Posted - 2007.02.19 04:19:00 - [182]

 

Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/02/2007 04:21:54
I don't wonder, why BoB knew it. I only wonder, why it seems that almost noone else knew it. It's seems strange that noone else has discovered it by coincidence. Quite disappointed of us.

On the other hand, I've never set up a pos without force field password. Setting it is the first thing I do after anchoring the tower. Can't say why, except that I felt I had to, when I was spotting that configuration point for the first time.
And I don't want to allow everyone to enter my pos of course or enemies sneaking around it.

Posted - 2007.02.19 04:36:00 - [184]

 

Originally by: Qu'ut Nez

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Edited by: Qu''ut Nez on 19/02/2007 04:26:23
The password protected shield will stop bullets and sensors. The unprotected shield will not stop bullets and sensors, but it will you are part of the alliance.

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If passwords make things top bullets...

I WANT A PASSWORD ON MY SHIPS!!!

Posted - 2007.02.19 05:12:00 - [186]

 

This is a feature? Oh, please explain how this is a feature. I'd love to hear the "reasoning".

Pathetic.

Posted - 2007.02.19 06:04:00 - [188]

 

Originally by: King Seikima

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**** CCP, **** this game. Canceled 4 accounts.

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Dont cancel them,terminate them all 4 accounts.
Cancelling says nothing you can always reactivate so be a man and terminate them.

Can i have youre stuff plz?

Posted - 2007.02.19 07:17:00 - [190]

 

Seems to me if a certain faction is caught exploiting an undocument game mechanics is classed as a feature,

If any other faction are caught they are classed as exploiter and treated accordingly.

It still is adventageous so have friends in high places even though there is no outward affiliation seen.

Way to go DEV/GM/CCP's sinking to even lower lameness

Posted - 2007.02.19 07:24:00 - [192]

 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 19/02/2007 07:25:25

Originally by: w0rmy

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Originally by: Jiekon

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HELLOOOOOOO XXXXXEEEEENNNNNDDDDIIIIIEEEEE

I have tried to reproduce the exploit of being able to target someone while they are inside a POS forcefield with no success so unless someone can provide an exact duplication of the exploit that works every time, theres not much i can do to reproduce it.

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HELLO CPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A dev says its an exploit
A GM says its a feature


Can we please have someone make up their mind? Then stick to it.

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Almost certanly different starting data: the Dev is trying wiht the POS "correctly" set up, password, target of the same corp of the POS, the GM has looked the logs and seen that the target ship was from a different corporation and the POS had no password.

That is why in the bug reports every bit of data is relevant.

Please, to the people interested only in flaming CCP or BoB move in the Coalition forum, that is your "fighting" ground (0.0 of the forums).
Here we are in high sec forum. The basic argument is interesting and worth analizing, your post are irrilevant to it.

Posted - 2007.02.19 07:55:00 - [194]

 

Originally by: Jiekon

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From testing, this happens by default, ship is launched from an assembly array (or whatever) and it is targetable if the starbase does not have a password set to it.

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Where, exactly, is this documented?

During ASCN/BoB war, many of us spent countless hours sitting at POSes. Out of pure boredom, I used to go outside shields, and do silly things. Like trying to get a lock on corp mates, alliance mates, structures. I have never managed to get a lock on anything (including pilotless haulers, backup ships, cynoships, etc).

POSes were not from my corp, and they had no password either (at that time, many people were under impression that if enemy knows the POS shield password, he could get inside shields - so passwords were not set, and some allies had to hang outside shields).

I used to watch BoB dreads siege a POS, then I'd move outside the shields, see them lock me and citadel torps would come my way. Torps that were shot before I re-entered shields would hit me even after I was inside shields, but it was obvious they'd lose a lock after I got back into shields, since no more torps would come my way. That worked as expected, always.

However, BoB managed to gank me (and few others) inside POS shields, on December 16th 2006, in 0OY.

Unfortunatelly, I was too stunned to take screenshots while they were shooting us (I couldn't beleive what I was seeing, tbh), but here is one that shows the POS afterwards:

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0702/2006.12.16.04.22.09.jpg

One of the wrecks was exactly next to the tower, guy was 0m from it - 2 ships are next to the wreck, but you'll see it if you look closer. I also *think* he was from the same corp that anchored tower (more details were on ASCN forums, but they're gone now; it's either that wreck, or one of others). How did he die, then, if his corp anchored tower?

Is this a change (bug, basically) that has been introduced with Revelations, and now you're trying to make it look like a 'design feature'?

Noone has EVER heard of the explanation you are giving us now. Do we need to be buddies with devs, and have them in corps/alliances, in order to find out about these 'features'?

Or you just turn an exploit into a 'feature' when it suits BoD?

Someone was correct that people will now have trouble beleiving CCP, no matter what CCP says. Considering the explanation you've given us now, no wonder people will have trouble trusting you

"Revelations" name was, certainly, very appropriate.

Posted - 2007.02.19 08:28:00 - [196]

 

I'm happy not to have hit 0.0 yet.
If so I would be pretty ****ed off now.

Posted - 2007.02.19 09:16:00 - [198]

 

Thank you to the ISS member for clarifying some key details.

But something is strange to me. If this whole thing is due to no password being set, thus allowing the BoB guys to attack the ships inside...

WHY was only one carrier affected? What about -everybody- else inside the POS? Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't everyone else soon start getting pwned?

CCP needs to give a good official response to this and Arkanon should be the guy to do it, no?

Posted - 2007.02.19 09:57:00 - [200]

 

F0cktardstik!!!

Are you devs really loosing it lately? If you can't fix it, declare it an exploit, because it is obviously absolutely irrational!

Posted - 2007.02.19 10:25:00 - [202]

 

Weak, weak excuse on CCP side. Its clear exploit, was already treated as such previosly by GM's... Ya, one word left - BOD.

Posted - 2007.02.19 11:00:00 - [204]

 

Originally by: Frug

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Thank you to the ISS member for clarifying some key details.

But something is strange to me. If this whole thing is due to no password being set, thus allowing the BoB guys to attack the ships inside...

WHY was only one carrier affected? What about -everybody- else inside the POS? Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't everyone else soon start getting pwned?

CCP needs to give a good official response to this and Arkanon should be the guy to do it, no?

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Because, this case (as seen in the Fraps), is as I said, nothing to do with targetting people inside the bubble.
It is down only to missiles continuing to follow legitimately targeted ships inside POS bubbles to deliver their damage, as so as to not nerf them compared with direct fire weapons.

This thread has been competely taken over by the fanatics who want to see cheats everywhere, and they won't let rationality stand in their way.

It is a pretty sad reflection upon the state of the community.
McCarthy would be proud.

Posted - 2007.02.19 11:11:00 - [206]

 

Originally by: Kessa Nova

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Originally by: Frug

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Thank you to the ISS member for clarifying some key details.

But something is strange to me. If this whole thing is due to no password being set, thus allowing the BoB guys to attack the ships inside...

WHY was only one carrier affected? What about -everybody- else inside the POS? Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't everyone else soon start getting pwned?

CCP needs to give a good official response to this and Arkanon should be the guy to do it, no?

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Because, this case (as seen in the Fraps), is as I said, nothing to do with targetting people inside the bubble.
It is down only to missiles continuing to follow legitimately targeted ships inside POS bubbles to deliver their damage, as so as to not nerf them compared with direct fire weapons.

This thread has been competely taken over by the fanatics who want to see cheats everywhere, and they won't let rationality stand in their way.

It is a pretty sad reflection upon the state of the community.
McCarthy would be proud.

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Pice of bull****. I was there, and I had effects on and I saw that dreads was firing with lasers at that carrier inside bubble.
The guy who fraps it didnt had effects on (to decrease lag in feel battles).

Posted - 2007.02.19 11:14:00 - [208]

 

Originally by: Kessa Nova

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Because, this case (as seen in the Fraps), is as I said, nothing to do with targetting people inside the bubble.
It is down only to missiles continuing to follow legitimately targeted ships inside POS bubbles to deliver their damage, as so as to not nerf them compared with direct fire weapons.

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No it's very clear that the carrier was being shot at while inside the POS including missiles leaving the dreads while the carriers was sitting in one spot. Watch it again but take off your official Band of Developers xray glasses first.

Posted - 2007.02.19 12:09:00 - [210]

 

This is getting out off hand.