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Topic |
KillmAll187
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2007.01.11 03:13:00 - [ 31]
 Originally by: Gamble Dakota
I haven't run any of these, but is the Myrm's tank and damage really that impressive?
On my Drake I'm picking 13k+ shields with a massive recharge rate and great resists on my Passive, and with all 8 launcher slots filled and dual BCS II's and great heavy missile skills I do scary damage against any cruiser or larger.
Assuming I pack an X5 web as opposed to my last hardener would that be better spent on keeping the Myrm still or picking off the drones?
Target painter? TP Drones?
I just came back (left before Rev.) and I've yet to encounter a Myrm but the Drake is ferocious for PVE. I'm hesitant to engage in pvp with it until I hear more though.
Let's just say I do close to 900 dps in a gank-setup Myrm. I don't think youll be tanking that for very long. |
cflux
Caldari
FinFleet
IT Alliance |
Posted - 2007.01.11 03:25:00 - [ 32]
Originally by: Mathias Orsen
at 500m combat... If the myrmidon can run it's tank, it can tank anything the drake puts at it. My myrmidon has no problem tanking HAMs supported by BCUs.
Most cases against a decent pvp drake, two drakes are tankable if using Heavy missiles. Both using HAMs can bring the tank down slowly... then again, some myrmidons are tanked better than most.
As for a passive tank being able to beat a nosf myrm... Passive tank is to weak to hold up against 5 ogre IIs.
5x Ogre I's with low drone skills would be tankable with easy though... but we can mention the drake pilot as one with next to no skills for shields also.
Guess When It comes down to it... Drake VS Myrm when both pilots have max skills for the ship they are in..... Myrmidon wins.
I'd put my drake on the card table for a dual that thinks otherwise.
These are 100% similar to my own findings from sisi and real tranq pvp experience with the drake. Listen to that guy, he knows what he is talking about. If we are talking competant pilots with pvp experience, drake has no way in hell beating myrmidon, expect in a comedy setup made just to beat them. Passive or active dosn't mean a thing in this fight. If the myrmi pilot knows how to scoop&relaunch, gets to 1k orbit and such, the drake pilot is dead. In a record time. Maybe, if drake had one more medslot, giving it an active web and few more slowslots to get rid of the sluggish manuverability of caldari, it might be a match for myrmidon. But now at is stands, drake is good in gangs, again Caldari is not your race if you want to fly alone. But since most of EVEO thinks drake as new wave of caldari solo PVP, there is no way in hell we can hope drake to be actually decked out to fulfill that role. (and this is coming from a guy who has ganked t2 tanked ravens npcing with a drake, solo. But to give you the blunt damn truth, thats doable in a god damn caracal) |
Galen Silas
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.01.11 05:35:00 - [ 33]
I have seen a few ideas about shooting drones to get em out of the way, just as easy to dock em up real quick and redeploy. Imo just get close and do your magic, and while the drake focus's on your drones redock em and then redeploy, and if he is smart he wont bother with it that much realizing its no use. There are possibilities that a drake can beat a myrm just like a taranis can kill a brutix, just some advice, i use the myrm exactly what is was intended for.  |
Gamble Dakota
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL |
Posted - 2007.01.11 05:52:00 - [ 34]
Assuming a 900DPS gank setup though, your tank can't be present, and with that sort of power I'm assuming exceptionally short ranged weapons, making you extremely vulnerable to that X5 web. Of course, I could be horribly wrong and you could still jank me from 10k away.
My tank holds fairly well against unassisted Ogre II's (on a fellow with decent drone skills), but I have no idea on what a myrm tank is like so I can't say if it's long enough.
I won't be taking the Drake out solo for quite a while, and not till after I'm long comfortable with it and can afford to replace it easily, so for now I'll take your word for it. |
pumkinlumpkin |
Posted - 2007.02.18 19:04:00 - [ 35]
Hmmm I am not going to tell ya mysetup but i can tank a carrier with 10 level 4 fighters. People need to play around with the setup more on the drake |
Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
Everto Rex Regis |
Posted - 2007.02.18 19:52:00 - [ 36]
Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 18/02/2007 19:51:44
Drake.
Myrm pilot relies on their drones for dps, once those are gone he is royally screwed. You can scoop drones and redeploy that doesn't mean it will work, remember you need DPS to kill your target. Even with the nos on the drake, a good pilot will have great shield recharge time and will run an injector and inject only when he needs to. Put it this way, against minmatar and caldari pilots nos boats are pretty much ineffective. |
Drazin DawnTreader
Cutthroat Mercenary Corp |
Posted - 2007.02.18 19:56:00 - [ 37]
I tend to agree.
The Drakes 100% passive tank setups make for one hell of a nut to crack.
1 Myrm alone couldn't do it.
We're talking 250hp/sec shield regen and 60-80% resists.
And now with SPR II's ingame...
Of course -that- drake isnt gonna kill anything either.
I will say that the Majority of the time, a Myrm will crush a Drake.
Then there are times where the Myrm just cant break the Drakes tank and gives up or runs out of ammo trying.
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Inquis Eisenhorn
Viziam
|
Posted - 2007.02.18 22:21:00 - [ 38]
Hasnt anyone heard of a passive nos drake? |
Lucifer Fellblade
Evocati.
|
Posted - 2007.02.18 22:53:00 - [ 39]
Originally by: Inquis Eisenhorn
Hasnt anyone heard of a passive nos drake?
And how exactly does that kill anything? |
Feng Schui
Minmatar
Cruor Evertum Dominicus
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Posted - 2007.02.18 23:06:00 - [ 40]
it saddens me that i haven't killed anything yet in my drake.. though, i've only been in 2 fights, both times going against people that are 3+ years my senior.
it did take them 30min+ to kill me. (one was a 1v1, other time was a 1v2). (Drake btw...) |
Slash Harnet
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
|
Posted - 2007.02.18 23:22:00 - [ 41]
Are TechII heavies a necessary part of a PVP myrmi?
I can only use TechII mediums, so I've been flying with mostly
5x warrior II
5x valkyrie II
2x berserker I |
Tulisin Dragonflame |
Posted - 2007.02.19 01:55:00 - [ 42]
What I want to see is how well a PvP Myrm that tackles for sentry drones would work. If you're up close and personal and your sentry drones are 30 km (gardes) to 80 + km (whatever the long range ones are) out, they wouldn't be able to be killed. |
Malthros Zenobia |
Posted - 2007.02.19 02:06:00 - [ 43]
Myrmidon wins. It can damp the Drake and just recall drones every 30 seconds or so making it impossible for the Drake to lock it. A couple NOS ensures that the Drake has no cap and must be 100% passive to have any hopes of tanking, and if they use FoFs, which won't be possible if they use HAMLs, then you'll just have to micromanage your drones, instead of watching TV as they die. |
Maeltstome
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
|
Posted - 2007.02.19 02:15:00 - [ 44]
read the Myrm's bonus - doesnt say anything about a damage bonus to Hybrids.
full rack of medium T2 projs and you'll mince a drake, hands down. Stick on 2nos if you like - but and good Myrm pilot will dual Rep imo. Include bonus's, and you got one sick tank with some sick DPS on T2 drones. (of which you should have 15).
P.S.
Passive drake in solo pvp - what where you thinking. |
ChalSto
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation |
Posted - 2007.02.19 02:52:00 - [ 45]
Myrmidon NOS-Myrmidon is laughable. But try her with Blasters. A Blaster-Myrmidon can take out Ravens with ease. I have no problem with that. Ions II with Ogre II = win against all BC. Even multiple cruisers are no problem. I ran into a 6 man UNL gang yesterday, all cruisers. Well.......it wasnt their day I guess.....  |
Franconis
Gallente
|
Posted - 2007.02.19 09:21:00 - [ 46]
Some myrmidon setups can break a drake's tank, some can't. That depends on how the two ships are setup. I usually go for a neut setup on my myrmidons, so any active tanks are boned. I won't be the guy to break a passive drake tank, but there's no way a drake will ever beat my myrmidon 1v1. |
JTKevin89
The Scope
|
Posted - 2007.02.19 09:26:00 - [ 47]
myrmidon will win 99999 out of 100000
i hav killed many noobie and experienced drakes... tranq and sisi. the only drake that didnt die as quick was a nano drake >.< lol
it done 2.3 k and my drones were maybe hitting every 2-3rd shot=[ but i managed to kill it with hammer II's 0.o so BC 5 + any drone = wtfbbqtime! |
HellsRazor
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2007.02.19 11:06:00 - [ 48]
Edited by: HellsRazor on 19/02/2007 11:02:34
I will kill any BC 1 v 1 my DRAKE t2 setup.
skill for skill.. DRAKE will win.
But people are right caldari a gang race we need mid slot to tank so its not practical to fit web mwd tackle in the shield tanking slots.. thats like making armour tankers using lows for web scram and mwd only.. but i WOULD fit a tackle mod on my DRAKE and own all BC t2 fitted except those with insane sp. :p but sp for sp.. ;p good times |
HellsRazor
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2007.02.19 11:18:00 - [ 49]
and the dude talking about dampeners on myr.... :) ok ill eat you and your drones with fof. :) but tbh i dont think id need them. |
HellsRazor
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD. |
Posted - 2007.02.19 11:19:00 - [ 50]
Originally by: ChalSto
Myrmidon
NOS-Myrmidon is laughable.
But try her with Blasters. A Blaster-Myrmidon can take out Ravens with ease. I have no problem with that. Ions II with Ogre II = win against all BC. Even multiple cruisers are no problem.
I ran into a 6 man UNL gang yesterday, all cruisers. Well.......it wasnt their day I guess.....
run into me. |
JTKevin89
The Scope
|
Posted - 2007.02.19 11:57:00 - [ 51]
i would luv to run into a drake that puts up a proper fight ^^ cos right now i have ceased to find one in solo or gang warfare... and drone intf 5 and gallante dronespec 5 and BC 5 will pwn mostly all drakes hands down. |
Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
|
Posted - 2007.02.19 19:02:00 - [ 52]
Originally by: Greyshadow
So the crunch to this topic is...
Drake (Active) vs Myrmidon (Nos) = Myrmidon
Drake (Passive) vs Myrmidon (Nos) = Drake (if you take out the drones)
Drake (Passive) vs Myrmidon (Dmg setup) = 50/50
Drake (Active) vs Myrmidon (Dmg setup) = 50/50
Seems to be what I understand from comments so far.
That seems about right. I fly a Myrm and my buddy flies a Drake, and we've both tried different setups against each other. FYI invuld fields are bad for a passive Drake when fighting a Nosmyrm. |
Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
Everto Rex Regis |
Posted - 2007.02.19 19:06:00 - [ 53]
Most of you have yet to fly into a real pvper it seems. Drake is a really nasty ship to fight against. |
Franconis
Gallente
|
Posted - 2007.02.19 19:09:00 - [ 54]
Originally by: HellsRazor
and the dude talking about dampeners on myr.... :) ok ill eat you and your drones with fof. :) but tbh i dont think id need them.
FoF missiles only reach as far as your targeting range. If you are damped down past 10km targeting range, you'll never hit the myrmidon. You may hit his drones, but that's why most myrmidon pilots scoop and redelpoy drones that take damage to recharge their shields. Your drake is a sitting duck. |
xenodia
Gallente
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
ORPHANS OF EVE |
Posted - 2007.02.20 00:26:00 - [ 55]
Edited by: xenodia on 20/02/2007 00:22:24 Originally by: Captin ShadowHawk
Which ship has the edge in pvp?
If the myrmidon is medium blaster fitted, he wins. If the myrmidon is Nos fitted, and drake is passive tanked and has FoF, Drake wins. If Myrmidon is Nos Fitted, and drake is active tanked or doesnt have FoF, myrmidon probably wins but skills/luck will decide it. |
xenodia
Gallente
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
ORPHANS OF EVE |
Posted - 2007.02.20 00:29:00 - [ 56]
Originally by: Franconis
FoF missiles only reach as far as your targeting range. If you are damped down past 10km targeting range, you'll never hit the myrmidon. You may hit his drones, but that's why most myrmidon pilots scoop and redelpoy drones that take damage to recharge their shields. Your drake is a sitting duck.
Myth. Or its been changed. Ive had a raven hit me with FoF cruise missiles at 40k in my arazu... while he had a 10k lock range. |
Crellion
Parental Control
Merciless. |
Posted - 2007.02.20 02:13:00 - [ 57]
Edited by: Crellion on 20/02/2007 02:09:41
A nicely set up passive Drake is the most dangerous pve-er to gank (in tech I under BS category) because it takes long enough to kill for hope of reinforcements. However I have only once or twice fought really passive Drakes that were profficient (passive hardeners with high comp skills). Mostly Drakes are a pushover.
As for a 1v1 fight ... I wouldnt take a Drake against any BC 1v1 because if I win he warps out if I lose I d die. Cant tackle and tank. You could of course use racial jammers but we are talking with no prearranged enemy here...
Myrmidon is a better pvp ship thatn the Drake in practical terms. |
teth'eala
Caldari
Grey Scribes Inc
|
Posted - 2007.02.20 02:23:00 - [ 58]
i honestly think most of the time it will be stalemate, i've went up against a couple ishtars in my drake before and they simply didn't know what to do when the first thing i did was pop their drones, same goes for myrm, if the drake pilot has half of a mind he's going to pop those drones as fast as he can, chances are that myrm wasn't thinking that he needed more firepower and is going to be bringing a ton of nos which isn't going to be breaking any tank. |
EPSILON DELTA |
Posted - 2007.02.20 03:31:00 - [ 59]
Edited by: EPSILON DELTA on 20/02/2007 03:29:11
Drake will win, if you count win as the enemy running away
first you can passive tank a drake equivilant to an XL booster running non-stop with rigs.
second, nos is useless on passive drake with good compensation skills and BC5 running passive hardners
third, all drake needs to do is pop the drones, which if you tried yourself is quite easy if its heavy drones and slightly harder if medium, and trust me, it will kill those drones long before they break his tank.
so now the mym has no drones and nos dosnt work, what does it do? either sit there and see if his tank holds or run, since it now has no means of attack whatsoever.
having said that, if the mym knows what his facing and uses blasters + his drones, that's a whole different story. |
Maeltstome
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
|
Posted - 2007.02.20 06:37:00 - [ 60]
Will people shut up about "nos is usless on a passive drake". If your flying a passive drake in a 1on1 situation then you need to get a clue.
If i thought a drake was passive tanking, i'd nibble away the first 50% with guns then put in the drones to do the real dps and smash through the peak regen, giving them less time to be popped.
And oh yea - ever came across a myrm with 2 remote armor reps 4 medium nos and 5 heavy drones? Hell even a medium cap booster and 4 guns would do. Good luck killing that before it eats you in your 'passive drake' |
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