originally by: Kessa Nova

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Originally by: Frug

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Thank you to the ISS member for clarifying some key details.

But something is strange to me. If this whole thing is due to no password being set, thus allowing the BoB guys to attack the ships inside...

WHY was only one carrier affected? What about -everybody- else inside the POS? Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't everyone else soon start getting pwned?

CCP needs to give a good official response to this and Arkanon should be the guy to do it, no?

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Because, this case (as seen in the Fraps), is as I said, nothing to do with targetting people inside the bubble.
It is down only to missiles continuing to follow legitimately targeted ships inside POS bubbles to deliver their damage, as so as to not nerf them compared with direct fire weapons.

This thread has been competely taken over by the fanatics who want to see cheats everywhere, and they won't let rationality stand in their way.

It is a pretty sad reflection upon the state of the community.
McCarthy would be proud.

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Ok Kessa Nova, just for the record.

You claim to be not good at math, so it kind of makes sense that you entirely dismiss all calculations about missile flight time by rhetoric alone (and relative speed, as already pointed out, does not change the final conclusion). You pull figures out of your rear (70km/110km) only to revert to propaganda as soon as your face some mathematical calculations. Your argumentation is “sort of like cotton candy — it melts on contact.”

Just to give you a recap:

- we have missiles hitting a carrier 1:47 into the movie, with several other missiles being in space at that time. It is safe to say that the missiles hit the carrier 120 seconds AFTER he has entered the forcefield. Impossible as pointed out at this distance even with the worst possible and unlikely combination of skills.

-we have missiles launched at 1:14 after the carrier has entered the forcefield. And no, these missiles aren't just some display bug like you want us to believe... At 1:30 you can clearly see that they are exactly where they should be.

So basically, your "simple and easy version" is crap. You keep referring to Chribba, yet ignore that he did never draw the same conclusions that you seem to be that willing to jump to - not with reference to that video. There is no independent confirmation of your version.

Meanwhile, in the thread, all your speculations turn out to be false as a GM reveals a very simple solution that explains all the strange phenomena observed in the video. As this once more seems to indicate BoB profiting from a glitch or undocumented feature, it is unacceptable to most of the community unless followed up by a reimbursement to D2.

So yes, most people in here will happily be your personal McCarthy - because you and your debating style represent communist Orwellian doublespeak at its finest.

Posted - 2007.02.19 15:19:00 - [229]

 

So the powers that be call this "as intended"?

They forgot to tell everybody else. I see bob has been using it though. How conventient.

Pretty weak CCP/bob.

Shamis

Posted - 2007.02.19 15:33:00 - [231]

 

Shield should protect everything inside it. Whatever it is, from whoever it is. Shield should stop all kinds of damage, no matter when and from who it was fired and no matter at who it was fired upon.

So missiles fired when ship was outside the shield should just explode when they reach shield. Or do they have the 'Pass shield, collect 100 ISK' card? If it doesn't act that way, then it is not a shield.

However it could be a "multiphasic sub-atomic non-penetratable neutronian barrier" which works just like POS shield works now.

Posted - 2007.02.19 15:52:00 - [233]

 

POSes are the flagpoles which territory is captured with. They are broken. They work in awkward, undocumented, buggy and lag-inducing ways. The player made story content is written with POSes. CCP should really really be revamping and fixing the current instruments of gameplay instead of adding all the bloat that's on the horizon.

It's really getting ridiculous. Most petition responses I read indicate that the players know much more about the game than the GMs do.

Posted - 2007.02.19 16:18:00 - [237]

 

Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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POSes are the flagpoles which territory is captured with. They are broken. They work in awkward, undocumented, buggy and lag-inducing ways. The player made story content is written with POSes.

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Qft.

Tbh the second best thing ccp could do for Eve is to remove the sovereignty part from pos and invent another land-grabing system that doesn't involve outblobing the enemy. That would be the second best, the best thing being actually enforcing the Eula and come down on those that pervert game mechanics and gain an advantage where were never supposed to let you gain one.

Posted - 2007.02.19 16:21:00 - [239]

 

I lost a BS inside a large POS in ooyz; when I was 500m from tower (on approach). CCP said it could not be true. Of course it was. So some code hole does "live" and since ccp says I am lying we can us it when we find it.